Denuvo drm cracked on day 1

[neuronfly]

So this game uses Denuvo to prevent piracy but now its been cracked. The game just released yesterday but the pirates already cracked it. So tell me guys why game companies implement this stupid and useless drm and punish us actual customers? Everyone knows Denovu is very harmful to PCs and it also impacts game performance. Why are the game companies nowadays so hell bent on punishing customers that buy their game instead of the ACTUAL pirates?

Here is the proof:
https://segmentnext.com/2017/09/29/total-war-warhammer-2-cracked-just-hours-denuvo-fault/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/731zku/total_war_warhammer_2_denuvo_got_cracked_after_10/

[Paradox]

Escrito originalmente por Cpt Cardillo:

Escrito originalmente por The Hat:

Not defending anything I am explaining the futility of the argument in the first place.

I was speaking in general about pro-denuvers, it just happened that you posted before me hahaha.

Here is a thing. Denuvo as game protection is DRM made right IMHO. Yes, it is uneffective at this point but Denuvo devs really made sure, it is not another stupid Starforce protection. I understand some people are against protections and love DRM free games, however I understand, developers have right to protect their games in way they see fit.

If this game had stupid starforce type of protection, I wouldn't buy it (nor pirated it). but Denuvo is basically invisible..so I bought it.

[Hakuso]

Escrito originalmente por Welsh Dragon:

Escrito originalmente por Cpt Cardillo:

I wonder why people defend an intrusive DRM like this? its useless and "benefits" (not that much considering the time span in which it gets cracked) the publisher. Why people? stop defending this shít.

It took nearly a year for Warhammer 1 to be "cracked." That's a year where those that did the right thing and paid for their gaming got to enjoy a game that the pirates didn't. That's good enough reason to me.

Yes it failed this time. But when a lock fails, you don't give up locking your door... you build or buy a better lock!

All the Best,

Welsh Dragon.

This time?

Every time.

The longest crack time on recent games was Dragon Quest Heroes II, the niche game that sold 20k copies and too a whole month to crack because it wasn't a priority for them to braak.

Back in the days of Rise of the Tomb Raider it did make sense, even at the point where Total War: Warhammer was released it was still doing something, but when crack times rarely exceed a week you're driving away customers and pirates will just wait a few days to get it for free.

It's not 2015 anymore, Denuvo is almost as quickly dispatched as Steam alone, and far less reliable.

Steam stops causal piracy just fine, anything more would require an anti-piracy system that actually worked, and Denuvo hasn't been that for the last year and will never recover.

It'd be dead already if corporate gaming publishers weren't so bureaucratic that they'll keep paying for useless code rather than realize that it has stopped working.

[Hakuso]

Escrito originalmente por Paradox:

Escrito originalmente por Cpt Cardillo:

I was speaking in general about pro-denuvers, it just happened that you posted before me hahaha.

Here is a thing. Denuvo as game protection is DRM made right IMHO. Yes, it is uneffective at this point but Denuvo devs really made sure, it is not another stupid Starforce protection. I understand some people are against protections and love DRM free games, however I understand, developers have right to protect their games in way they see fit.

If this game had stupid starforce type of protection, I wouldn't buy it (nor pirated it). but Denuvo is basically invisible..so I bought it.

Yeah, StarForce was terrible, but at least it worked offline.

I wouldn't buy either, but the only two DRM systems that have caused me any issue due to not being connected are Denuvo and TAGES, though I must admit that I had read about StarForce before I was tempted to buy anything that used it so I never installed that malware on my PC.

Invisible is relative though.

It (Denuvo) was invisible to me, until last year, and now it's a deal-breaker because it's a game breaking problem with my current usage habits.

[Xenos]

Escrito originalmente por Waldschatten:

Escrito originalmente por Xenos:

Oh Lord, this is a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Denuvo doesn't do a thing. It may be useless, sure. But if we didn't know it was in we wouldn't notice it at all. It's like that story about vaccination causing autism, just an internet myth fueled by a handful of dubious cases.

Yeah, it seemed totally innocuous when I was always online playing from a desktop networked to always on broadband, but now that I play on a gaming laptop where I can be offline for weeks at a time I assure you it's not as invisible or reliable as it seems when it can do the phoning home in the background without your knowledge or active participation.

My internet didn't work for almost a hour a couple of days ago, so I took the opportunity to test this claim. I launched the game and it worked completely fine. So I call BS on this.

[Xenos]

Escrito originalmente por Cpt Cardillo:

Escrito originalmente por Welsh Dragon:

It took nearly a year for Warhammer 1 to be "cracked." That's a year where those that did the right thing and paid for their gaming got to enjoy a game that the pirates didn't. That's good enough reason to me.

