High Elf units are trash

[dirtpickle]

I love warhammer, and it was a very bog shock to finally play this game and see the high elves get slaughtered in battle. Really my biggest gripe is with spearmen, they die off very quikly, and especially when fighting chaos, ive had entire units be killed with only 10 or so kills of their own.

[Empiro]

What were you fighting though? Most Chaos infantry are really powerful, and if they're fighting Chaos Warriors or Chosen, they're going to lose bad.

[Angarvin]

spearmen don't do damage. they have high def stat but next to no attack capability. they act as a wall that gives your achers\dragons\cav time to do the damaging

[yoda gaming]

i was ambushed by 3 elite skaven armies with my high elves and won, how are their units trash?

[Jork]

"my faction's cheapest infantry unit sucks"

gee i wonder why

[Charlie Kelly, King of the Rats]

Originally posted by ksdb3815:

I love warhammer, and it was a very bog shock to finally play this game and see the high elves get slaughtered in battle. Really my biggest gripe is with spearmen, they die off very quikly, and especially when fighting chaos, ive had entire units be killed with only 10 or so kills of their own.

Spearmen are for holding a line and for prospective their stats for doing that are a hell of a lot better than Empire Spearmen (a good cost-effective unit for holding lines).

You can't win a 1v1 against chaos warriors or chosen with spearmen. You need to hammer-and-anvil or replace them with Phoenix Guard or White Lions (who will trade well with all chaos infantry).

[Chigs]

Disagree with you here. On turn 145 and since around turn 10 I've been the number 1 faction. I've won around 70 battles and only lost about 4. I find great success in having super basic armies like 11 spearmen units, and 8 light armor archer units. My better armies I stack either Phoenix Guard or Loremasters of Hoeth as my front. Roll with around 5-6 units of light armor archers, and then some dragons to top it off. Definitley my favorite faction so far.

[Björn]

Learn the game, try to understand what the stats mean and ask. Do not complain about something that you clearly know nothing about

[Smiling "Lucky" Lynx]

As many have said; you need a hammer for that anvil. They are meant to hold a pretty little line, they aren't unit wreckers that can go toe-to-toe with crazy chaos stuff. White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Swordmasters...You have options here that can trade with the toughest Chaos in melee. At least back them up with archers or something. They have an annoying marine hybrid of the two last I checked.

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by Jorkfriend:

"my faction's cheapest infantry unit sucks"

gee i wonder why

No, it's a legitimate complaint. Compare Clanrats which cost signifiantly less and perform about as well. Spearmen are very cost ineffective.

[Jork]

Originally posted by Pidgeotto:

Originally posted by Jorkfriend:

"my faction's cheapest infantry unit sucks"

gee i wonder why

No, it's a legitimate complaint. Compare Clanrats which cost signifiantly less and perform about as well. Spearmen are very cost ineffective.

Originally posted by Socrates Bound:

They are meant to hold a pretty little line, they aren't unit wreckers.

[Gom]

Keep in mind, all HE infantry units have a trait called Martial Prowess that adds huge defense buff when over half HP.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Pidgeotto:

Originally posted by Jorkfriend:

"my faction's cheapest infantry unit sucks"

gee i wonder why

No, it's a legitimate complaint. Compare Clanrats which cost signifiantly less and perform about as well. Spearmen are very cost ineffective.

Spearmen VS Clanrat Spears (Shields). Let's see.. (This is on Ultra for the record)

Clanrats have 2040 HP more, -15 armor, bronze shields instead of silver, -25 leadership, +9 speed, -2 melee attack, -10 melee defence, -2 weapon strength, -6 bonus against large, +2 charge bonus. Oh, and the HE spears get Martial Prowess on top of that.

And the difference in cost? 400 recruitment and 100 upkeep for Clanrat Spears (Shields),500-138 for Spearmen.

I don't know about you but I'd rather cough up the slight extra for the HE spears.

[Gom]

Spearmen with Martial Prowess has 22attack and 50(!) defense. Just did a test and Spearmen beats Clanrat while still having 88men alive.

[Arkham51]

I think High Elves have the strongest early game armies of the entire series. Just use your Spearmen to hold the line and have loads of archers in your army all focus fire on a single target. They will wipe out entire units within seconds.

[Grubbs008]

shielded sea guards in front, let them shoot infront of the archers, then turn them into melee.. Spear Wall.. = Win.