There is a flying pyramid on my menu screen. Bad CA

[Bibi Maghoo]

This happened like once in end times lore and with a very specific pyramid. I love this game, but I love correct lore as well. Why have you done this?

Also thanks for another great DLC, perhaps the best yet based on what I have played.

[Chameon]

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

It is specifically described as darkest black in the lore. So that aside while I agree you can explain this in many cool ways, it is not any part of pre-end times lore that pyramids fly, and there is no other indication of end times content in either of these games, so I do not accept that as being lore abiding here.

Darkest black marble actually -does- change color when the light hits it in a certain way, however. It often has a 'rainbow' effect. Especially at 'earlier' ages of impurity. Especially considering the Black Pyramid was essentially a huge magical 'conduit' for Nagash to basically 'fake' Leyline access from. So, no, it might -actually- just be Black Marble where the artists -actually- know how Black Marble works, and so light hitting it might -actually- have a mirror effect if it's high up enough and a large enough size. Especially considerring that I also recall that the Black Pyramid had a note about being -insanely- smooth, which would -further- enhance the mirroring effect from below.

[Jonnydodger]

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

Publicado originalmente por Chameon:

Okay. First fun fact. Black Marble is not always black, it is in fact somewhat reflective when placed in front of the sun, and if it's higher up it might look like a more regular stone, especially after years of degradation due to wear and tear. I'm sure CA's writers meant to make it -mean- black, but it is NOT always black, worth noting, especially considerring that I doubt Nagash got truly pure marble given quarrying techniques from years before Sigmar. If you want to look up the geology on this, feel free, it's kinda fascinating.

Second fun fact. You're not seeing daemons everywhere on the map. I'm sure you've noticed Daemons aren't all over the place? The Winds of Magic are howling and unstable and the vortex isn't eating all the chaos energy ever, and yet daemons aren't everywhere. That means the magic is getting used. Which means mages are showing off -hard- wherever the magic is free. So yes, some structures that previously weren't flying might, in fact, be flying. I imagine random mages are popping like mosquitos in front of a light.

Third fun fact. While Nagash might not be around to make it fly, his magic most certainly is. It's funny, a large chunk of his magic just seems to sorta free wheel in spite of the master of death being 'dead'. It's almost like death is just an inconvenient thing for him.

Fourth fun fact. You might notice that the Lizardmen raised some lands if you watched their cutscenes along the geomantic leylines. It's possible that was just an unlucky pyramid that happened to be along the leylines. I imagine the tomb kings inside are VERY confused if that's the case.

It is specifically described as darkest black in the lore. So that aside while I agree you can explain this in many cool ways, it is not any part of pre-end times lore that pyramids fly, and there is no other indication of end times content in either of these games, so I do not accept that as being lore abiding here.

No end times content:
Archaon turning up is a big indication that the End times are coming
Vlad Von Carstein has returned.

[Bibi Maghoo]

Publicado originalmente por Jonnydodger:

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

It is specifically described as darkest black in the lore. So that aside while I agree you can explain this in many cool ways, it is not any part of pre-end times lore that pyramids fly, and there is no other indication of end times content in either of these games, so I do not accept that as being lore abiding here.

No end times content:
Archaon turning up is a big indication that the End times are coming
Vlad Von Carstein has returned.

They are not end times content. Vlad is not dead, if it was end times content there would be no isabella. They are using living characters from many points in time, otherwise most of the greenskin lords would also be dead. Archaon was around long before end times content, and end times lore is his second major incursion, not first.

[Bibi Maghoo]

Publicado originalmente por Chameon:

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

It is specifically described as darkest black in the lore. So that aside while I agree you can explain this in many cool ways, it is not any part of pre-end times lore that pyramids fly, and there is no other indication of end times content in either of these games, so I do not accept that as being lore abiding here.

Darkest black marble actually -does- change color when the light hits it in a certain way, however. It often has a 'rainbow' effect. Especially at 'earlier' ages of impurity. Especially considering the Black Pyramid was essentially a huge magical 'conduit' for Nagash to basically 'fake' Leyline access from. So, no, it might -actually- just be Black Marble where the artists -actually- know how Black Marble works, and so light hitting it might -actually- have a mirror effect if it's high up enough and a large enough size. Especially considerring that I also recall that the Black Pyramid had a note about being -insanely- smooth, which would -further- enhance the mirroring effect from below.

