Tretch Craventail...What the hell is this?!

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

After watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmh1Yu-THA

I was actually kinda angry at CA...for pulling another Helman Ghorst, making a minor, barely known hero character a legendary lord, again.

I could understand them waiting for the the skaven DLC to release Ikit Claw for Clan Skryre and Thrott the Unclean for Clan Moulder , but there are least 3 other major skaven characters that could, and should be legendary lords instead of Tretch Craventail.

Kratch Doomclaw: Warlord of Clan Rictus.
I do find this all ever so ironic that Tretch is for Clan Rictus instead of Kratch Doomclaw.

I mean, if Clan Rictus is supposed to have more stormvermin than any other skaven clan, I'm willing to wager that you'd not only have to be very cunning, but be an extrememly fierce and ruthless fighter to become the Warlord of what you could possibly call the "Spartan-ish" clan of skavendom. Can only think that

I would think the Kratch would be maybe, maybe second only to Queek in terms of martial skill, when it comes to skaven anyway.

Deathmaster Snikch of Clan Eshin.

I would think that Snikch would be by far the easiest legendary lord for CA to implement. He's just a bigger, more deadly skaven assassin, with a few trinkets and special skills, the skills obviously focus on Clan Eshin units.

And let's not forget our favorite incompitent skaven.

Grey Seer Thanquol. I'm not sure what all to say about him.

He could just be a special, extra powerful Grey Seer who can get a uber Rat Ogre Bonebreaker Boneripper that maybe has a few special abilities based on it's various weapons and so on.

[Hard Gridlock]

Re: Greyseer Thanquol

It would be more important for him to give global bonuses to Grey Seers, such as reduced upkeep in Grey Seer armies and bonus loyalty points on recruitment. He would likely get his own unique Screaming Bell.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by The Cerulean Rodent:

Re: Greyseer Thanquol

It would be more important for him to give global bonuses to Grey Seers, such as reduced upkeep in Grey Seer armies and bonus loyalty points on recruitment. He would likely get his own unique Screaming Bell.

A Screaming Bell, over loveable Boneripper? I think not.

I would love to see him have some new versions of some of the skaven magic, ones that have the possibility to go completely crazy. They could either do great things, or next to nothing, or blow up in your face.

Like if he uses that spell that summons a unit of clanrats. It could just regularly spawn a unit of clanrats, but if it messes up, it could spawn either a unit of skavenslaves or a unit of stormvermin, or several units of clan rats.

[Kaaz]

he may be a lesser name, but his campaign stuff is VERY skaveny

[Kblocks]

tbh to non warhammer fans all these dumb fantasy names mean nothing at all so wether it's tretch or ghorst or setra doesn't serve who the ♥♥♥♥ cares

[PureH]

Tretch Craventail at least is in the armybook and is actually a lord choice.. so many other better options though...

[PureH]

Originally posted by Kblocks:

tbh to non warhammer fans all these dumb fantasy names mean nothing at all so wether it's tretch or ghorst or setra doesn't serve who the ♥♥♥♥ cares

Alot of people.. because he isn't as cool as the other options we could of got.

I mean who wouldn't a Cyborg rat?

[Zoie Shales]

In my opinion.

I understand, people wanted a thing, and didn't get the thing. We all want cool things in the game, and well, I know these LL's like Ghorst don't appear much at all in lore, some may not even have figures, but honestly I'm kind of happy CA acknowlages their existance.

We knew Tretch Craventail would probabbly be the LL scince the reddit leaks: https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/7m2ejm/trench_craventail_and_shadow_warriors_seemingly/

and we knew it wasn't Thanquol thanks to Grace:
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/7hql03/warhammer_ii_development_update_blog_with_norsca/dqszorn/

Any future Skaven LL's will probabbly be included in DLC packs or FLC, Ikit and Thanquol are among the most highly demanded, but as for Tretch Craventail, I think CA saw a potental in the survivalist Chief Warlord of Clan Rictus.

