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Warhammer Fantasy Battle and Warhammer 40,000 are seperate universes.
There is no definate crossover. There are occasional hints, due to the authors being clever/silly/amused.
They were made by the same people at the same time in the same tone (grim, dark, doomed, with extra spikes), and so they've happily used many elements in each:
The same Chaos Gods
Fungal Greenskins (a cop-out in the 8th edition, IMO)
Aesthetics of the Dark Eldar / Drukhari, and so on.
There are Greenskins in Fantasy, and they spent most of the editions being Orcs&Goblins instead of Greenskins.
The Warhammer World, after 8 editions of mayhem, was officially abandoned (in terms of new material), blown up (the End Times storyline) and replaced (by Age of Sigmar) a few years back.
General opinion on these forums is that this was a tragic waste of a perfectly good setting...
This game(s) is nevertheless, set in the 8th edition of the Warhammer Fantasy Battles setting.
The Warhammer World is NOT in a corner of the 40k galaxy. Or an alternate timeline. Or a different time. Sigmar is NOT a missing Primarch.
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Two different settings, built by the same people using many of the same bits.
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Does that clear it up?
As i understand it, the ones in gamesworkshop that made 40k (before it was even called 40k) didn't intend for it to be as popular as it ended up being, but once they got a lot of positive responses for it they ended up making it for real.
Now days there are huge differences between 40k and fantasy and while they are somewhat related there is nothing really connecting the two universes anymore.
Note that all my information in this subject is second hand. So while i believe its correct overall there may be some details that have been warped.
- Dwarves aren't in 40K, they just aren't around. Same goes with the Lizards and most Undead. (Tomb Kings become Necrons)
- The Tau of 40K have no Fantasy equivalent. Tyrannids too.
- Skaven may be in 40K, but not as an actual faction, just very minor pests on some worlds.
- The toad-guys that command the Lizardmen -were- in 40K, but they died out because they created the Orks. And forgot to include an 'off switch'.
- The Elves in Fantasy are doing about as well as any other faction. In 40K, they're dying, wholesale, unable to reproduce to replace their numbers.
- The human Emperor in Fantasy is up and about and participating in the world. In 40K, he's a body on a throne. It's not entirely clear if he's alive or not.
- In 40K, Exterminatus is a thing humans can do. It annihilates worlds. Imagine a single nuke that can turn the entire surface of Earth into the surface of the Moon. There's no equivalent in Fantasy, if only because there's no 'rebuilding' possible after.
And that's just off the top of my head. There's no doubt a ton more minutiae that differentiates the two.
Not completely accurate. Dwarves are a thing in 40k but they do not use the name, rather they are called Squats. They even used to have their own army early days of warhammer 40k. However their home world was eaten by Tyranids at some point (something that was just mentioned in passing btw). But they are still a recognised strain of subhuman in the empire meaning they are still around in the universe/lore even if they do not have their own army anymore.
I mean, in practice you are correct, they aren't really a thing anymore. But it would be lore friendly to have some dwarf looking guardsmen as a imperial guard army.
If you are talking about the Slann then no, they are as far as i know not in 40k. The race that created the orks are more akin to the old ones (the masters of the Slann and lizardmen in fantasy). As far as i know their appearance have not been revealed in neither fantasy nor 40k and its debatable if that lore is still canon (Much of the early lore has been debunked or rewritten. For example the mass sacrifice of shamans that created the emperor, that is no longer part of the lore).
Also a tad wrong. Eldar (the good elves) reproduce extremely rarely/slowly (not enough to keep up the population figures, their numbers were in a decline as you mentioned), but dark eldar (the bad elves) does not have that issue thanks to something akin to vat grown children (I think it uses actual wombs ripped out of women, but you get the idea).
Also, recently the Eldar, Dark Eldar and some other minor Eldar factions have all united. I haven't read the latest stuff so i'm not sure how that alliance is going at this time (a lot is happening in 40k lore now days, primarch's returning and stuff).
While their slow reproductive cycle is indeed part of the reason for their decline, the main issue is Slaanesh (with the help of its followers/minions/servants/etc) constantly trying to eat every Eldars soul (or in case of the Dark Eldar, actually succeeding in eating their souls but it takes forever and the buggers have figured out a way to survive having their soul slowly eaten).
https://youtu.be/FyeoBm5QFnA?t=755
They look an awful lot like Slann, don't they? At least, until they went Ascension and turned into spirit entities. Bruva Alfabusa's pretty reliable as lore goes, but I can't say where he got it from. He might've just assumed.
I have seen (and highly enjoyed) the series, but as far as i know that depiction on the old ones is not official lore.
As i see it the "If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device" series is not meant to be completely lore friendly but rather a fun parody of 40k. As a example they use the old now removed "emperor was created by sacrificing shamans" lore and i believe they fill in other blanks with whatever they feel like (but it often fits together nicely and is highly enjoyable).
That said, them being reptiles similar to the Slann is a popular theory.
It should also be mentioned that there is a lot of old lore (that may or may not be canon lore at this time) that conflicts with some of the new lore. Games workshop can quite literally change any part of the lore they want at the drop of a hat and they sometimes do, so wh40k lore has always been in a bit of constant flux.
Me. Also flagged as Space Orks. I think that was Rogue Trader, aka the first edition of 40k. So up to.... 1993?
Egad, over 20 years ago....
I have the book. Space Marines looked cool back then :( way more grounded and realistic.
-Greater good concept likely inspired by Wood Elves, Tyranids can be equated with Skaven far as suggesting comprable armies for the table top
-Skaven are in fact a listed army in 8th edition, unlike Bretonnia
-Old Ones are never confirmed to have been taken out by the orcs, quite the opposite; they vanished before they finished them hence why their superior anti-chaos shock troops are stupid as ♥♥♥♥, Eldar/Elves in both are their actual doom
-Eldar can reproduce, not sure what fluff you got that from, their curse only in 40k is that all of their souls belong to Slaneesh from the fall, and they mostly all live on floating exodus ships since their home world became the centre of the eye of chaos, however not all eldar even live on the craftworld, some have planet side colonies, and from any fluff ive ever read, their peace time day to day life is the closest to a 21st century society in 40k. As for slaneesh unless they trap them in soul stones slaneesh will devour them upon death, which is old fluff too, now that the eldar god of death is back even the drucharii have been freed from slaneesh's grasp upon death. Arguably in 40k in general all factions are worse off with the threats they face as opposed to pre-end times fantasy
-The Emperor in 40k is the Star-Child, his equavalent in fantasy is sigmar, not the current mortal emperor
In the long-long ago 40k was the direct future of fantasy fluff-wise, but GW deemed that, as I agree, completely silly, and as the fluff went on the past of 40k just became real history/our past.