Yes is it supposed to be very smooth, and I don't want to dispute anythign you have said about the way light effects it, so I concede that it could look that way and still be black marble. That still does not justify its presence in this game at this point with lore.

[Jonnydodger]

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

Publicado originalmente por Jonnydodger:

No end times content:
Archaon turning up is a big indication that the End times are coming
Vlad Von Carstein has returned.

They are not end times content. Vlad is not dead, if it was end times content there would be no isabella. They are using living characters from many points in time, otherwise most of the greenskin lords would also be dead. Archaon was around long before end times content, and end times lore is his second major incursion, not first.

Vlad died in the lore. He was resurrected by Nagash at the beginning of the End Times. Isabella was also brought back during the End Times, by Nurgle.
Also, Storm of Chaos was retconned out by GW, making the End Times Archaon's first, and only, incursion.

[Bibi Maghoo]

Publicado originalmente por Jonnydodger:

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

They are not end times content. Vlad is not dead, if it was end times content there would be no isabella. They are using living characters from many points in time, otherwise most of the greenskin lords would also be dead. Archaon was around long before end times content, and end times lore is his second major incursion, not first.

Vlad died in the lore. He was resurrected by Nagash at the beginning of the End Times. Isabella was also brought back during the End Times, by Nurgle.
Also, Storm of Chaos was retconned out by GW, making the End Times Archaon's first, and only, incursion.

I know what happened, my point is that Vlads presence is not end times content. There are many other dead characters in the game who did not return at any point once dead. The game assumes a point in time when they are all alive, not end times.

Storm of Chaos retconned doesn't change that Archaon was around 15 years ago, long before end times content was created. His presence here does not indicate end times content.

[SpaceGoatMage]

Publicado originalmente por Jonnydodger:

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

They are not end times content. Vlad is not dead, if it was end times content there would be no isabella. They are using living characters from many points in time, otherwise most of the greenskin lords would also be dead. Archaon was around long before end times content, and end times lore is his second major incursion, not first.

Vlad died in the lore. He was resurrected by Nagash at the beginning of the End Times. Isabella was also brought back during the End Times, by Nurgle.
Also, Storm of Chaos was retconned out by GW, making the End Times Archaon's first, and only, incursion.

Volkmar also got sacrificed to revieve Nagash, yet hes alive in the game.

[Chameon]

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

Publicado originalmente por Chameon:

Darkest black marble actually -does- change color when the light hits it in a certain way, however. It often has a 'rainbow' effect. Especially at 'earlier' ages of impurity. Especially considering the Black Pyramid was essentially a huge magical 'conduit' for Nagash to basically 'fake' Leyline access from. So, no, it might -actually- just be Black Marble where the artists -actually- know how Black Marble works, and so light hitting it might -actually- have a mirror effect if it's high up enough and a large enough size. Especially considerring that I also recall that the Black Pyramid had a note about being -insanely- smooth, which would -further- enhance the mirroring effect from below.

Yes is it supposed to be very smooth, and I don't want to dispute anythign you have said about the way light effects it, so I concede that it could look that way and still be black marble. That still does not justify its presence in this game at this point with lore.

Ingame lore does justify it. The Vortex is unstable. The vortex is what's been nerfing magic globally. Nagash was as strong as he was, and horrifying for it, when the Vortex was weak. Nagash's magic still lingers, so...yes. It might -actually- be being triggered by 'latent' Nagash magic, after all, lord knows he left enough of his stuff lying around with enough chunks of his power and enough sapience that some of it might have 'incidentally' activated his pyramid in a time of very high magical tides.

Additionally, there is still the possibility that that image was from after the leyline. Every Tomb King Pyramid is along a point in the geomantic web in the map, and capitals are along the web. While it was a touch lazy on CA's part to make it this way, this does mean that, per the ingame lore that there were points in the web that were raised magically by the lizardmen, who are CONFIRMED to be powerful enough to move continents, this actually -does- make no small degree of sense that this was a Tomb Kings city that was captured by lizardmen, or just that Lizardmen were past that ritual and this city is just floating miles in the sky now.

Finally, I feel I should bring up....many of the lore writers -were- as bad, if not worse, then many of the fanfic writers, and while they did have Black Library approval, that didn't mean terribly much, there wasn't much....control over the setting by GW, which means that some crazy stuff -can- and has happened. One pyramid floating is hardly the worst thing the lore has ever dealt with....what with Grimgor's 'famous' kick and the retcon of that lore.

