Why do chaos infantry have so much more armore lore wise?

[Googley Eye'd Bastard]

I understand playstyle wise chaos is supposed to be very Heavy and strong infantry compared to empire, but im just wondering why even the top tief infantry of greatswords only upgrade to some small pauldrons and some leg armor from the swordsman's breastplate only? The only people i see in full plate armor are the calvary units.

This is not a complaint on their gameplay, its just that you would figure lorewise that the empire would employ some more highly armored infantry when compared to the northeners who dispite having a tribal society somehow posess forged full plate armor'd suits for their warriors.

[Reaver79]

If you want lore wise the real question is whats greatswords doing above tier 2 ?..
They where a basic human soldier, actually worse than a basic soldier in equal armour, as they would strike last meaning they would be dead more often than not before they got a chance.

[Sultschiem]

Because chaos bros are edgelords who have to be in full total megathick armor with lots of spikes and skulls and stuff so everyone who is totally into edgy stuff can get their full edgelord on.

As for Greatswords of Empire: They swing massive greatswords around for hours during battle.... now, did you ever chuck wood for several hours? Now imagine doing that in full plate armor.

Dwarves, Blackorks and Chaos are very strong, while Elves have special heavy armor that is super light to balance out their physical weakness.

[Shandor]

Well in the Tabletop the best Armor got Chaos, Darkelves and Dwarves. Wile Darkelves are the only Faction that could have Lords and Heroes with the best Armor you can have (2+) without any magic items or Mutations and they got the best armored Light Cavalry.
On Top of that the Darkelves can build the best Protected Unit of all, with Vanguard, best Movement, hard hitting, always strike first, able to Cast 2 Spells, Armor 2+ in Close combat, Wardsave 4+ against Magic and Ranged. Chaos can just dream about such a Unit.

Chaos got Chaos Armor Its one better then Plate Armor and Dwarves Kromril Armor.. same as Chaos armor + resist against Fire if i remember right.

Darkelves have Plate armor but also a Seadragon Cloak Thats better then the other two.

[Sir uP]

Plate armor is lighter actually (but more protective) than chain mail

[Shandor]

İlk olarak Sir ♥♥♥♥♥foot tarafından gönderildi:

Plate armor is lighter actually (but more protective) than chain mail

Depends if you just talk about the Harnish (Is there a word for that in english? ) The breast Piece they used after the Knight Area. Or a Complete Knight Armor Platemail. Because thats alot heavyer then a Chainmail. I got a Chainmain and walking around with it all day is a pain and to get if off alone with llong hair is a mess. :) But i weard a full platemail once and its like you have to carry a Smart car on your back.

[Reaver79]

The ones i have tried i felt the weight of the chainmail alot more on say arms than the plate. I belive (to have read anyways) that the weight on the plates while might be more where well distrubuted over the body and as such not as cumbersome..

[TVMAN]

İlk olarak Reaver79 tarafından gönderildi:

The ones i have tried i felt the weight of the chainmail alot more on say arms than the plate. I belive (to have read anyways) that the weight on the plates while might be more where well distrubuted over the body and as such not as cumbersome..

That's exactly correct. The weight of platemail and fullplate is distributed all across your body so it "feels" lighter (although it's really not), whereas chainmail hangs off your shoulders when you wear it, so much of the weight is concentrated around there and your neck.

İlk olarak Shandor tarafından gönderildi:

Depends if you just talk about the Harnish (Is there a word for that in english? )

In English, it's spelled 'Harness'. Effectively the same word, though.

[Ysthrall]

İlk olarak oT Separate tarafından gönderildi:

You cant really walk in Fullplate ? Fullplate was mainly made for tournaments ? No. No no no no no ! Fullplate was made for war and was wearn by Knights in battle. They were able to run,walk and fight in it. Stop spreading myths.

Indeed. There's a lovely video online of a fireman (in full smoke gear) a royal marine (in full battle dress) and a guy from the royal armories (in full articulated plate armour) doing an assault course against each other.

The myth comes from the occasioanl silly film made in the 196 0s and '70s, featuring jousting tournements with knights needing to be winched onto their horses.

To be fair, tournement armour was generally heavier and more protective than battle armour, due to the tournement opponents being a little less bloodthirsty and the knights being therefore eable to prioritise protection over mobility.

