Warhammer TW 2 Story Timeline: End Times? Twin Tailed Comet?

[Lyrithus]

Where does Warhammer Total War 2 fit into the story from the first game?

Their doesn't seem to be any direct answers about when in the warhammer timeline Warhammer TW 2 takes place. Someone said the twin tailed comet is what disrupts the vortex in game 2. If that is the same Twin Tailed comet that heralds the coming of Chaos, then... Where are we?

The twin Tailed Comet heralded the birth of Dark Gods Champion, the boy who would one day become a Sigmarite Priest, then abandon Sigmar and his faith, finally becoming Archaon The Everchosen.

Source1 - http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_Times
Source2 - http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Archaon

From Source 2:

The World's Ending: Shortened Version

"And so the mortal world fell away into oblivion. The gnawing rift at the heart of Mankind's domain devoured reality..."

"...Invigorated, the polar rifts slipped their ancient bounds and joined their younger sibling in its feast..."

"...dryad-song echoed under livid skies as Athel Loren perished. With its destruction, the Weave that bound the time and space together thinned and stretched..." "...it dissolved entirely into nothingess..."

"...Already tired of their victory, the Dark Gods..." "...paid no heed to the tiny speck of light tumbling in the infinite darkness -- the glowing essense of what had once been a man."

"Through the storm of nothingness he fell, adrift for aeons upon unseed tides. Then came a glimmering orb..."

"...Desperate, the figure seized upon the sphere with a grip that could shatter mountains. He stared into the void, and from the darkness, the void stared back. The figure clung tight, marshalling his faded strength. He reached forth his hand, and a miracle took shape......These were truly the End Times"

—Epilogue

The Timelines of Game 1 and Game 2 are only a few years apart, if at all. The events played out in game 1 are all true to the lore of the end times, period. read:

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Archaon

The above link tells the story of game 1, including Archeons battle against the factions of the old world, The Empire and Karl Franz, Manfred Von Carstein, and all the other major playable characters/factions in Game 1. That IS the bringer of the End Times, but depending on what faction you play, you basically control the outcome, changing weather or not Archeon swallows the world in Chaos.

In Game 2, its just a "Meanwhile, on the otherside of the world, this was happening".

The other main point I'm trying to make is that the playable races in Game 2, (Dark Elves, Skaven, Lizardmen), are supposed to exist in the old world, (Game 1), just as much as they are present in the new world, (Game 2), and should have their own factions in Game 1.

Yet CA decided to cut them from existence in Game 1, because their release as playable races/factions in Game 2 gives them the excuse they need to split the enitre thing into two seperate games, forcing players/consumers to buy two games to be able to play any race that should have been just as playable in Game 1. If they included all the races that should have been in the old world according to the lore, (Dark Elves, Skaven, Lizardmen), then there would be just that much less incentive to buy Game 2.

[Lyrithus]

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

引用自 Lyrithus：

It is a version of the End Times, but has nothing to do with the End Times that you keep linking to. This End Times follows an entirely different story. Aside from the fact that Archaon wants to destroy the world, everything is different.

Spouting complete made up bs doesnt make you right. Ive read the books, AND have a legit source on The one and only END TIMES from the warhammer wiki itself, and you still think u know better in ur made up fantasies lol. Just stop ya damn troll

[Darakkuu]

引用自 Goblin：

Why do you guys keep feeding the troll?

As I said, this is quite entertaining specimen XD
Also, it's amusing to think of possibility that he is actually being serious.

[SpaceGoatMage]

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

Alright, let's look through your claims:

1. You claim that WH1 uses the End Times as portrayed in the End Times series by Games Workshop, and keep linking to wiki pages on it as "proof"

This is demonstrably false. If this took place during those End Times then
A) Marius Leitdorf would be dead
B) Lustria would be a pile of ashes and craters
C) Nagash would be revived
D) Vlad would be revived by Nagash not mortal followers, and Isabella wouldn't be his co-LL
E) Azhag would be dead
F) Volkmar the Grim would be dead and sacrificed
And I could go on, but you get the point. This isn't the same story as the End Times.

2. You claim the twin tailed comet is the same in game one and game two.

Again, demonstratably false since this comet is quite literally a spaceship, not the regular comet of sotek/twin tailed comet. Also the comet comes by fairly often so it's not especially noteworthy.

3. You claim I called you a troll

Buuuut, I didn't. In fact I haven't insulted you in any way. You're the one throwing insults around here, buddy.


Also if you really want to get into the lore, don't read a bunch of articles on the wikis about the End Times. Go find a copy of an army book on a race you like and read through it instead. You'll get much more accurate information that actually matters in the game you're playing.

Wanna try to counter these points OP?

[SleepyNarwhalz]

引用自 Lyrithus：

Oh my dear god lol. It's the only End times??? jesus you know nothing. just stop. I've read the books, and have a legit source to prove im right. You dont

Tell me, if this is the End Times that lead to Age of Sigmar... where's Nagash? Why is Azhag here? Why is Volkmar here? Where are the incarnates? Why isn't Lustria blown up? Why isn't Malekith the Eternity King?

The answer, of course, is that this isn't that version of the End Times. It's a seperate version, made up by Creative Assembly using 8th edition as a base. And if you read the books as you claim then you should know that. This story follows none of the story beats that the regular End Times has, and never will.

[Lyrithus]

引用自 Goblin：

Why do you guys keep feeding the troll?

They call me a troll first, which is what everyone reads, and want to discredit me, and then everyone thinks im a troll, When all i wanted was to clarify HOW CA tied the two games together calling them Sequals. It was clarified by everyone at first that they WERE in fact tied together by the twin tailed comet heralding the end times(game 1) and the same comet being the reason the vortex(game 2) became unstable.