Yes it failed this time. But when a lock fails, you don't give up locking your door... you build or buy a better lock!

All the Best,

Welsh Dragon.

Its proven that its an useless DRM, so how exactly benefits you as a consumer?

One can not care, which is actually the stance any sensible person would take about something that doesn't concern him. Like, Amazon can have terrible alarm systems in its warehouse, would you clamor for them to be changed? Who frigging cares? It's their problem. Denuvo is invisible till proven otherwise. And till now we don't have any proof, just random people spreading rumors on the ever-reliable internet.

[Hakuso]

Escrito originalmente por Xenos:

Escrito originalmente por Waldschatten:

Yeah, it seemed totally innocuous when I was always online playing from a desktop networked to always on broadband, but now that I play on a gaming laptop where I can be offline for weeks at a time I assure you it's not as invisible or reliable as it seems when it can do the phoning home in the background without your knowledge or active participation.

My internet didn't work for almost a hour a couple of days ago, so I took the opportunity to test this claim. I launched the game and it worked completely fine. So I call BS on this.

It's not every time, it's when Denuvo decides your PC is no longer the same PC, it's taken anywhere from six months (for Dragon Age: Inquisition) to twice in one day (for God Eater 1 & 2) for it to stop working.

Denuvo does have an offline mode, but it works about as reliably as Steam did a decade ago, so it will fail if the lack of internet is the default state of your gaming rig.

[Paradox]

Escrito originalmente por Waldschatten:

Escrito originalmente por Paradox:

Here is a thing. Denuvo as game protection is DRM made right IMHO. Yes, it is uneffective at this point but Denuvo devs really made sure, it is not another stupid Starforce protection. I understand some people are against protections and love DRM free games, however I understand, developers have right to protect their games in way they see fit.

If this game had stupid starforce type of protection, I wouldn't buy it (nor pirated it). but Denuvo is basically invisible..so I bought it.

Yeah, StarForce was terrible, but at least it worked offline.

I wouldn't buy either, but the only two DRM systems that have caused me any issue due to not being connected are Denuvo and TAGES, though I must admit that I had read about StarForce before I was tempted to buy anything that used it so I never installed that malware on my PC.

Invisible is relative though.

It (Denuvo) was invisible to me, until last year, and now it's a deal-breaker because it's a game breaking problem with my current usage habits.

Fair point. I think devs in general understand there is always trade off. If most people would be without internet, they wouldn't implement this type of protection, however, most people are online basically all the time.

[Hakuso]

Escrito originalmente por Paradox:

Fair point. I think devs in general understand there is always trade off. If most people would be without internet, they wouldn't implement this type of protection, however, most people are online basically all the time.

Which is why I have no problem with them using it, as long as it still works, I realize that my issues are pretty rare and don't demand they cater to my needs on day one.

The problem is that they never parch it out, some games have been cracked for almost two years now, but they still have Denuvo in them.

Once it stops discouraging piracy keeping it in affects paying (or potentially paying for botcotters like me) customers while pirates ignore it.

I think what RiME did was exactly how it should be. Release on Steam only, with Denuvo, but when the crackers beat it the game gets a patch to remove it.

Also, major bonus points to them for also releasing on GOG once DRM had failed to protect the game. I bought that one within an hour of it going live there. I also plugged the game like crazy, rather than getting it for free and still dogging on it like Rise of the Tomb Raider, and encouraged several sales in addition to my own purchase.

The ones like Doom and Homefront: The Revolution were still within the first week of the patch, and even Mass Effect: Andromeda was bought in under a month after Denuvo was removed.

[l0op]

Escrito originalmente por Viper:

I doubt that is the case otherwise this entire thread would be gone. No mods are here yet. Talk about Piracy. This entire thread is against Steam forum rules. This thread will not survive long however.

Lmao "not survive long"

[Paradox]

I agree, denuvo at this point has no reason to stay.

[Hakuso]

Escrito originalmente por Paradox:

I agree, denuvo at this point has no reason to stay.

I had a lot of faith in Sega, due to the patch we got for the obnoxious DRM in the physical copy of Alpha Protocol, but I'm beginning to suspect that was more on Obsidian (who are one of my favorite developers, though I buy all their games on GOG so it doesn't show on my profile here) than it was Sega.

[XDeadzX]

Escrito originalmente por Paradox:

Escrito originalmente por Waldschatten:

You don't understand the difference between digital delivery services and DRM.

Steam is not DRM, it's very common on Steam, but not baked in or required.

