What is the point of sun dragons?

[Eldrin]

Aside for people who play multiplayer and need to save a few coins. I am talking about single player

I tested all the dragons against different type of enemies, with using simply a spear man squad on my side, letting the enemy charge into it, and as soon as they make contact i had the dragon from their flank shoot their breath attack.

From the results of the test i do not get what is the point of a sun dragon, its stats are far worse then the other dragons and its breath is far worse then the other dragons.

Vs infantry the moon will destroy the most armored or not
Vs large armored or not start will do more but moon isnt far behind and star has far better stats
Sun dragon isnt good at anything


First to test low armored infantry High elf spearmen

Test 1 Test 2
Sun Dragon 55 Kills 51 Kills 4200 damage
Moon Dragon 55 Kills 50 Kills 4100 damage
Star Dragon 45 Kills 41 Kills 3500 damage


Second test high armored infantry

Test 1 Test 2
Sun Dragon 1 kill 2100 damage 1 kill 2250 damage
Moon Dragon 14 kills 3300 damage 11 kills 2100 damage
Star Dragon 9 kills 1800 damage 8 kills 1900 damage

Third test vs high Large Infantry Ushabti


Sun Dragon 0 kills 1000 damage
Moon Dragon 0 kills 1600 damage
Star Dragon 0 kills 2400 damage


Fourth test vs a large big thing Necrosphynx

Sun Dragon 360 damage
Moon Dragon 500 damage
Star Dragon 900 damage

[Aralous]

Because having 1 of each dragon type in an army looks cool.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Aralous:

Because having 1 of each dragon type in an army looks cool.

i wish the sun dragon would have something going for it instead of just pay a tiny bit less for a far worse dragon

both the moon and star have different uses

Moon for destroy infantry
Star bit weaker at destroy infantry but better at killing other big things

[Greg]

What is the point of spearmen without shields? Moon and star dragons are just the next tier of dragon. Every faction has early game units that eventually just get replaced by better tier units. The only time I would pick a sun dragon over the other two would be when I'm not trying to destroy my upkeep.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Greg:

What is the point of spearmen without shields? Moon and star dragons are just the next tier of dragon. Every faction has early game units that eventually just get replaced by better teir units. The only time I would pick a sun dragon over the other two would be when I'm not trying to destroy my upkeep.

all high elven spearmen have shields? and you unlock moon and sun with the same building

[Aralous]

Originally posted by SwiftXShadow:

Originally posted by Greg:

What is the point of spearmen without shields? Moon and star dragons are just the next tier of dragon. Every faction has early game units that eventually just get replaced by better teir units. The only time I would pick a sun dragon over the other two would be when I'm not trying to destroy my upkeep.

all high elven spearmen have shields? and you unlock moon and sun with the same building

He's referring to Lothern Sea Guard which start with bow/spear and later can have shields at tier three building.

[Gwan Solo]

The breath attacks are supposed to be more effective against certain targets. I think Sun Breath deals with mass infantry 'better' than Moon or Star. It does seem to cover a larger area if you just fire and forget, but you can get more devestating results with good positioning with Star Dragons.

Also the charge bonus is larger so maybe; cycle charge and cost are the reason to bring them?

[strike478]

Sun dragon is lower tier. His advantage over remaining two is slightly smaller cost and fact that you can recruit him sooner.
If you have time to wait longer remaining dragons are your choice. Otherwise Sun Dragon is temporary substitute with worse cost:efficiency ratio.

[Sn3z]

For single player a Sun dragon is the transition from a fire phoenix as a fire phoenix is from a eagle or you can simply skip the fire phoenix, eagles roles are for shutting down ranged, taking out artillery and mages/weak agents this allows HE to run very aggressive army's that are not ranged centric.

Obviously a sun dragon will have no problem tackling these very weak units so it would be wasted but now we tap into something else at this point HE flyers become alot more versitile being able to deal with other things so I could see sun dragon having alot more uses over what a fire pheonix can achieve but you still ideally keep the same idea in its role. HE flying core as it "scales" makes armies more hybrid, which is extremely important come the late game.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by elSa:

For single player a Sun dragon is the transition from a fire phoenix as a fire phoenix is from a eagle or you can simply skip the fire phoenix, eagles roles are for shutting down ranged, taking out artillery and mages/weak agents this allows HE to run very aggressive army's that are not ranged eccentric.

Obviously a sun dragon will have no problem tackling these very weak units so it would be wasted but now we tap into something else at this point HE flyers become alot more versitile being able to deal with other things so I could see sun dragon having alot more uses over what a fire pheonix can achieve but you still ideally keep the same idea in its role. HE flying core as it "scales" makes armies more hybrid, which is extremely important come the late game.

wait what eagle is better then fire phoenix?

[Aralous]

Originally posted by SwiftXShadow:

Originally posted by elSa:

For single player a Sun dragon is the transition from a fire phoenix as a fire phoenix is from a eagle or you can simply skip the fire phoenix, eagles roles are for shutting down ranged, taking out artillery and mages/weak agents this allows HE to run very aggressive army's that are not ranged eccentric.

Obviously a sun dragon will have no problem tackling these very weak units so it would be wasted but now we tap into something else at this point HE flyers become alot more versitile being able to deal with other things so I could see sun dragon having alot more uses over what a fire pheonix can achieve but you still ideally keep the same idea in its role. HE flying core as it "scales" makes armies more hybrid, which is extremely important come the late game.

wait what eagle is better then fire phoenix?

Eagles are better for getting to targets quicker, which is great for artillery. I keep fire phoenix for the sole purpose of using their ability on big groups of infantry.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Aralous:

Originally posted by SwiftXShadow:

wait what eagle is better then fire phoenix?

Eagles are better for getting to targets quicker, which is great for artillery. I keep fire phoenix for the sole purpose of using their ability on big groups of infantry.

Wut? Fire phoenixes are just as fast as eagles...

Also, a sun dragon is more mobile than moon/star variant, otherwise its just the cheaper lower tier unit.

[las]

For single player,the main advantage of sun dragon is their speed,which is enough to chase down most of other faction's strong flying monster.

The main different of use between sun and moon dragon is,the sun dragon is used as a versatile support unit which can perform shock tactic(which enjoy more benifit from speed and charge bonus),while moon dragon can start to become the core of army(which latter kinda replaced by star dragon unless you really need more crowd control breath),

ps.I just found out between 95~85 speed lies most of the pesky ranged cav,with sun dragon, u can chase them down with a bit micro.

I guess if I do play again I will use moon dragon in my main army,while put 1~2 sun dragon into secondary army if available.

[Pimpin Pippin]

AFAIK sun dragon is recruited a tier sooner which is a huge difference when playing in a difficult situation.
That fancy star dragon aint of much use when you are gonna lose the game before you can reach its tier.

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

Originally posted by Pimpin Pippin:

AFAIK sun dragon is recruited a tier sooner which is a huge difference when playing in a difficult situation.
That fancy star dragon aint of much use when you are gonna lose the game before you can reach its tier.

Yup. It's a tier lower, do you expect it to be better?

[Kel]

Fire damage and single target damage. So you take one if you are fighting against an army with fire vulnerability. Trees, Trolls, Tomb Kings.