Archeon not coming?

[Kindredblades]

Hi! I've been crushing the armies of chaos I don't know how many times by now in ME, but Archeon is still not coming so I can't finish my campaign. Our alliance of dwarfs and men is dominating the continent and we're destroying their armies pretty much as soon as they are spawning. Could that be an issue?

Thanks.

[petri.piira]

You need to get "enough" settlements or wait for long "enough" for Archaon to come.
I don't know the formula, but it is something like roughly 50 settlemens or about 200 turns.

I heard the trigger is based on a hidden statistic which estimates your power level, but I have never seen an exact formula for that. The above numbers are not exact either.

Start to occupy settlements and see if that helps. (I was in the same situation when I wanted to play a "small empire" game.)

[SwampDragon]

Originally posted by petri.piira:

You need to get "enough" settlements or wait for long "enough" for Archaon to come.
I don't know the formula, but it is something like roughly 50 settlemens or about 200 turns.

I heard the trigger is based on a hidden statistic which estimates your power level, but I have never seen an exact formula for that. The above numbers are not exact either.

Start to occupy settlements and see if that helps. (I was in the same situation when I wanted to play a "small empire" game.)

This is not the case. I just completed the short campaign with diplomacy. I had three provinces the whole game.

Expect lots of Chaos stacks to show up in multiple waves before Archeon joins them. For me it was somewhere around five waves. I just had a couple of stacks sitting at Praag to intercept them.

Keep going, he will come.


EDIT: It is still possible the trigger is somehow connected to your power, just not the number of settlements you own. I was making 10k+ per turn through trade and my power ranking was around 6. I also had a few alliances (which might add to your settlement count), but you have alliances too. It might also be related to turns, but I don't think it's as much as 200. All I can say for certain is that in my game he eventually turned up.

EDIT 2: ...at around turn 160.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Short campaign objectives, but how LONG was the campaign before he showed up?

[SwampDragon]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Short campaign objectives, but how LONG was the campaign before he showed up?

I had only completed around half of the short campaign objectives at that point, and it was around turn 160.

- I was playing as Dwarfs on Legendary.
- I owned 3 provinces and had full alliances with 2 other factions.
- I was around power rank 6.

[petri.piira]

Well, I have seen claims that the initial chaos waves appears at turn 150 (or so) if you are not powerful enough to get it earlier, and Archaon appears at turn 200 (or so). I was googling that a lot, because...

In my "small empire" campaign they appeared pretty close to 150, and then I was stomping those waves for almost 50 turns. I got desperate at about 180 (of the boredom), and occupied some settlements - had to go to southlands for the prime estate, putting me to ~50 at ~turn 200, and he appeared.

Some DLC / patch notes apparently said (at least I read a comment about that) that the trigger settlment numbers are 30 / 50, but I have seen comments it is not true, and comments that there is a time limit. And some comments that your plain strength rating can also trigger it - being in the top 3 would accelerate it. Not sure if I agree.

In WH1 the formula was - from memory - maybe "capital is 4 points, large settlement is 2 points, small is 1 point, 24+ points causes the initial waves, 36+ (?) points causes Archaon". Something like that, it has been years since that.

It would be nice to know what the actual formula is. In WH1 it was possible to game it, staying at 23 points (or whatever) as long as necessary ...

[Kindredblades]

thank you guys! I'm gonna keep going then. Anyway, I didn't ask because it wasn't fun. Always have a blast settling grudges with my mighty Dawi armies. :)

[Inardesco]

Its turn 66 and first chaos eave arrived for me