But after we clarified that, and I let out a complaint about if they were two worlds, and the races in game 2 are supposed to be in the story of game 1 as well, (and they are, we all agreed and proved it), then they shoulda made Warhammer TW 2 a DLC expansion, not a full price tag game, WITH even MORE DLC purchasables. Then they attacked me calling me a troll because I said that. like.. WTF? CA insiders or something getting all butt hurt? or what?

[SleepyNarwhalz]

引用自 Lyrithus：

引用自 Goblin：

Why do you guys keep feeding the troll?

They call me a troll first, which is what everyone reads, and want to discredit me, and then everyone thinks im a troll, When all i wanted was to clarify HOW CA tied the two games together calling them Sequals. It was clarified by everyone at first that they WERE in fact tied together by the twin tailed comet heralding the end times(game 1) and the same comet being the reason the vortex(game 2) became unstable.

Again, it's not a comet. Also I too would like you to respond to the points I made.

[Lyrithus]

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

引用自 Lyrithus：

Oh my dear god lol. It's the only End times??? jesus you know nothing. just stop. I've read the books, and have a legit source to prove im right. You dont

Tell me, if this is the End Times that lead to Age of Sigmar... where's Nagash? Why is Azhag here? Why is Volkmar here? Where are the incarnates? Why isn't Lustria blown up? Why isn't Malekith the Eternity King?

The answer, of course, is that this isn't that version of the End Times. It's a seperate version, made up by Creative Assembly using 8th edition as a base. And if you read the books as you claim then you should know that. This story follows none of the story beats that the regular End Times has, and never will.

It doesnt lead to the age of sigmar??? Karl franz is deafeated by Archeon in the end times, and sigmars time is long passed. Sigmar, RETURNS in the form of a demi-god avatar to battle Archeon as a last attempt to stop the world from ending, but fails as it is swallowed up by the chaos gate. thats the original story for game 1 of tw. Thats it, thats the end. THE END. in the game however, you can change that according to which faction you play. thats it.

Game 2 events are occuring "Meanwhile" during the events of game 1.

Christ do your own READING for once. Its a lot

[SleepyNarwhalz]

引用自 Lyrithus：

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

Tell me, if this is the End Times that lead to Age of Sigmar... where's Nagash? Why is Azhag here? Why is Volkmar here? Where are the incarnates? Why isn't Lustria blown up? Why isn't Malekith the Eternity King?

The answer, of course, is that this isn't that version of the End Times. It's a seperate version, made up by Creative Assembly using 8th edition as a base. And if you read the books as you claim then you should know that. This story follows none of the story beats that the regular End Times has, and never will.

It doesnt lead to the age of sigmar??? Karl franz is deafeated by Archeon in the end times, and sigmars time is long passed. Sigmar, RETURNS in the form of a demi-god avatar to battle Archeon as a last attempt to stop the world from ending

And then the world ends, Archaon wins, and Age of Sigmar happens. Are you sure you read the books?

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Also, have you ever even opened an army book?

[Kaaz]

I doubt he/she has even read the wiki that they copy paste

[SpaceGoatMage]

引用自 SpaceGoatMage：

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

Alright, let's look through your claims:

1. You claim that WH1 uses the End Times as portrayed in the End Times series by Games Workshop, and keep linking to wiki pages on it as "proof"

This is demonstrably false. If this took place during those End Times then
A) Marius Leitdorf would be dead
B) Lustria would be a pile of ashes and craters
C) Nagash would be revived
D) Vlad would be revived by Nagash not mortal followers, and Isabella wouldn't be his co-LL
E) Azhag would be dead
F) Volkmar the Grim would be dead and sacrificed
And I could go on, but you get the point. This isn't the same story as the End Times.

2. You claim the twin tailed comet is the same in game one and game two.

Again, demonstratably false since this comet is quite literally a spaceship, not the regular comet of sotek/twin tailed comet. Also the comet comes by fairly often so it's not especially noteworthy.

3. You claim I called you a troll

Buuuut, I didn't. In fact I haven't insulted you in any way. You're the one throwing insults around here, buddy.


Also if you really want to get into the lore, don't read a bunch of articles on the wikis about the End Times. Go find a copy of an army book on a race you like and read through it instead. You'll get much more accurate information that actually matters in the game you're playing.

Wanna try to counter these points OP?

[Lyrithus]

edited post ^

[SleepyNarwhalz]

引用自 Lyrithus：

edited post ^

Your edit changes nothing. This still isn't the same story as the canon End Times.

[Lyrithus]

引用自 SpaceGoatMage：

引用自 SpaceGoatMage：

Wanna try to counter these points OP?

Yea. One every point you made is false. Nagash is not alive during those end times. Manfred is the leader of counts and teams up with emprie and dwarves to fight ARcheon, but fails. Nagash is long "gone".. not technically dead... because he is nagash<--lighten the mood with a joke

[SleepyNarwhalz]

引用自 Lyrithus：

引用自 SpaceGoatMage：

Yea. One every point you made is false. Nagash is not alive during those end times. Manfred is the leader of counts and teams up with emprie and dwarves to fight ARcheon, but fails. Nagash is long "gone".. not technically dead... because he is nagash<--lighten the mood with a joke

You realize that one of the biggest points in the End Times is that Nagash is alive (well as alive as he can be anyway) again, right? There's literally a whole book called "The End Times: Nagash". Hell, the wiki you use even puts it as a source.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23175922-warhammer

Also, are you really saying that when the End Times happens Azhag isn't dead?