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3 Dwarf and 1 Bretonnia lore related question.
Okay so i dont know much about the lore, but i just wanna know some stuff.
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So for the dwarf one, I remember reading something about the dwarves having like little robots that could fight for them. is this cannon? Like i'm assuming its something its a tech that got lost in the war of the beard. But still.

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If it is, why dont we have something like that in the game? I mean to be honest it would be really freaking cool to see some robot things (i dont care if they're weak or strong) alongside the dwarves in battle.

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If its not, what exactly makes the dwarves the most technologically advanced faction? I mean they have Organ guns, sure. But Empire has steam tanks (only 12 but still). And yea they have gyrocopters but skaven have lightning cannons, Gatling guns and even a nuke. I mean... Maybe theres something lore wise the game doesnt have, but to be honest id say that Empire and skaven are more advanced.

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As for the bretonnia one... So this is my favorite faction and I've heard three things.
1.Ze lady is a chaos goddess who helps Bretonnia...
2.Ze lady is a normal Goddess who helps Bretonnia...

and 3. Ze lady is a douchey little elf goddess who doesnt care at all about Bretonnia other than making them her personal little elf army despite the fact that bretonnia kinda wars with the wood elves allot...


Obviously I'm patial to the 1st and 2nd. Which one is cannon? I mean obviously i dont want her being a punk to the bretonnians since there my favorite faction but i guess thats why I'm asking...
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I can tell you about the bretonnia thing. End Times confirms Ze Lady is Lileath, an elven goddess. It's not that she doesn't care about Bretonnia per se, it's just that she's using them to handpick the best of them to join her as her personal retinue of bodyguards to... survive Chaos I think? But she's definitely aided bretonnia either way and helped them flourish.

I don't think dwarves have robots.

They're the most technologically advanced faction that has technology that doesn't explode 1/2 of the times it's used. Skaven tech is great but also malfunctions and blows up all the time (something that isn't present in tw)
Wyvern Jun 21, 2019 @ 7:12pm 
Originally posted by General Skarr:
Okay so i dont know much about the lore, but i just wanna know some stuff.
1
So for the dwarf one, I remember reading something about the dwarves having like little robots that could fight for them. is this cannon? Like i'm assuming its something its a tech that got lost in the war of the beard. But still.

2
If it is, why dont we have something like that in the game? I mean to be honest it would be really freaking cool to see some robot things (i dont care if they're weak or strong) alongside the dwarves in battle.

3
If its not, what exactly makes the dwarves the most technologically advanced faction? I mean they have Organ guns, sure. But Empire has steam tanks (only 12 but still). And yea they have gyrocopters but skaven have lightning cannons, Gatling guns and even a nuke. I mean... Maybe theres something lore wise the game doesnt have, but to be honest id say that Empire and skaven are more advanced.

1
As for the bretonnia one... So this is my favorite faction and I've heard three things.
1.Ze lady is a chaos goddess who helps Bretonnia...
2.Ze lady is a normal Goddess who helps Bretonnia...

and 3. Ze lady is a douchey little elf goddess who doesnt care at all about Bretonnia other than making them her personal little elf army despite the fact that bretonnia kinda wars with the wood elves allot...


Obviously I'm patial to the 1st and 2nd. Which one is cannon? I mean obviously i dont want her being a punk to the bretonnians since there my favorite faction but i guess thats why I'm asking...
1)There isn't really much of anything concrete about them in lore, they're basically myths from before the Dwarfs even fought the high elves(and as far as im aware the dwarfs didnt really lose technology during the war of the beard).
2)Because the game is based on TT rosters, in which they weren't included, and as mentioned above the unit is barely loreful(if at all) and little more than a small blurb of ancient dwarfen prowess.
3)The dwarfs aren't necessarily the most technologically advanced faction, and they've never been implied to be. They're the most effective at distributing high technology on a mass scale and keeping it safe to use. They have literal ironclads and submarines, they have steam engined gyrocopters, flame throwers and anti-tank rockets. They supposedly have steam engines used for mining drills etc.

