How do you confederate Dark Elves?

[cc\\Nox]

I'm playing as Morathi.

[Oleyn]

I managed to confederate Cult of Pleasure while playing as Malekith but it was difficult. Firstly make sure you don't enter a Military alliance with them as it prevents you from confederating for some reason. Secondly I found I had to pay her gifts over and over until I got her approval with me to above 300. I hope this helps.

[Yamato]

Originally posted by Oleyn:

I managed to confederate Cult of Pleasure while playing as Malekith but it was difficult. Firstly make sure you don't enter a Military alliance with them as it prevents you from confederating for some reason. Secondly I found I had to pay her gifts over and over until I got her approval with me to above 300. I hope this helps.

I will try that thanks. Got Morathi up to 200 approval while still in alliance and I wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong.

[Empiro]

It just seems much harder to confederate now. Basically they won't go for it unless they're losing badly in a war.

[Coal Lobster]

Offer them lots of money. Could be anywhere between low ten thousands to hundreds of thousands.

[A. Corvus Kaine]

Yep, got Morathi to confederate with me as Malekith turn 74, she was involved me in a war with the Hexoatl all the way down South. Lost most of her units as her strength number weakened.

As soon as I proposed Confederation I was at 165+ relationship and it was a moderate chance, no strings attached I just sent it and she instantly accepted. I took all her territories and became in debt -18.7k GOLD because she had so many ♥♥♥♥ing Lords without any units, I just booted them all out.

This was on VERY HARD btw, so I had some Campaign penalties but it was not that big of a deal.

[ako.c.ryan]

just declare war and conquer with other DE than having a hard time to confederate with them

[RCMidas]

Dark Elves actually seem to be especially resistant to confederation. You really need to butter them up to get anywhere, unless they have almost nothing left in terms of military strength. Even then, you'll probably need to pay a few thousand gold to get them to kneel.

And then their usually-low Loyalty kicks in...

[Feanor]

Originally posted by Yamato:

Originally posted by Oleyn:

I managed to confederate Cult of Pleasure while playing as Malekith but it was difficult. Firstly make sure you don't enter a Military alliance with them as it prevents you from confederating for some reason. Secondly I found I had to pay her gifts over and over until I got her approval with me to above 300. I hope this helps.

I will try that thanks. Got Morathi up to 200 approval while still in alliance and I wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong.

Damn, I wish I could remember, but I was in a long standing alliance with the Cult of Pleasure, I thought it was a Military alliance but it could have been a defensive one. I really can't recall but every time I went to war, they joined in and the same in return. Many turns in I noticed that Confed was green in the diplomacy screen so I did it then instantly had massive financial problems.

[[GW] Darling]

It's all about strength rank, keep an eye on your target, when they lose an army their strength rank will go down drastically, you will still need to pay a lot of money though.

[Big Moustache]

The beastmen stacks ravage most DE Factions when left alone by player, Wait for them to become desperate. Than force the beastmen out of your territories and repeat the cycle.

[Jerroser]

Originally posted by GW Darling:

It's all about strength rank, keep an eye on your target, when they lose an army their strength rank will go down drastically, you will still need to pay a lot of money though.

This is basically it, the main issue with getting the other major faction to confederate is that they often become just as powerful as the player or at the very least close enough that the algorithm incharge of deciding whether to accept or not makes the change practically zero and no amount of money thrown in will help this.

The only real thing you can do is just wait until either you have grown to be significently more powerful and/or they have also been weakend in confilicts with other factions.

Although in my DE game with Malakith, the major change happend once Mazamundi (and others) had grown in power even more through other fights and the Cult of Pleasure had been pushed down from 2nd strongest to 6th without them really loosing too much themselves. Then suddenly Morathi seems much more willing to conferderate with me (along with a 20000 gold incentive...)

[Gideon]

I just entered into a confederation with Cult of Pleasure, playing as Malekith, but I still cannot recruit Morathi for some reason. Is this a bug?

[gachi is manly]

Originally posted by Empiro:

It just seems much harder to confederate now. Basically they won't go for it unless they're losing badly in a war.

Yea, that's how I did it. Keep an eye on how the faction you want to confederate is doing. If you ever see them slip from rank 8 in power to rank 30 something chances are they're losing a war and will be open to confederate.

I confederated Morathi with Malekith on Very Hard when she had 10 more settlements than I did. She has slipped dramatically in power ranking from fighting with Hexoltal and conferated with me despite being higher in power ranking than me a few turns earlier.

Originally posted by Mordio:

I just entered into a confederation with Cult of Pleasure, playing as Malekith, but I still cannot recruit Morathi for some reason. Is this a bug?

She might be wounded when you confederated. In which case you should see her in your army summary tab.

[Antanos]

Strange I can't even trade with malekith as morathi now. Really annoying. Playing coop vs high elf friend, he confederated lothern with order of loremasters but I cant confederate with malekith

[Captain Super Credit]

Originally posted by cc\\Nox:

I'm playing as Morathi.

Maintain strength (army), non aggression and trade and wait. Common High Elven Foes will help.. then just wait for good relations an try. Generally they will confederate if they are less superior and threatened by outside forces. Some.. just dont... so typical d-bag Dark Elf... take by force if you want.. their isnt much special about the minor DE leaders.

Some other Morathi Tips-

Make a full stack army and grab one of the High Elf gates... smash near by settlements for cash and slaves.. then send the army on a piligaging spree on the inner circle of High Elf land for more money and slaves... while doing so.. build another army back at the gate.. and use it as a army mustering center... until you are pushed out. Basically... do some hardcore raiding of High Elf land.. they will come for you any way... and watch the Lizards to the south... they tend to try and muck things up if not skaven distracted.

Ive gone over 150 turns.. and never able to close to confederate with Maliketh.

Morathi is listed as HARD.. for a reason.