Tretch Craventail Gives his army Vanguard deployment, which I thought is a pretty big bonus, Vlad Von Carstein also has it, and it was extreamly helpful as it ment his army could close the gap between quicker and minimise losses. Vampire Counts needed it because they had no ranged units whatso ever so the bulk of their army aside from flying monsters just had to take fire and run as fast as possible up to the other side to start attacking.

Skaven has ranged units in the form of it's Warplighting Canons and the Plaugeclaw Catapults, but they are usually recruited later in the game, and rest have to take damage to start attacking when they get up to the opponent, and although they have high numbers, most of them have low morale and die easily, as Skaven should.

Tretch's entire bonus power's are all geared twards ambushes, Which compaired to Queek's direct mele damage, and Skrolks defuffing and disease riddled styles is different and very much welcome.

While Tretch wasn't the LL everyone wanted, he...eh.... almost did a batman refrence there, I like him, and eagerly await the next Skaven LL that joints the team, I personannly hope Ikit, but I'd still be ok with whoever it is, as I said back when Tretch was rumored.

[Kblocks]

yeah you're right we should get gimli and elrond in here as lords too

[Hard Gridlock]

It would make zero sense for a Grey Seer to be riding a Boneripper. Warlords ride Bonerippers (and frankly? Bonerippers are overrated. They have less armor and melee defense than base Warlords). He wouldn't need too much craziness, just some unique passives he could take that boost his power reserves and perhaps buffs to his overcast abilities.

[Kblocks]

i love punting around unmounted skaven lords , make a good game out of it , gooooooaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllll

[Zoie Shales]

Originally posted by The Cerulean Rodent:

It would make zero sense for a Grey Seer to be riding a Boneripper. Warlords ride Bonerippers (and frankly? Bonerippers are overrated. They have less armor and melee defense than base Warlords). He wouldn't need too much craziness, just some unique passives he could take that boost his power reserves and perhaps buffs to his overcast abilities.

Well boneripper is a modified Ratogre bodyguard Thanquol has, so he's the exception.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/thanquolcover.jpg
http://www.figouz.net/warhammer-fantasy-battle/img/skavens/Thanquol-Boneripper-01.jpg

I know that is the End times, but he should be able to use him as a mount.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Kaaz:

he may be a lesser name, but his campaign stuff is VERY skaveny

I know that his skills are going to be very skaveny, but that's not the point.

The point is that he's just some minor character who's being put into the game instead of much more well known characters who should've been the next skaven LL.

[Hard Gridlock]

Originally posted by Zoie Shales:

Originally posted by The Cerulean Rodent:

It would make zero sense for a Grey Seer to be riding a Boneripper. Warlords ride Bonerippers (and frankly? Bonerippers are overrated. They have less armor and melee defense than base Warlords). He wouldn't need too much craziness, just some unique passives he could take that boost his power reserves and perhaps buffs to his overcast abilities.

Well boneripper is a modified Ratogre bodyguard Thanquol has, so he's the exception.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/thanquolcover.jpg
http://www.figouz.net/warhammer-fantasy-battle/img/skavens/Thanquol-Boneripper-01.jpg

I know that is the End times, but he should be able to use him as a mount.

Oh, damn, look at that thing! I stopped following Fantasy battle around the End Times. Kind of was right to, considering Gee Dubs threw Warhammer Fantasy in the garbage and made "Warhammer 40k, but not". But that's nerdrage for another conversation topic...

So, I stand corrected.

[Zoie Shales]

Originally posted by The Cerulean Rodent:

Oh, damn, look at that thing! I stopped following Fantasy battle around the End Times. Kind of was right to, considering Gee Dubs threw Warhammer Fantasy in the garbage and made "Warhammer 40k, but not". But that's nerdrage for another conversation topic...

So, I stand corrected.

Heh, no worries, frankly Boneripper could be used in many ways, Thanquol actually had 13 of them, he had a pretty miserable track record of loseing them. The most well known is number 7, who was number 1 reanimated by Skryre.

[Hard Gridlock]

Anyway I'd say for the next LL, Thanquol's my most wanted. The others (even the Skryre lord -- and that clan's my personal favorite) are all secondary to me. And as I stated before, the only reason I want Thanquol so bad is because Grey Seers are really unloved right now.