Death Globe Bombardiers obsolete?

[Mr. Ape]

They're 50 points more expensive than Ratling guns, yet they have less DPS (against single unit), less range, they're bad against skirmishers, and are more vulnerable to cav charges.

The only advantage they have over the ratling guns is their arc of fire (being able to toss over the front lines).

Other than that, the Ratling gun seems superior in every way. Does anyone still use the bombardiers?

[Ambushbob]

best part is if you can position the ratling guns on a slope you can shoot over your front line

[Retsuo]

That's basically it: you can position your death globers behind your front line, while the ratling's won't shoot through your own rats.

[loganjamesalex]

Ikit gives 0 bonuses to globes upkeep or cost or buffs so I don't use them anymore.

[Emilia Tempest]

Originally posted by Rezaiga:

That's basically it: you can position your death globers behind your front line, while the ratling's won't shoot through your own rats.

Still bu#lshit.
Why u no shooting thru your own army? I know a game where the ratlinggunners doenst give a f#ck about its allys.

Can understand if its stormvermin but... slaverats/clanrats? Cmon.

[RED /(Weber)\]

Originally posted by Pikachux_pert:

Originally posted by Rezaiga:

That's basically it: you can position your death globers behind your front line, while the ratling's won't shoot through your own rats.

Still bu#lshit.
Why u no shooting thru your own army? I know a game where the ratlinggunners doenst give a f#ck about its allys.

Can understand if its stormvermin but... slaverats/clanrats? Cmon.

Between the questions about misfiring and this, can't the Skaven just have one good thing?

[Retsuo]

Originally posted by Pikachux_pert:

Originally posted by Rezaiga:

That's basically it: you can position your death globers behind your front line, while the ratling's won't shoot through your own rats.

Still bu#lshit.
Why u no shooting thru your own army? I know a game where the ratlinggunners doenst give a f#ck about its allys.

Can understand if its stormvermin but... slaverats/clanrats? Cmon.

I know right? I had <skavenslaves> taking on the enemy line and they still wouldn't shoot through them. Dudes, seriously? They're literally designed slash bred <to be shot through>.

[Kaaz]

Death globes will still be better at shredding a unit quicker (dps is equal but globes do it in a large burst and its aoe), just at a shorter range but potentially safer.

[Ambushbob]

also if you can get the enemy clusterd up globes are awsome its like short ranged artilary

[Ferreus the Umbral Arrow]

In campaign, the globes are indeed obsolete IF you are playing Ikit as his special workshop doesn't buff them. Plus, ratling gunners get endless ammo with Ikit. I dunno how worth they are with other skaven, as I still think ratling guns will do more work.
In multiplayer? Never really saw them, and doubt I'd see more now with ratling gunners.

The globadiers were always niche. In older campaigns I'd rather just have more artillery than the glob throwers.

[kekkuli]

I would say warpfire throwers are obsolete now when we have ratlings. Death globes can still have their uses.

[Wyvern]

Deathglobes require no positioning and have massive splash. They lack versatility for sure, but in the niche of infantry killer, theyre far superior to the other skaven units.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Alith Anar (The Shadow King):

In campaign, the globes are indeed obsolete IF you are playing Ikit as his special workshop doesn't buff them. Plus, ratling gunners get endless ammo with Ikit. I dunno how worth they are with other skaven, as I still think ratling guns will do more work.
In multiplayer? Never really saw them, and doubt I'd see more now with ratling gunners.

The globadiers were always niche. In older campaigns I'd rather just have more artillery than the glob throwers.

Don't have game open atm, but isn't the buff to ratling guns a one time replenish ammo? I don't think it actually gives you infinite ammo.

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

Originally posted by Alith Anar (The Shadow King):

In campaign, the globes are indeed obsolete IF you are playing Ikit as his special workshop doesn't buff them. Plus, ratling gunners get endless ammo with Ikit. I dunno how worth they are with other skaven, as I still think ratling guns will do more work.
In multiplayer? Never really saw them, and doubt I'd see more now with ratling gunners.

The globadiers were always niche. In older campaigns I'd rather just have more artillery than the glob throwers.

Don't have game open atm, but isn't the buff to ratling guns a one time replenish ammo? I don't think it actually gives you infinite ammo.

no it's unlimited ammo. they can fire faster than it recharges but it will always replenish so they might run out for a short time in really long fights.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by loganjamesalex:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

Don't have game open atm, but isn't the buff to ratling guns a one time replenish ammo? I don't think it actually gives you infinite ammo.

no it's unlimited ammo. they can fire faster than it recharges but it will always replenish so they might run out for a short time in really long fights.

My mistake, must have gotten it confused with something else, maybe the WoM recharge.

[zefyris]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

Deathglobes require no positioning and have massive splash. They lack versatility for sure, but in the niche of infantry killer, theyre far superior to the other skaven units.

yup, agreed. Even with ikit too, DG Globadiers are the scariest skaven unit to have in range of fire.
I could allow a ratling gun to fire at my troops before dealing with it, but when playing against skaven, I'll never ever allow DGG to reach their range of fire. Those things can decimate important units in a matter of seconds. Especially agaisnt high elves where being above or below half health makes a huge difference, death globes can shut down elite infantry so well it's crazy. Of course they're always going to be focused due to that so I bet they'll never fire in MP, but hey.

Originally posted by loganjamesalex:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

Don't have game open atm, but isn't the buff to ratling guns a one time replenish ammo? I don't think it actually gives you infinite ammo.

no it's unlimited ammo. they can fire faster than it recharges but it will always replenish so they might run out for a short time in really long fights.

it's really close of it though, one reason being that their LoS requierement will force them to move regularly, so actually keeping enemies in LoS long enough to deplete the regenerating ammo is , from my experience at least, never happening.