[Bibi Maghoo]

Publicado originalmente por Chameon:

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

Yes is it supposed to be very smooth, and I don't want to dispute anythign you have said about the way light effects it, so I concede that it could look that way and still be black marble. That still does not justify its presence in this game at this point with lore.

Ingame lore does justify it. The Vortex is unstable. The vortex is what's been nerfing magic globally. Nagash was as strong as he was, and horrifying for it, when the Vortex was weak. Nagash's magic still lingers, so...yes. It might -actually- be being triggered by 'latent' Nagash magic, after all, lord knows he left enough of his stuff lying around with enough chunks of his power and enough sapience that some of it might have 'incidentally' activated his pyramid in a time of very high magical tides.

Additionally, there is still the possibility that that image was from after the leyline. Every Tomb King Pyramid is along a point in the geomantic web in the map, and capitals are along the web. While it was a touch lazy on CA's part to make it this way, this does mean that, per the ingame lore that there were points in the web that were raised magically by the lizardmen, who are CONFIRMED to be powerful enough to move continents, this actually -does- make no small degree of sense that this was a Tomb Kings city that was captured by lizardmen, or just that Lizardmen were past that ritual and this city is just floating miles in the sky now.

Finally, I feel I should bring up....many of the lore writers -were- as bad, if not worse, then many of the fanfic writers, and while they did have Black Library approval, that didn't mean terribly much, there wasn't much....control over the setting by GW, which means that some crazy stuff -can- and has happened. One pyramid floating is hardly the worst thing the lore has ever dealt with....what with Grimgor's 'famous' kick and the retcon of that lore.

It can be explained using elements of in game lore. I do not dispute that. Anything can with that context though, literally anything. It has never happened in the lore before end times though, and this is not end times because there is no evidence that it is. It is not the greatest sin, and I love what this game has done, but it stands out and I thought it worth mentioning from a pure lore perspective. I am not all twisted rage about it lol.

And yeah, sure, lore writers were good, bad and sometimes contradictory, but this game has done so well even with liberties it has taken with some troops, i just thought this was a mistake.

[Zoie Shales]

This I agree on, anything can go on in fantasy, and CA may have made the pyramid on the menu screen float just because it's awesome. The game's timeline isn't exact with lore, the lore itself was kind of crazy like with Grimgor's 'famous' kick. To be honest I just want to look at the floaty pyrimid and then go do custom battles with skeletons, so details over what pyrimid and what color it is and why its not black and why its not that pyrimid is not that concerning.

Tomb Kings is indeed one of the best DLC's released so far in TW:W and I really like all the things they added, even Tretch.

[Chameon]

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

It can be explained using elements of in game lore. I do not dispute that. Anything can with that context though, literally anything. It has never happened in the lore before end times though, and this is not end times because there is no evidence that it is. It is not the greatest sin, and I love what this game has done, but it stands out and I thought it worth mentioning from a pure lore perspective. I am not all twisted rage about it lol.

And yeah, sure, lore writers were good, bad and sometimes contradictory, but this game has done so well even with liberties it has taken with some troops, i just thought this was a mistake.

-shrugs- Honestly it might have been a mistake, I just like arguing up, down, backwards and sideways when I see possibilities that people are arguing something has no story, canonical, or locale basis and yet I can see more then a few of them. Especially when geology's brought into the equation.

I would like to point out that if you claim the book lore is the only viable lore, that makes whatever you do in the games completely against the lore, as I'm fairly certain Teclis never conquered Lustria, nor would he do so without the impetus provided in the game. Furthermore, CA has the 'goahead' from GW, which makes what happens in the game canon lore within the games for the Warhammer universe. Which is an odd sentence to have to write come down to it, the games are canon lore in a non-canon scenario. Which is funny to think about.

[Colonial]

"This series about the End Times has a reference to the End Times, worst devs ever"

[Bibi Maghoo]

I like to think of it as 'golden age' WHFB timeline, where in everyone is alive even though some should surely be dead before others were born.

[Bibi Maghoo]

Publicado originalmente por Colonial Commander:

"This series about the End Times has a reference to the End Times, worst devs ever"

Who says the series is about the end times?

[Ser Pounce]

Publicado originalmente por Bibi Maghoo:

This happened like once in end times lore and with a very specific pyramid. I love this game, but I love correct lore as well. Why have you done this?

Also thanks for another great DLC, perhaps the best yet based on what I have played.

You're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me ? Are you looking for ANY reasonn to whine ? FFS, deal with it, it's not like it's preventing you to play -____-