There are lists online of DRM-Free content available on Steam, all of them can be freely transferred from the original system to another one without needing an internet connection or the Steam client.

If Steam itself were DRM, rather than Steamworks being optional DRM available from Valve, that would not be possible.

Please, if you cant trust me, just google something about DRM and Steam.
Steam is by definition DRM. Yes,it is also digital library.

Because more you write, more you prove you have no idea. You even said GoG is basically same compared to Steam. It is BS and you just can't admit you are wrong. And I am not really willing to argue with someone, who refuse to understand.

And in the end, it is pointless converstaion anyway.

He said GoG and DRM Free on steam are similar. He did not say Steam is the same as GoG as all steam games are DRM free. Steam itself IS NOT DRM. Read up on it yourself, you arrogant fool. YOU are the one refusing to understand.

Steam CAN have DRM. Steam ALLOWS and OFFERS drm. GoG says you cannot use DRM. Steam, like GoG, is a distribution platform, it is not a form of DRM. Steam can include DRM, but you are not required to include DRM on steam. You are allowed to distribute DRM free games through steam.

Learn your own ♥♥♥♥ before you try to argue other people aren't understanding.

[Franky]

Stupid denovu is all i can say, all it does is punish legit buyers and midly incovenience at worst pirates.

The sad part is the BEST incentive for a legit customer is actually steam workshop. A pirated copy isn't always going to be up to date and easy access to steam workshop mods (particular in the case total warhammer where you get suuuch good mods) is the best reason to buy a legit copy over going for a free pirate one. Otherwise when it comes to DRM, doesn't matter if its denuvo or anything else, pirates will just see it as a challenge/puzzle to solve xD

Hopefully one day game execs will take their heads out of their prehistoric rear ends and realize that.

[Paradox]

Escrito originalmente por XDeadzX:

Escrito originalmente por Paradox:

Please, if you cant trust me, just google something about DRM and Steam.
Steam is by definition DRM. Yes,it is also digital library.

Because more you write, more you prove you have no idea. You even said GoG is basically same compared to Steam. It is BS and you just can't admit you are wrong. And I am not really willing to argue with someone, who refuse to understand.

And in the end, it is pointless converstaion anyway.

He said GoG and DRM Free on steam are similar. He did not say Steam is the same as GoG as all steam games are DRM free. Steam itself IS NOT DRM. Read up on it yourself, you arrogant fool. YOU are the one refusing to understand.

Steam CAN have DRM. Steam ALLOWS and OFFERS drm. GoG says you cannot use DRM. Steam, like GoG, is a distribution platform, it is not a form of DRM. Steam can include DRM, but you are not required to include DRM on steam. You are allowed to distribute DRM free games through steam.

Learn your own ♥♥♥♥ before you try to argue other people aren't understanding.

Steam needs online authentification... it is alpha and omega of DRM systems. DRM doesn't mean you have to be always online or anything like that, but fact, that without authentification you can't run the game.

What Steam offers is additional layer of DRM protection.

So again, educate yourself because pile of people who have no idea what they are talking about is really growing up.

[XDeadzX]

Escrito originalmente por Paradox:

Escrito originalmente por XDeadzX:

He said GoG and DRM Free on steam are similar. He did not say Steam is the same as GoG as all steam games are DRM free. Steam itself IS NOT DRM. Read up on it yourself, you arrogant fool. YOU are the one refusing to understand.

Steam CAN have DRM. Steam ALLOWS and OFFERS drm. GoG says you cannot use DRM. Steam, like GoG, is a distribution platform, it is not a form of DRM. Steam can include DRM, but you are not required to include DRM on steam. You are allowed to distribute DRM free games through steam.

Learn your own ♥♥♥♥ before you try to argue other people aren't understanding.

Steam needs online authentification... it is alpha and omega of DRM systems. DRM doesn't mean you have to be always online or anything like that, but fact, that without authentification you can run the game.

What Steam offers is additional layer of DRM protection.

So again, educate yourself because pile of people who have no idea what they are talking about is really growing up.

You are not required to authenticate your steam purchase after downloading it once you download a DRM free game from steam. You download the game, put the files wherever the hell you want, delete steam, log out, put them on a computer that never had steam, whatever. You then run the game, and it works. Because it's DRM free. THAT is what DRM free means. Those games are available on steam. I even posted a link to a list of DRM free games that can be legally purchased through steam, downloaded, and ran DRM free. You are not required to use the steam client for anything besides downloading it the first time when you buy a DRM free title from steam.

IF your definition of a "drm free game" is that it requires zero authentication to verify your purchase at any point in the line, then GOG is also DRM because you're required to log in to download it the first time. You know, exactly like drm free on Steam.