Phoenix Guard and Swordmaster of Hoeth

[Zav]

Need a huge buff, they get rolled by most middle tier units even when hitting from behind.

Two stacks of Phoenix guard can't kill or route Black Guard units either. I have mind fully buff by a lord middle skills and research and they are apalling at killing most stuff

Not a fan

[Zav]

6 full stacks attacking Malkieth as well (phoenix guard) he killed and routed all of them

Seem to have really weak units counter balanced by Great artillery and Not bad range fire power

[Arlen Tektolnes]

Their job isn't really to kill, for the most part high elf infantry is simply a shield between the enemy and your archers.

[Muh macht die Kuh]

noobs talking bout balance

*grab his popcorn*

[SleepyNarwhalz]

In a 1v1 Pheonix Guard and Swordmasters handily beat their DE counterparts.

[Zav]

Originally posted by Arlen Tektolnes:

Their job isn't really to kill, for the most part high elf infantry is simply a shield between the enemy and your archers.

Watching Hoeth swordsmen now getting rekt by Malkieth. 4 stacks and he also routed by lord...by himself (not a single other unit around

Not only that but he can take out even while engaged in Melee? is this a new thing? I thought he had to not be hit for a long while before he can take off

[Macros]

Are we talking about the same game? Had you told White Lions needed a buff, I would have agreed. Swordmasters and Phoenix Guards? They are amazing at their job. (and I don't know how you managed to fail to beat Blackguards two-on-one either, they are flat out better.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Originally posted by zavala451:

Originally posted by Arlen Tektolnes:

Their job isn't really to kill, for the most part high elf infantry is simply a shield between the enemy and your archers.

Watching Hoeth swordsmen now getting rekt by Malkieth. 4 stacks and he also routed by lord...by himself (not a single other unit around

Not only that but he can take out even while engaged in Melee? is this a new thing? I thought he had to not be hit for a long while before he can take off

Is this Malekith on a dragon? If it is of course he beats them, he's a LL on a big dragon fighting a bunch of anti infantry units.

And if you go into custom battles you can test them, and see them beat the DE counterparts.

[Vacca]

Originally posted by Arlen Tektolnes:

Their job isn't really to kill, for the most part high elf infantry is simply a shield between the enemy and your archers.

Oh, if only you played tabletop. The holy trinity of white lions, swordmasters and phoenix guard probably make for the top 10 infantry in the entire game.

[AVGAMER]

Sword masters are amazing at killing other infrantry though I think they should be beffed a little with 10-15 more armour to bring them in line with excutioners like wise with pheonix guard, white lions need more damage and armour

[Zav]

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

Sword masters are amazing at killing other infrantry though I think they should be beffed a little with 10-15 more armour to bring them in line with excutioners like wise with pheonix guard, white lions need more damage and armour

White lions are just mid-tier 'Swordsman of Hoeth" right? Or perhaps folk use some sort of forest micro or something

They just seem like a poor mans SoH, but are kind of your first AP unit so I assume they are where they should be maybe

[Vacca]

Originally posted by zavala451:

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

Sword masters are amazing at killing other infrantry though I think they should be beffed a little with 10-15 more armour to bring them in line with excutioners like wise with pheonix guard, white lions need more damage and armour

White lions are just mid-tier 'Swordsman of Hoeth" right? Or perhaps folk use some sort of forest micro or something

They just seem like a poor mans SoH, but are kind of your first AP unit so I assume they are where they should be maybe

Yeah, they misrepresented them big time. These guys were THE monster killer in the HE army. Not as tanky as phoenix guard, not as lethal vs infantry as swordmasters, kinda of a mix of the two. But defenitely not like this - this game makes them look way worse than swordmasters.

[Seven of Nine]

yeh, swordmasters aren't magical enough. To be honest if you are playing in the campaign dismiss the notion of balance on all diff. lvls.

[Macros]

Originally posted by Vacca:

Yeah, they misrepresented them big time. These guys were THE monster killer in the HE army. Not as tanky as phoenix guard, not as lethal vs infantry as swordmasters, kinda of a mix of the two. But defenitely not like this - this game makes them look way worse than swordmasters.

Stubborn rule FTW! Those guys were amazing on tabletop, easily my favourite of the three elite infantry.

Here, though? Yeah, I'm not quite sure why they are here either.

[Björn]

Originally posted by zavala451:

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

Sword masters are amazing at killing other infrantry though I think they should be beffed a little with 10-15 more armour to bring them in line with excutioners like wise with pheonix guard, white lions need more damage and armour

White lions are just mid-tier 'Swordsman of Hoeth" right? Or perhaps folk use some sort of forest micro or something

They just seem like a poor mans SoH, but are kind of your first AP unit so I assume they are where they should be maybe

are you an idiot?? White lions aren´t mid tier. They use halberts so are exelent against cav and large units for as Swordsman of Hoeth will get destroyed by cav and large units... Learn the difference between units before posting stupid ♥♥♥♥ like this.

[Vacca]

Originally posted by Ryuu:

Originally posted by zavala451:

White lions are just mid-tier 'Swordsman of Hoeth" right? Or perhaps folk use some sort of forest micro or something

They just seem like a poor mans SoH, but are kind of your first AP unit so I assume they are where they should be maybe

are you an idiot?? White lions aren´t mid tier. They use halberts so are exelent against cav and large units for as Swordsman of Hoeth will get destroyed by cav and large units... Learn the difference between units before posting stupid ♥♥♥♥ like this.

White lions get no bonuses vs large units (which includes cavalry). They get bonuses vs infantry.