What are you meant to do about Lothern?

[Valkurm Emperor]

I'm on my second game of the Vortex mode and i have had issues with them both times.

In my first game i played as the Lizardmen. Clan Mors came close to winning but in the end they along with the Dark Elves got wiped out some how. No idea who killed either.

With just me and Lothern i had to rush every army i had to them to stop them finishing the 5th ritual.

I am now playing as the skaven (Lord Skrolk) and im having the same issue, (although the other 2 factions are still around this time) Lothern are way ahead of everyone with the rituals and its looking like i'm going to have to do the same thing, rush everyone over and leave my lands undefended.

The real issue i can see is that Lothern have no one to challenge them. They sit on there own little island undisturbed and slowly destroying or confederating the other High Elf fasctions.

Being so far away from everyone they are able to build up everything without issue. The A.I isnt interested in going across the oceon and they are to far away for me to be sending anything less of a full invasion, which is hard to afford as the skaven with the whole food thing.

It also doesnt help that interventions don't seem to do anything. Even if all 3 factions send 10k armys it takes one or 2 turns to see all 3 destroyed.

I am well aware this may just be and issue with me as i am fairly terrible at these games.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Apparently, from what I've read, you just have to defeat them at the final battle so if you have a good army for that you don't have to worry about them being ahead.

[Centur1on01]

High Elves are scum

On my first vortex playthrough, I had to take a stack of Dark Elves +/w Malekeith and punch the High Elves' lights out

[Valkurm Emperor]

What happend in the final battle when you are attacking? while defending as the lizard when i was able to spam that spell you get killing 90% of every army before they got near.

[RCMidas]

They get two full armies, but no superpower magic. You get whatever army you bring, and two allied armies of the other two races (even if they have been wiped out by that point), all at the same time.

[Twitter formerly X]

Yeah you don't "lose" automatically if another faction finishes their rituals first, you just have to defeat them in the vortex battle with your starting Legendary Lord. The enemy army in the battle is made of good units at high veterancy but by the time you have to fight this battle your starting Lord should already by high level with an elite army himself so you should be able to win the battle.

I've found its best not to worry about doing the rituals first and rushing them. Instead its way better to focus on just capturing key territories and building a strong economy so you can develop a good 3 solid armies which you will need to complete your rituals. After I've built a defensible empire I'll just power through the rituals back to back. Normally by the time I've built my armies and cities ill have enough ritual resources to do 3-4 of them in a row and then be close to the 5th. Usually High or Dark elves complete theirs first so I have to stop them in the ritual battle.

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

Send two stacks for best results off to Lothern and plan it so you take it in the middle of a ritual. Hold it until the ritual ends (don't raze it!)

If you want, you can keep whacking the High Elves using Lothern as a powerbase. If you just want their ritual failed, sail back off to wherever - but that is a waste of all the movement spent on these two stacks...

[Darth Wadewilson]

Or you could change teams. Play as Tyrion 😃

[Valkurm Emperor]

Does anyone have any tips for the final battle? I have tried a few times with each of my armys and it has not gone well. The allies you get are kind of small and crappy.

[Kaaz]

Take 2-3 armies, get yourself a beachhead then just work your way around the island with the 2nd army covering the other direction do you dont get your land taken from behind you. After yoy decimate the island, no more pesky lothern ahead in the ritual ^^

[Kaaz]

Originally posted by Dan:

Does anyone have any tips for the final battle? I have tried a few times with each of my armys and it has not gone well. The allies you get are kind of small and crappy.

Liberal use of the spells

[Valkurm Emperor]

Originally posted by Kaaz:

Originally posted by Dan:

Does anyone have any tips for the final battle? I have tried a few times with each of my armys and it has not gone well. The allies you get are kind of small and crappy.

Liberal use of the spells

i meant for attacking sorry. The High Elves have finished the 5th ritual and i am struggleing to beat them.

[The Mighty Mulletman]

Originally posted by Dan:

Originally posted by Kaaz:

Liberal use of the spells

i meant for attacking sorry. The High Elves have finished the 5th ritual and i am struggleing to beat them.

The best sort of army should contain at least 4 artillery units. ( both plague claw and warp lightning cannons are perfectly fine. There are plenty of good targets for both.)
Ammo seemed unlimited last time I played that battle so they get insane kills. Hang back, wait for the elves to advance and your allies to engage. Let them take the brunt of the frontal assault. You will 'support' them from behind with artillery. It is the Skaven way.

Add a Warplock Engineer if you can as well. They are exelent support for the artillery and can get some pretty good spells to boot.

2-3 Plague Priests with Warp Tokens, level 2 Vermintide spell and Plague Furnace would also be an exelent way to bring some extra fodder for cheap.

I recall playing this battle with Skrolk. Also against High Elves by chance. I sent a few plague priests forward and sent a fee waves of summoned rats to get things started but the rest of my army didn't see any action until the very end of the battle.

[vacrovic]

This is one of the reasons I'm really hoping for Alarielle the Everqueen starting out in Avelorn, as it gives Tyrion some serious competition over Ulthuan. Currently out of all the High Elven factions Avelorn has consistently been the least likely to confederate with Tyrion (it happens, but just as often as Tyrion destroying them). With her there, and maybe a rival Dark Elf Legendary Lord starting near Ulthuan's North-east, Tyrion would have a much harder time taking control of the whole island.

[Valkurm Emperor]

I think its a lost cause at this point. I don't have enough turns to get my Lord back to home territory to make a new army. So mixing it up from the other 2 he's with this is the best i can make.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/918045226336500351/2D1B6E3D9BCDCF1FB6B2F22699C4024DE16008EA/

Even my stormvermin manage to get next to no kills. The time where I almost come close my artillery have the majority of the kills.

I'll restart some time and prepare better. Or try and ♥♥♥♥ Lothern early on.

[TVMAN]

Just let them finish the ritual and beat them in their final battle. If they lose that battle, they lose the game and can't try again.

Originally posted by Dan:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/918045226336500351/2D1B6E3D9BCDCF1FB6B2F22699C4024DE16008EA/

No abominations? No death globes? No doomwheels? What are you doing, my dude? You have almost none of the Skaven's actual killing power in your army, save for taking too much arty.