In comparison, Empire has 12 tanks it can't replicate, mechanical horses, rockets and the ability to produce giant landships,(and some fancy handguns and artillery pieces). None of these are as reliable as dwarf tech, though it is worth mentioning that the empire still distributes tech on a grander scale than skaven and chaos dorfs, and while dwarfs can infuse their tech with runes, the empire can create some insanely powerful technological+magical marvels like the luminark since they can actually use magic.

Skaven tech is arguably the most advanced, including rail networks, pseudo-telephones(far-squeakers), warp lightning cannons, man portable mortars, ratling guns, mutated/manufactured monsters, mini-nukes, manufactured plagues etc, but it all relies on super unstable warpstone, is not available in huge numbers relative to the whole army(as opposed to the massive amount of handguns empire and dwarfs can deploy) and is often just shoddy in construction/design.

Finally, Chaos Dwarfs are the last of the 4 top-tech contenders, and they replace the instability of warpstone with the instability of bound demons. Their tech is very limited in quantity, and there are very few chaos dwarfs to begin with(though i guess all of them are relatively well equipped). That said, their artillery is stupidly powerful, they're able to forge all sorts of demonic monstrosities, and have some pretty crazy handguns, as well as lots of land-based steam vehicles to transport their artillery around.

1)b(for brettonia)
She's Lileath, an elven goddess, though the idea that she is exploiting the brettonians as a shield is not really confirmed nor even supported. The woodies use the Brets as a shield and try to buidl better relations with them for that purpose, but that's not the goddesses work. Also, all Warhammer gods are entities in the warp/entities of chaos, that's not something unique to the chaos gods, its just that the 4 chaos gods are kinda the strongest.
wwolf69 Jun 21, 2019 @ 7:20pm 
AFAIK Empire tanks was made by some dwarven Leonardo.
SpiffyGonzales Jun 21, 2019 @ 7:41pm 
Originally posted by Kaelus Von Sestiaf:
I can tell you about the bretonnia thing. End Times confirms Ze Lady is Lileath, an elven goddess. It's not that she doesn't care about Bretonnia per se, it's just that she's using them to handpick the best of them to join her as her personal retinue of bodyguards to... survive Chaos I think? But she's definitely aided bretonnia either way and helped them flourish.

I don't think dwarves have robots.

They're the most technologically advanced faction that has technology that doesn't explode 1/2 of the times it's used. Skaven tech is great but also malfunctions and blows up all the time (something that isn't present in tw)

Well... That sucks... I mean i guess it doesnt make bretonnia boring or anything. Just that knowing that the badass knights who go off fighting monsters with superhuman strength are nothing more than stupid strong men who are being exploited kinda kills the faction for me :/
nord2hammer Jun 21, 2019 @ 8:09pm 
Originally posted by General Skarr:

Well... That sucks... I mean i guess it doesnt make bretonnia boring or anything. Just that knowing that the badass knights who go off fighting monsters with superhuman strength are nothing more than stupid strong men who are being exploited kinda kills the faction for me :/

Well no you got misinformed there....Here's a bit of the actual lore-

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lileath
SpiffyGonzales Jun 21, 2019 @ 8:28pm 
Originally posted by nord2hammer:
Originally posted by General Skarr:

Well... That sucks... I mean i guess it doesnt make bretonnia boring or anything. Just that knowing that the badass knights who go off fighting monsters with superhuman strength are nothing more than stupid strong men who are being exploited kinda kills the faction for me :/