But on the battlefield, if you can't get up and move reasonably quickly under your own power, you're dead.

Oh yes, and a suit of armour being referred to as a "harness" (helped by the amount of straps and padding) is the origin for the term "to die in harness" meaning to continue doing your job until death.

A good way to help distribute the wieght of chainmail is to raise your arms, strap on a sturdy belt, and then lower your arms. This holds a certain amount of the wieght onto your hips. But if you're wearing fine mesh iron/steel chain in a long-sleeved knee-length hauberk, then it'll way a LOT whatever you do.

Chaos armour can be anything from actual metal (as worn by Marauders, for instance) to solidified magic (as worn by Daemons).

[gachi is manly]

İlk olarak Ysthrall tarafından gönderildi:

Chaos armour can be anything from actual metal (as worn by Marauders, for instance) to solidified magic (as worn by Daemons).

I remember reading a long time ago in the lore that Daemon weapons/armor is actually just a part of their essence rather than actual physically forged equipment. I don't know if that's still true, as it was a really early Daemon book that I remember seeing it in.

[Ysthrall]

That would certainly make sense. The Daemon manifests with armour and weaponry. This would explain why it's really difficult to get a Daemon-Sword. It's not a question of nicking one off a daemon (whuch will likely dissolve after 10 minutes ), you need to stuff a Daemon into a sword-shaped container....

I suspect this was covered in the 8th edition army book for Chaos Daemons, and will be defined in the tech tree for that army in this game.

[Stanley]

İlk olarak wwolf69 tarafından gönderildi:

Lorewise heavy-armored infantry is nonsense. Fullplate is too heavy for man to go full-day walking and fighting. Cavalry feels better (horses are strong, you know) and classic full plate armor was actually made for tournament battles (for maximum safety of a knight).

IRL

A full plate armor is lighter than a modern soldier's equipment and it feels even lighter because of careful weight dustribution.

Classic full plate armor was not rare at all. It is estimated that it cost around a year's or two of salary at the time. You didnt even need to be wealthy to get one.

Generally armor was something people would save money to buy at some point in their life.

[Googley Eye'd Bastard]

İlk olarak Stanley tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak wwolf69 tarafından gönderildi:

Lorewise heavy-armored infantry is nonsense. Fullplate is too heavy for man to go full-day walking and fighting. Cavalry feels better (horses are strong, you know) and classic full plate armor was actually made for tournament battles (for maximum safety of a knight).

IRL

A full plate armor is lighter than a modern soldier's equipment and it feels even lighter because of careful weight dustribution.

Classic full plate armor was not rare at all. It is estimated that it cost around a year's or two of salary at the time. You didnt even need to be wealthy to get one.

Generally armor was something people would save money to buy at some point in their life.

Thats pretty interesting, I can understand the idea of the greatsword units actually needed to march long distances and full plate could be a problem, but if modern soldiers could carry more i don't see why not. Even if that was the case they could always have waggons to store the armor untill they prep for battle.

At the least i don't like how many of the great swords don't wear helmets, some may argue that it gives them more character but most of the human faces look the same and i just seem them as being idiots for not wearing helms.

[Stanley]

Empire GS's faces look like painters in the wrong place

[Toaster Maximus]

But yeah to people that are wondering about movements in full plate, you could do a lot in full plate it just was hot which taxed the body, but have to keep in mind full plate more often then not what made to be a perfect fit for the knight using it

Are some grea youtube videos on it and such also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7naZ08Jd4

Are more also but that is a good exmpale of types of plate we general see in fantasy games and such, remember it was more endurance then anything and each piece was designed to spread out the weight across the body and had flexiability joints and such in most cases.

Just that crap was hot more then anything else

[Kruniac Zio]

İlk olarak wwolf69 tarafından gönderildi:

Lorewise heavy-armored infantry is nonsense. Fullplate is too heavy for man to go full-day walking and fighting. Cavalry feels better (horses are strong, you know) and classic full plate armor was actually made for tournament battles (for maximum safety of a knight).

And chaos warriors are steroid mutants with demon-infused armor. They are as strong as horses (at least), so it's fine for them.

Actually, articulated plate was a lot lighter and easier to move in than people believe.