Confederate or conquer?

[luntacarsus]

Is it worth the effort of trying to get confederation? Do you gain anything out of it except the possibility of recruiting legendary lords?

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

You get, in order of usefulness:
- Legendary Lords
- Cities at higher levels than if you smacked them, often allowing you to recruit units you wouldn't have the capability for
- More heroes than your hero cap allows
- No bloodshed
- Money from demolishing all the useless buildings
- No damage to your own cities from surprise stacks
- You can spend your time focusing real enemies

I go for confederations whenever possible.

[Darth Wadewilson]

And.... If you are brettonia bonus public order buffs.

[Gentlest Giant]

Depends.
If you have your armies do useful conquests elsewhere, waiting up to a potential eternity for the confederee to agree is all fine.
If they are holding onto useful territory that you want soonish, such as early game von Carstein vs Vampire Counts, then no. It's not a good gamble to wait for something up to a potential eternity when you need it nowish.

There's also the hazzle that any territory you gain is militarily weaker than if an AI would hold it. Some confederees are better used as buffer states. Keep in mind that when you confederate, all garrisons you took are immediately wiped, making them easy pickings for any common enemies you had.
If the confederated territory is in a region that your main forces can't protect and you thus need one or more new armies just to protect it, in short term it might be a pretty bad deal. Once the economy catches up and the rebellions stop popping every few turns it usually turns out for the best though.

[Grinch]

The only downsides to confederation are the poorly skilled lords/heroes that will clog up their recruitment page after you kick them out of service.

[Gentlest Giant]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥ Whiskey:

The only downsides to confederation are the poorly skilled lords/heroes that will clog up their recruitment page after you kick them out of service.

...and the global -8 public order penalty. Lol.

[Inardesco]

Only confederate the factions with legendary lords. Kill the rest unless you're Tyrion, sometimes you can get Ulthuan much quicker through confeds than through conquests.

[Ashley]

I just bother for the legendary lords

[AkumulatoR]

I wish there was a way to permanently dismiss heroes. Maybe there's a mod for that, I dunno. That would make getting rid of all those useless heroes with crap skillpoints much easier and therefore would be making me confederate more. Right now I have to round them up, hire random lord, put them in his army and send him on a suicide mission somewhere, tanking upkeep all the time he's alive. Such a pain in the ass.

[Wh♂♂par]

If they're not immortal, isn't it the same as generals?

[OMG My Profile Name Does Not Fi]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

If they're not immortal, isn't it the same as generals?

And even for immortal generals can't you swap them out for a normal lord from their info screen and then dismiss that general?

[Wh♂♂par]

Originally posted by OMG My Profile Name Does Not Fi:

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

If they're not immortal, isn't it the same as generals?

And even for immortal generals can't you swap them out for a normal lord from their info screen and then dismiss that general?

Lords are indeed staying on the bench. Heroes always come back automatically with immortality.

[AkumulatoR]

Yeah, what's even worse lords don't tank your upkeep if they're on the bench, while heroes (being limited in quantity) always take a spot, no matter if you "dismiss" them. Murder is the only way to free a spot.

[Holy Fool Sehrael]

Personally I hate confeds. I like the diversity on the map, making it all mine takes all the fun for me, even tho I am all in for military alliances and vassals. Also, I pretty much only play LL's I like and can handle and I only actually fight with that specific lord personally, i.e. Alarielle, Morathi, Orion, Durthu (WE are the only exception), Manny, Khalida... The rest of the LL's can die and be forgotten forever. With generic lords I only autoresolve except if it is a straight forward army where I don't need a lord. Like when playing HE, lots of sisters, a bolt thrower, trees and 2 dragons. It is a very weird habit, I know, but thats how I do it. Generic lords normally just sit at important points for defense and my LL does the conquering if needed.

[MasterJB]

Originally posted by LibraExAnima:

Personally I hate confeds. I like the diversity on the map, making it all mine takes all the fun for me, even tho I am all in for military alliances and vassals. Also, I pretty much only play LL's I like and can handle and I only actually fight with that specific lord personally, i.e. Alarielle, Morathi, Orion, Durthu (WE are the only exception), Manny, Khalida... The rest of the LL's can die and be forgotten forever. With generic lords I only autoresolve except if it is a straight forward army where I don't need a lord. Like when playing HE, lots of sisters, a bolt thrower, trees and 2 dragons. It is a very weird habit, I know, but thats how I do it. Generic lords normally just sit at important points for defense and my LL does the conquering if needed.

Wow, that's a very specific fetish. ^^

[zefyris]

Originally posted by Gentle Giant:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥ Whiskey:

The only downsides to confederation are the poorly skilled lords/heroes that will clog up their recruitment page after you kick them out of service.

...and the global -8 public order penalty. Lol.

That's an advantage though ~



And I'm not a huge fan of confed with other LL either. I'd rather have only the one I've started with or maybe getting another one that I have no plan to play with at any point; but other than that, meh.