Well no you got misinformed there....Here's a bit of the actual lore-

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lileath

Just read it. Still feels like she's just using them. But hey, from what i hear everyone has their own reason for hating the end times. I guess this is mine.
Holy Fool Sehrael Jun 21, 2019 @ 9:18pm 
Just because I am confused: are we talking about the Lady of the Lake or the Fey Enchantress? And what exactly IS the Fey Enchantress? I only know that she kinda respawns if she dies - lorewise - but not much more :D I always "felt" that she may have elven relations too and may be related to the Athel Loren WE-queen.
SpiffyGonzales Jun 21, 2019 @ 9:40pm 
Originally posted by LibraExAnima:
Just because I am confused: are we talking about the Lady of the Lake or the Fey Enchantress? And what exactly IS the Fey Enchantress? I only know that she kinda respawns if she dies - lorewise - but not much more :D I always "felt" that she may have elven relations too and may be related to the Athel Loren WE-queen.

The Lady of the Lake. The ones the bretonnians worship. The fay is basically her vassal. Like she listens to the lady and says what the lady wants.

And yea, i think shes usually an elf.

I know a tiny bit about the lore.
nord2hammer Jun 21, 2019 @ 9:53pm 
Originally posted by LibraExAnima:
Just because I am confused: are we talking about the Lady of the Lake or the Fey Enchantress? And what exactly IS the Fey Enchantress? I only know that she kinda respawns if she dies - lorewise - but not much more :D I always "felt" that she may have elven relations too and may be related to the Athel Loren WE-queen.

She was human(but really was the daughter of Lileath),then turned into a vampire & sacrificed so Nagash could be reborn....good times.
Last edited by nord2hammer; Jun 22, 2019 @ 9:35am
nord2hammer Jun 21, 2019 @ 10:09pm 
Originally posted by General Skarr:
Originally posted by nord2hammer:

Well no you got misinformed there....Here's a bit of the actual lore-

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lileath

Just read it. Still feels like she's just using them. But hey, from what i hear everyone has their own reason for hating the end times. I guess this is mine.

..she was trying to save humanity.
Read the follow up with Age of Sigmar.
RED /(Weber)\ Jun 21, 2019 @ 11:36pm 
Originally posted by nord2hammer:
Read the follow up with Age of Sigmar.

Mmmmm not gonna happen.
SpiffyGonzales Jun 21, 2019 @ 11:39pm 
Originally posted by nord2hammer:
Originally posted by General Skarr:

Just read it. Still feels like she's just using them. But hey, from what i hear everyone has their own reason for hating the end times. I guess this is mine.

..she was trying to save humanity.
Read the follow up with Age of Sigmar.

Meh. Its just the fact that the lady isnt even the lady. Like imagine if all those crusaders found out that god is actually the buhdist god but its okay because it was all to protect nirvanna.

It aint at all the same.
Holy Fool Sehrael Jun 22, 2019 @ 4:43am 
Originally posted by nord2hammer:
Originally posted by LibraExAnima:
Just because I am confused: are we talking about the Lady of the Lake or the Fey Enchantress? And what exactly IS the Fey Enchantress? I only know that she kinda respawns if she dies - lorewise - but not much more :D I always "felt" that she may have elven relations too and may be related to the Athel Loren WE-queen.

She was human,then turned into a vampire & sacrificed so Nagash could be reborn....good times.
Dafuq, so they Fey Enchantress was kinda evil in that story?
zefyris Jun 22, 2019 @ 5:05am 
Bretonnia land is a former Elven land (that was full of elven colonies. those colonies were discarded at the end of the war of the beard and the elves who chose to remain here went in the forest, becoming wood elves). This is why those lands have a more faery-like ambiance than other human lands.
It should therefore come to no surprise that a divinity-like entity found in this land (IE, lady of the lake) is related to elven Gods in one way or another.
When Ariel, one of the walking avatarof Isha, encountered the Lady of the Lake, she mentionned that she was something "simmilar to her". So indeed, an avatar of another elven god makes sense.
So rather than being Lileath herself (which is something that is end times only IIRC, and therefore not cannon to anything but AoS that came afterwards), she's most probably an elven god avatar, simmilar to Ariel, but one who choose to help humans instead after the elves left her behind.
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