(Lore question) what's the difference between Chaos Daemons and Chaos Warriors? + viability as a faction?

[The Toast of Kyiv]

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I've seen people say that there may be an entirely new faction in WH3 which consists entirely of Chaos Daemons. (or the Daemons of Chaos, whatever you prefer) Now i don't know much about Warhammer lore but Chaos Daemons just consist of different entities which are summoned in the name of the 4 Chaos Gods right?.

I'm having trouble thinking how they would be organized to form any sort of "faction" (more like a tribe/horde) if that's true. They're just a bunch of monsters. No leadership, no structured armies, anything like that. So would it really make any sense to have the Chaos Daemons as a seperate faction in WH3?.

I mean, why not just allow certain Daemons to be recruited through the Chaos Warrior unit rosters instead of making them an outright faction?. (Not anything crazy mind you like a Bloodthirster or Vortex Beast, that would be unbalanced for obvious reasons)

But anyway, yeah. Might as well just give Chaos Warriors the ability to call forth some of these daemons if they don't really have any fundementals to make them an actual faction. Considering that they'd fight alongside Chaos Warrior hordes too. (Or at least... not try to kill too many of their allies in the process)

[TVMAN]

Originally posted by IVIalicious 🧕💣💥👌:

So would it really make any sense to have the Chaos Daemons as a seperate faction in WH3?.

Well they're an 8th edition faction, so, yes. They're a standalone faction with their own roster on the tabletop, so that's likely how it'd work in this game.

[The Toast of Kyiv]

Originally posted by TVMAN:

Originally posted by IVIalicious 🧕💣💥👌:

So would it really make any sense to have the Chaos Daemons as a seperate faction in WH3?.

Well they're an 8th edition faction, so, yes. They're a standalone faction with their own roster on the tabletop, so that's likely how it'd work in this game.

Interesting.

Probably means they're going to be in WH3 then no doubt.

[Wh♂♂par]

WoC is what the name implies, their Warriors. It's mainly humans with demonic influence. While Daemons of Chaos are what the name implies, mainly the monstrous part. With a lot of magic in their butts.

[Dr_Kira]

I'm not familiar in fantasy with daemons but in W40K it's super easy to make factions for each 4 of them, "ultimate apocalypse mod" for Dawn of war is a good way to check that (if in fantasy they translate easily I'm not sure about that)

[Wh♂♂par]

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer/Tactics/8th_Edition/Daemons_of_Chaos

Originally posted by Kayami Kira:

I'm not familiar in fantasy with daemons but in W40K it's super easy to make factions for each 4 of them, "ultimate apocalypse mod" for Dawn of war is a good way to check that (if in fantasy they translate easily I'm not sure about that)

[The Toast of Kyiv]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

While Daemons of Chaos are what the name implies, mainly the monstrous part. With a lot of magic in their butts.

Welp, found my new faction if they are included in WH3.

Basically Chaos Warriors on steroids and crack cocaine, right?.

[Toby Larone]

Deamons have a certain amount of hirarchy with them and they have what you could call leaders in the form of greater deamons and deamon princes. Like beastmen and chaos warriors higher up the lader you are the more powerfull you are.

I would honestly love to see them as a normal faction instead of a horde since deamons do have fortresses and the like, wich would make the forces of chaos far more of a threat then with just two hordes and one normal faction.

[Wh♂♂par]

Originally posted by IVIalicious 🧕💣💥👌:

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

While Daemons of Chaos are what the name implies, mainly the monstrous part. With a lot of magic in their butts.

Welp, found my new faction if they are included in WH3.

Basically Chaos Warriors on steroids and crack cocaine, right?.

There's flying discs, flaming "little blobs", plague-spreading troll-likes, Bloodthirsters - being more or less Satan in looks and very true to its name. And other stuff that's in my aforementioned link.

[Stevonian]

What we have now are creatures influenced by Chaos demons, but the actual demons themselves are held back from entering the world. In Warhammer 3, I'm guessing the actual demons will get through and that will be Hell to pay. (Check out the Lore in the Warhammer Wiki for more details.) Most of the (so far) unseen, eastern side of the world is inhabited by monstrosities and evil (such as chaos dwarves), and that is where the demons will probably be represented.

[Smiling "Lucky" Lynx]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

Originally posted by IVIalicious 🧕💣💥👌:

Welp, found my new faction if they are included in WH3.

Basically Chaos Warriors on steroids and crack cocaine, right?.

There's flying discs, flaming "little blobs", plague-spreading troll-likes, Bloodthirsters - being more or less Satan in looks and very true to its name. And other stuff that's in my aforementioned link.

I hear Bloodthirsters are a pretty big deal. Mainly because every bit of lore about a character that has killed any of them seems to be eh pretteh cool guy.

[Wh♂♂par]

1d4chan is marked as malicious on here? Wowee. Probably because of 4chan in the name.

[Toby Larone]

Bloodthirster are "just" greater deamons of khorne and greater deamons in general are pretty powerfull.

[The Toast of Kyiv]

Originally posted by Little Lynx:

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

There's flying discs, flaming "little blobs", plague-spreading troll-likes, Bloodthirsters - being more or less Satan in looks and very true to its name. And other stuff that's in my aforementioned link.

I hear Bloodthirsters are a pretty big deal. Mainly because every bit of lore about a character that has killed any of them seems to be eh pretteh cool guy.

Basically one of them looks like Satan got pissed and broke his way out of hell to reap some souls. According to the lore i've seen about them, they're pretty much unstoppable unless you have nothing short of an entire army and even then, he's probably gonna take a lot of your men with him. They ain't stupid either, the lore says these things are smart enough to command troops of their own.

Then again, you're talking about something whose master is the god of blood, war and death so it's not really surprising.

Needless to say, i wouldn't be surprised if CA doesn't decide to implement them into the game lol.

Wouldn't be surprised if there's a Bloodthirster which is a Legendary Lord too. (or important figure in the lore)

[TVMAN]

Originally posted by IVIalicious 🧕💣💥👌:

Interesting.

Probably means they're going to be in WH3 then no doubt.

Mind you, I don't actually have a lore-related answer to your question. From the lore standpoint, I *think* they're different factions because the Warriors are made up of the mortal worshippers of Chaos, and the Daemons are elements of the Chaos Gods themselves.

Gameplay wise, the Warriors playstyle favors heavy armor supported by a few elite monsters, and the Daemons playstyle fields a wide variety of fast, squishy, hard-hitting abominations that all have fancy abilities. The Daemons also have a lot of random elements to their gameplay, for example their strengths and abilities for a given battle depend on the Winds of Magic rolls.

In the case of the Daemons, I think they'll also have some unique gameplay mechanics that'll power them up based on the current amount of chaos corruption, since their existence in the real world heavily depends on that. There's enough present to make them feel unique imho.

[dt Walter Robinson]

Years ago, Chaos was a single faction, with one army book and you could make armies featuring Beastmen, Warriors of Chaos, Chaos Marauders and Horsemen, Greater Daemons, Lesser Daemons, Dragon Ogres, Trolls, regular Ogres and so much more.

But then GW figured that Chaos could be more profitable if split up into thematic armies, and thus it was so...


Daemons can manifest spontaneously where the flow of Chaos is strong, but more often their appearance is due to deliberate summoning, therefore the daemons are under command of the summoner, or they come to the material plane under direct command of a Daemon Prince or some other command figure because the Chaos gods have willed it, for whatever unfathomable-to-mortal-minds reason.