Total War: WARHAMMER II

Total War: WARHAMMER II

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Iriath Zhul May 28, 2019 @ 9:06am
Why is Chaos bad
If Chaos is truly chaotic, why isn't there a "nice" side to Chaos? It's always fire and blood and metal spikes, which seems like a pretty orderly attempt to be anti-human. You'd think a chaotic intrusion of the netherworld would occasionally result in weird but nice things like butterflies or whatever
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Floppy May 28, 2019 @ 1:39pm 
Originally posted by Iriath Zhul:
That is true. Maybe Chaos just looks "bad" because Warhammer is fixated on, uh, war, and so the violent, destructive aspects of the Chaos gods get top billing.

That´s because most of the lore is written from the perspective of the Empire.

To the northmen Khorne stands for positive aspects aswell. Honour, courage, tenacity. Tzeentch for knowledge but also change, changes of fortune (good or bad) or the seasons for example.
Slaanesh for all things beautiful in the world, music, art, passion.
Nurgle is the lord of pestilence and decay but he is also praised when a healthy child is born.

Also to the tribes of the north the four great gods are top of pantheon of lots of minor deities and spirits they worship. Most of which are local to a specific tribe or region.

Anyhow, they don´t see the chaos gods as evil but more like a force of nature. And unlike the silent gods of the south, the effects that the chaos gods have on the world are quite tangible and undeniable. To them resenting the chaos gods is like resenting sunset, or ebb and tide.


Seven Samurott May 28, 2019 @ 1:51pm 
Think of it more as a case of branding. All the gods of Warhammer are Chaos Gods because they are formed from the ideals and emotions of the races they preside over.

The four gods associated with Chaos are formed from powerful negative emotions that all races possess. Khorne is Hatred, Tzeentch is Ambition without restraint, Nurgle is Despair, and Slaanesh is Sin. They have more layers but this is what they are if you boil them down to their essence.

The Chaos Gods are also paradoxical beings because if they ever truly "won" they would cease to exist because the reason they exist is because of mortals. Tzeentch for example, is always scheming, but his schemes have no end because that would mean the end of change.
river May 28, 2019 @ 1:58pm 
What they stand for tries to be opposite of the other factions. It's a theme of contrasts to convey the war. Necessity is the mother of invention, thus they have what counters what good has. They both have a task and roles. The story moves forward and what they have is effective at defeating everything the good factions have to fight back with. It stays within a certain artistic mold as well to be distinct in its presentation and entirety. It was expanded a lot over time, band it became sufficient enough to have enough things going on to stay engaging and branch into lots of different twists and turns in lore.

I really dont like how WHF ended and went into AoS. I think it should have kept going and being expanded on, not kill off the world and reinvent it. I think that was to rebrand itself to garner more attention, but WHF is better than all the other ones.

Chaos is basically on placeholder difficulty too until the end of game 3. A scaled back version as people learn the game and lore and progress towards the finale.
Last edited by river; May 28, 2019 @ 2:03pm
Voxrox May 28, 2019 @ 2:14pm 
Questions like this end you on the pyre...while holy flames consume your corrupted body and damned soul, you might find the answer
Alister May 28, 2019 @ 3:35pm 
Are you truly asking why EVIL cannot be GOOD?
river May 28, 2019 @ 3:37pm 
Originally posted by Alister Porcupine:
Are you truly asking why EVIL cannot be GOOD?

Because evil is....DumB.
PureH May 29, 2019 @ 2:56am 
Dont know what your talking about, Chaos is very much the good guys. Its the Vile Elves that are the bad ones! Chaos is like democracy. 4 big parties that you vote for... with your soul. Blood for the Blood god and Skulls for the Skull Throne!
子不是字 May 29, 2019 @ 1:31pm 
Originally posted by the Spanish Inquisition:
Originally posted by Iriath Zhul:
That is true. Maybe Chaos just looks "bad" because Warhammer is fixated on, uh, war, and so the violent, destructive aspects of the Chaos gods get top billing.

They represent extremes, nurgle is life taken to its extreme form. Microorganismes on mass, that is why his guys are all rottten.

Chaos is evil because they will force their extremes on anyone no matter what damage they do and they are misguided enough to believe what they do is good for everyone.
By that argument the imperium is evil too seeing as they will force you to join them and if you don't worship the emperor, they will label you a heretic and kill you or force you to follow the emperor :^)
Wh♂♂par May 29, 2019 @ 1:32pm 
Originally posted by spaghet cat:
Originally posted by the Spanish Inquisition:

They represent extremes, nurgle is life taken to its extreme form. Microorganismes on mass, that is why his guys are all rottten.

Chaos is evil because they will force their extremes on anyone no matter what damage they do and they are misguided enough to believe what they do is good for everyone.
By that argument the imperium is evil too seeing as they will force you to join them and if you don't worship the emperor, they will label you a heretic and kill you or force you to follow the emperor :^)
Everything is very grey in Warhammer.
TotallynotaBot May 29, 2019 @ 1:51pm 
Papa Nurgle is quite a nice guy.
子不是字 May 29, 2019 @ 1:52pm 
Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:
Originally posted by spaghet cat:
By that argument the imperium is evil too seeing as they will force you to join them and if you don't worship the emperor, they will label you a heretic and kill you or force you to follow the emperor :^)
Everything is very grey in Warhammer.
maybe in fantasy, but not in 40k
Rhedd May 29, 2019 @ 10:31pm 
I've never seen so many heretics in one place without it being burned to the ground.
kkc495 May 30, 2019 @ 12:11am 
Chaos represent evil, period.
子不是字 May 30, 2019 @ 6:14am 
Originally posted by Butcher:
Originally posted by spaghet cat:
maybe in fantasy, but not in 40k
In 40k every god is created by orks, because orks believe that those gods exist. Emperor himself alive only because orks think he is alive.
That would be awesome if true.
Donut Steel May 30, 2019 @ 7:45am 
Originally posted by kkc495:
Chaos represent evil, period.

There's a lot more to this statement than meets the eye.

The Chaos gods, often referred to as 'the Dark gods', are villains. They are evil. This is a justified claim because evil seeks to destroy good and what best-represents good in the setting is something that is barely portrayed at all; the innocents who are victims to all the wrongs of the world.

However, it's not enough to just say that Chaos is evil because it preys on the innocent. Even the forces of Order don't protect the innocent out of pure nobility, but as a strategic resource supplying kingdoms and armies. If you're a peasant in Sylvania, you're not much worse-off than anyone in Reiksland; because Vampires need you just as much as any Elector Counts do.

Chaos is evil because it reflects the exact wrongs of everyone else, but presents it in a different way; some would say a more honest way. People can be hypocritical, inconsistent and irrational, but mask it behind the facade of Order. Chaos does not permit that facade. Order protects the weak only insofar as it fuels the powerful, Chaos slaughters the weak to fuel the powerful.

Chaos represents evil, but the evil does not originate with Chaos.
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