i5 8400 Vs. i7 8700

[Whitemage]

I'm tentatively planning on buying an Alienware Aurora in a couple months, and would like to get good performance with this game. Most of what I see says that for games in general the i5 8400 is almost as good as the i7 8700 for considerably less money. Do you think that is true for Warhammer II? I have heard that this game can use multiple cores more efficiently, and that this might make for a somewhat better performance with the i7, but I haven't found any definite comparison of these two processors. Any advice is appreciated!

[Samheim]

No CPU makes hardly any difference to this or most games.

They basically make the games to work on a basic quad core and you get a little bit of a boost if you have an amazing CPU but not much.

Unless you have a really under powered CPU you won't see much difference. But we are talking very low end.

What you really need is an SSD drive and at least a 1060. Thats about optimum. If you spend more and go for top end gear you will only get slight boost.

[rmckay3421]

I would get the 8600k for gaming. If you have to buy a z370 board anyways. You midaswell get a chip that can overclock. The 8600k and 8700k are very cloce in benchmarks for gaming. And it's quite a bit cheaper. But I would get the i3 8350 over the i5 8400. These chips are amazing at over clocking. I have my 8600k at 5.3 ghz at 1.39v (delidded). That stays under 50 degrees under load. I did get better frame rates after upgrading from 6th gen chips. Thank you Ryzen for puting a flame under Intels ass.

[Sir Bubbish]

Dx 12 is meant to utilize multi core processing better, but you won’t see a performance bump in most games that reflect the price difference between the two.

Being a true 6-core with high frequency makes the 8700 an attractive future proofed option tho...

[I LIVE AGAIN]

Get i7 8700, TWW2 is CPU demanding game, low CPU = you wait turn times for ages (like me)
Example: I have i7 3770 = I wait for enemy turns and it is painful
My friend has i7 6770 = He has no problem with it at all

I have not seen any option in game to use 4 cores of my processor, I think TWW2, as most games, uses only 1 core. I suppose only special ingame mod supported by Intel uses multiple cores threads.

[Zugs]

On an unrelated note, the guys who made alien ware sold out to dell along time ago. However they started another computer company called Origin.

You can find their web page here:
https://www.originpc.com/

[Whitemage]

Zugs: thanks for the intel, I've started to look into them per your mention.

Shep: End turn time is a concern for me. Unfortunately the i7 8700 is out of my price range.

Generally, though, from the advice here and some research elsewhere, the i5 8600k seems like a good choice, and likely just about as good as the i7. Thanks all!

[Hurricane]

Originalmente postado por ^1Shep^8ardov:

Get i7 8700, TWW2 is CPU demanding game, low CPU = you wait turn times for ages (like me)
Example: I have i7 3770 = I wait for enemy turns and it is painful
My friend has i7 6770 = He has no problem with it at all

I have not seen any option in game to use 4 cores of my processor, I think TWW2, as most games, uses only 1 core. I suppose only special ingame mod supported by Intel uses multiple cores threads.

This is bs... end turn times got nothing to do with cpu... if you monitor cpu usage end of turn its tiny... the game engine is just bad and i5 or i7 wont have better end turn times. Where they shine is larger unit sizes. If i were to build a pc and had the money to get an i7 i would. They smooth out the full pc not just games. You can have loads going on and alt tab without issue. The i5 you really meed to just focus on the 1 task if the game is cpu demanding

[I LIVE AGAIN]

Originalmente postado por Hurricane:

Originalmente postado por ^1Shep^8ardov:

Get i7 8700, TWW2 is CPU demanding game, low CPU = you wait turn times for ages (like me)
Example: I have i7 3770 = I wait for enemy turns and it is painful
My friend has i7 6770 = He has no problem with it at all

I have not seen any option in game to use 4 cores of my processor, I think TWW2, as most games, uses only 1 core. I suppose only special ingame mod supported by Intel uses multiple cores threads.

This is bs... end turn times got nothing to do with cpu... if you monitor cpu usage end of turn its tiny... the game engine is just bad and i5 or i7 wont have better end turn times. Where they shine is larger unit sizes. If i were to build a pc and had the money to get an i7 i would. They smooth out the full pc not just games. You can have loads going on and alt tab without issue. The i5 you really meed to just focus on the 1 task if the game is cpu demanding

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/205849/how-to-speed-up-turn-times
https://steamcommunity.com/app/594570/discussions/0/1480982971183302828/
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/209991/how-to-optimize-end-turn-time
Everybody is saying that turn times are CPU based, even people on official forums. It is 100% confirmed better CPU = better turn time. It is not important optimized the game or not, it is all about result.

