To kill or to help: Mutants.

[Wh♂♂par]

Without the general lore consensus of
"Just burn it, bois"
is there legitimate reason in lore, also, to try and help/heal/cure/simply let live a stranger mutant, if you're no Chaos worshipper?

[Dr. Uncredible]

Basic empathy?
I mean the Warhammer world is a grim place full of grim, paranoid people, but it´s not beyond reason that someone would lend sympathy to a non-monstrous mutant.

[Chameon]

They're still people.

Not. Joking. They are people in every way, they think similarly, react similarly to most stimuli and have similar needs and wants.

There are exceptions, but this is true with nonmutants as well. So basically, repeat the question, but replace the word mutants with poor people, and you can decide from there.

[Wh♂♂par]

But is that so, really? Aren't they destined for a path of/to ruination? And thus eradication is correct? Or is it really just the xenophobia that gets a hold of most human empires?

CAN they be cured? Just snip that part of, if possible and "stay vigilant and abstinent from bad thoughts"?

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

But is that so, really? Aren't they destined for a path of/to ruination? And thus eradication is correct? Or is it really just the xenophobia that gets a hold of most human empires?

CAN they be cured? Just snip that part of, if possible and "stay vigilant and abstinent from bad thoughts"?

Supposedly they are, but this is usually "as far as the citizens of the empire knows", back in the day we here in europe used to hold that very same belief, if less severe.

There´s always the possibility of... I can´t find the word, too early, but the idea that -because- any mutants are automatically seen as creatures of darkness they are actively driven towards chaos worship because, why not, as far as they know they are allready damned, and the treatment from their peers mean they most likely fear their fellow man more than the dark forces.

Off to work now, shame, interesting topic!

[Wh♂♂par]

I thought similarly, that maybe the xenophobia is a driving force of expanding the followers of Chaos, yet maybe it's just keeping their numbers down, too.

Hope there were some points in lore that explain it in the universe.

[Jicho87]

Though on rare occasion mutants are spared by those that hunt down chaos but, there is no cure. Some may very well be innocent in some form but once marked by it the mark remains. It goes beyond the physical realm and in fact is a scar upon the soul that is there even after death.

[Chronoreaper]

From most lore there is examples of Mutants being Ruinationous monsters automatically but that wasn't the case for a vast majority of them, most are pushed towards it out of fear and propaganda from the Empire and generally other city states/factions as a whole because they fear Chaos and they know what it can do, its why a Witch Hunter will burn a whole village if they find a Cult out of fear its already infected the non chaos people there thats just how it is, some do live in the Empire in secret as they'll either cut out or conceal there mutations or growths but sometimes it can flare out of control (tentacle arms can do that).

Now if there was a village who didn't kill there mutant children and such they can live normally a full happy life (as peasantry can get i suppose) long as they don't dabble in magic, hell Beastmen would be the same way if people didn't toss there children out into the wild as a Mutant either that would mean they can be taught to avoid Chaos and worthship those that stem its tide like Ulfric or Sigmar but given this is Warhammer i doubt it'll ever happen even if its renewed when that Age of Sigmar crap burns down.

Sadly there souls are marked by chaos and i doubt other gods can remove it without a ♥♥♥♥ ton of effort and there is no widespread cure, not even 40ks tech level can cure it.

[Sins]

The assumption is that mutants are naturally destined to be evil Chaos-worshippers.

An alternative, equally plausible view might be that if everyone around you wants you dead because you're evil, you don't exactly have any stake in the status quo and have plenty of motive to burn it all down. A "good mutant" becomes an oxymoron, because nobody has ever met a mutant they didn't kill or drive out of society. Up until they were revealed to be a mutant, they were just a normal, upstanding member of the village.

Consider though that some can conceal their mutation indefinitely with no harm to others, some will be perfectly fine people until revealed or executed, and the town of Uesin exists. Its more likely that mutants are driven into the arms of Chaos than being Always Chaotic Evil.

[Wh♂♂par]

So, in lore, once there, it's an open gate for Chaos in your mind/soul/body and it is just a matter of time until it decides to flow through it and corrupt whatever it can find - you first? No key to lock it, no bars to shut, no prayer to fight it or atleast stop it from becoming stronger?

Even, or especially, if you are born a mutant?

If only there were a way to add a completely immune to Chaos race into Warhammer. Akin to Dwarfs, just not as technologically advanced. More on the cooking side of activities.

I wonder which race could fill in that role... Hmmmmmmmmm.

[Wh♂♂par]

What I still really enjoy about Chaos is it's simplicity in premise, but complexity in execution.

It's just nature coming back at you. That no matter how hard you try to get all the bad habits out of your system (societal and personal), there will always be a counter-stream, there will always be something to bite you in the butt. Everything about it is just a simplified version of what humans yet can't understand, condensed into a fantasy themed middle finger to building a functional society.

[Harmania]

Help or kill on personal merit. Individual mutants are marked by various gods, but that doesn't mean much outside of the possibility--or rather inevitability--of divine intervention, someone can be targeted by a god and not serve them--like Valkia the Bloody--or be benefited by a god, and not really like, care? Such as Saltspite, who got a boon from their god, then proceeded to just live their life normally.

[Chronoreaper]

So i got curious when you mentioned Uesin and im amazed to see a village of Mutants existing, if shame it wasn't expanded on because this could've been its own faction! literally the only option for good Mutants and Beastmen (since some of them are mutants grown by Beastment anyway).

More surprised it was a Bretonian one given there odd ways of thinking but then again they aren't fanatical sigmarites.

[Harmania]

Originally posted by Chronoreaper:

So i got curious when you mentioned Uesin and im amazed to see a village of Mutants existing, if shame it wasn't expanded on because this could've been its own faction! literally the only option for good Mutants and Beastmen (since some of them are mutants grown by Beastment anyway).

More surprised it was a Bretonian one given there odd ways of thinking but then again they aren't fanatical sigmarites.

The Red Duke is a Bretonnian vampire that uses a mixed living/undead roster of vampire knights, black grail skeletons, and Mutant peasantry.

[MoroKahn|DL|]

well... aranessa is a mutant, and she was quite nice and a good "guy" in dreadfleet.

but the problem in my interpretation of the lore is, that chaos has tainted somebody, and it requires a realy strong will to free yourself from the connection to the warp, to avoid being mutated further on a "windy" day (yay friendship is magic.... and magic is heresy. grimdorkness) or driven insane and become the propagated, child-eating chaos-worshipper all humans south of norsca fear (well even in norsca they do...)

humans are intollerant,
orges arent. 'nother head? noice, faster feasting with two mouths to chew meat with.
'nother arm? tripple noice beat things faster, catch more food.
worshipping chaos? pff if i feel like it maybe tomorrow.

[Ben Argo]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

So, in lore, once there, it's an open gate for Chaos in your mind/soul/body and it is just a matter of time until it decides to flow through it and corrupt whatever it can find - you first? No key to lock it, no bars to shut, no prayer to fight it or atleast stop it from becoming stronger?

Even, or especially, if you are born a mutant?

If only there were a way to add a completely immune to Chaos race into Warhammer. Akin to Dwarfs, just not as technologically advanced. More on the cooking side of activities.

I wonder which race could fill in that role... Hmmmmmmmmm.

Was this thread just an excuse to segue into halflings?