[spellsnare]

well to be honest a CPU+SSD would make a huge difference yes the CPU would be more demanding in large scale battle plus turn timer to that would increase a little bit lets says i have a 7700 k before i had a 2700 k my turn take no less then 25 to 30 sec with a 7700 k before that was 45 sec max with my 2700 k but surely with a SSD that would reduce further your next turn

but with 8800k i would recommend it if you want to do large scale battle and reduce your next turn

[Longtoke]

Originalmente postado por Hurricane:

Originalmente postado por ^1Shep^8ardov:

Get i7 8700, TWW2 is CPU demanding game, low CPU = you wait turn times for ages (like me)
Example: I have i7 3770 = I wait for enemy turns and it is painful
My friend has i7 6770 = He has no problem with it at all

I have not seen any option in game to use 4 cores of my processor, I think TWW2, as most games, uses only 1 core. I suppose only special ingame mod supported by Intel uses multiple cores threads.

This is bs... end turn times got nothing to do with cpu... if you monitor cpu usage end of turn its tiny... the game engine is just bad and i5 or i7 wont have better end turn times. Where they shine is larger unit sizes. If i were to build a pc and had the money to get an i7 i would. They smooth out the full pc not just games. You can have loads going on and alt tab without issue. The i5 you really meed to just focus on the 1 task if the game is cpu demanding

Lolololol

Seriously ? Do you even understand the basics of processors ? Go read up on multithreading for both the game and in general, you might actually speak something of value afterwards.

Here’s a clue, the game doesn’t multithread.

[Hurricane]

Originalmente postado por Longtoke:

Originalmente postado por Hurricane:

This is bs... end turn times got nothing to do with cpu... if you monitor cpu usage end of turn its tiny... the game engine is just bad and i5 or i7 wont have better end turn times. Where they shine is larger unit sizes. If i were to build a pc and had the money to get an i7 i would. They smooth out the full pc not just games. You can have loads going on and alt tab without issue. The i5 you really meed to just focus on the 1 task if the game is cpu demanding

Lolololol

Seriously ? Do you even understand the basics of processors ? Go read up on multithreading for both the game and in general, you might actually speak something of value afterwards.

Here’s a clue, the game doesn’t multithread.

Dear me mr longtoke you have no clue what youre on about and by saying the game doesnt multithread means you agree with me... what a complete idiot. Why do you come to the hardware threads? You literally have no clue what youre on about.

Go test an i5 vrs an i7 on the same load file andbthe difference in end turn times wont even be 5% faster the game engine doesnt take advantage of the extra cores... my brother has a 6 core 12 thread cpu if this was the case his i7 would load much faster than a 4 core i7... the only thing on the cpu that counts is clock speed for end turn times.

[Samheim]

Right to be honest, the ai is not going to be using a lot of cpu power for end turn times.

The code is probably going to have a lot of if stements then do this etc.

Specialy seeing as a the end of turn the cpu can process each faction individually.

AI might be a lot more intense in games where everything is moving and make decisions at the same time.

On my old Athalon 2 x4 840 quad core 3.4 ghz I get really good end turn time if i set turn times to minimal.

It all truth there is not really that much difference between the top of the range I7 and chips from 5 years ago like mine.

Thats why AMD keep rebranding and re- releasing their old gpus and cpus again and again.

Thats the reason xbox 360 had a 7 year life span.

Because nowadays its more about being efficient and good code design then super powerful hardware.

The hardware had been so good for ages now and no real big jumps have happend in a long time.


Like going from a pentium 1 100 mhz to a pentium 3 1 gnz was a big deal!

but going from an Amd 2 to i7 sure some times you will notice a difference if you are video editing or something like that but in games unlikely to be a huge differnce as game manufacturers can't make games for the 5% of pc gamers who have nice rigs. They would go bankrupt.

[Hurricane]

Coding is key. And this engine is the best tw engine around by miles but it still sucks as it doesnt take advantage of the hardware...

[Hawk]

Originalmente postado por Tactical9150™:

help what ssd should i get for fast turn?

Turn time is cpu, ssd is load time

[Hawk]

Originalmente postado por Tactical9150™:

Originalmente postado por hawk:

Turn time is cpu, ssd is load time

but my Ai turn load very slow in campagne i think ssd maybe help load faster.

The cpu calculates what the ai does, an ssd does not think or produce calculations it just holds information, so it will will load up battles for you in a second and you will load back into the campaign map in a second.