Total War: WARHAMMER II

Total War: WARHAMMER II

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yoda gaming Aug 26, 2017 @ 3:55pm
Who is the strongest fighter of all time in Warhammer fantasy?
Is it Aenarion? if not , who is?
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Mactalon Aug 27, 2017 @ 3:06pm 
Would have to be Abhorash or Gotrek.

Abhorash sort of has that Musashi thing about him (since I was just talking about this with someone elsewhere on the forums) where he became so damn good that nothing's really even a challenge for him anymore save a few things dotted around the world. Much like Musashi he kinda faded into obscurity after his most famous deeds and wanders off. He doesn't have an extensive lore-set but it's pretty firmly in there that he's basically ascended to a whole different realm of skill.

Gotrek we know a lot more of, which does work in his favour a bit. He's got the body count, and not just of the probable tens of thousands of Skaven/Orcs/Beastmen/Humans/Undead/Chaosgribblies/minions he's carved his way through.

He easily beats things like giant spiders and Rat Ogres just for fun, so more of the bigger ones are things like - a lava daemon, at least 3 different greater daemons (one of them twice, one technically didn't die but it ran away which is still pretty telling), Chaos Lords of varying kinds, some kind of Old One throwback, some Sea Monster cousin of the Watcher in the Lake from LotR, a Sky Titan. (Edit: Krell, at least twice)
Honourable mentions to Throgg and Be'lakor who he beat but both I believe lived to run away (I haven't got those books, curses), a Vampire Lord going beserk channeling the power of Nagash that Snorri killed by accident, and a Dragon which Felix killed, but he still did most of the heavy lifting XD.
We do a lot of matchups of X vs Y on here but he's already done a hell of a lot of them. He comes out wounded from a lot of the fights but that also seems to lessen as time goes on and he becomes too good.

The Green Knight is up there, but both Abhorash and Gotrek would beat him. He's also not protected from Gotrek like he normally is against most since his axe would destroy him just as it does other ethereals and daemons. I'm presuming Abhorash also has a magic sword but I feel the Green Knight would be obliged to concede to the better sword skill in any case :P

In all the endless matchups of X vs Y, Abhorash and Gotrek are the only two who I think are automatic wins because of their own immense skill, and an Abhorash vs Gotrek I don't think is a match that has a winner.
Last edited by Mactalon; Aug 27, 2017 @ 3:07pm
Ark Aug 27, 2017 @ 4:09pm 
Originally posted by Mactalon:
Would have to be Abhorash or Gotrek.

Abhorash sort of has that Musashi thing about him (since I was just talking about this with someone elsewhere on the forums) where he became so damn good that nothing's really even a challenge for him anymore save a few things dotted around the world. Much like Musashi he kinda faded into obscurity after his most famous deeds and wanders off. He doesn't have an extensive lore-set but it's pretty firmly in there that he's basically ascended to a whole different realm of skill.

Gotrek we know a lot more of, which does work in his favour a bit. He's got the body count, and not just of the probable tens of thousands of Skaven/Orcs/Beastmen/Humans/Undead/Chaosgribblies/minions he's carved his way through.

He easily beats things like giant spiders and Rat Ogres just for fun, so more of the bigger ones are things like - a lava daemon, at least 3 different greater daemons (one of them twice, one technically didn't die but it ran away which is still pretty telling), Chaos Lords of varying kinds, some kind of Old One throwback, some Sea Monster cousin of the Watcher in the Lake from LotR, a Sky Titan. (Edit: Krell, at least twice)
Honourable mentions to Throgg and Be'lakor who he beat but both I believe lived to run away (I haven't got those books, curses), a Vampire Lord going beserk channeling the power of Nagash that Snorri killed by accident, and a Dragon which Felix killed, but he still did most of the heavy lifting XD.
We do a lot of matchups of X vs Y on here but he's already done a hell of a lot of them. He comes out wounded from a lot of the fights but that also seems to lessen as time goes on and he becomes too good.

The Green Knight is up there, but both Abhorash and Gotrek would beat him. He's also not protected from Gotrek like he normally is against most since his axe would destroy him just as it does other ethereals and daemons. I'm presuming Abhorash also has a magic sword but I feel the Green Knight would be obliged to concede to the better sword skill in any case :P

In all the endless matchups of X vs Y, Abhorash and Gotrek are the only two who I think are automatic wins because of their own immense skill, and an Abhorash vs Gotrek I don't think is a match that has a winner.


ok so your own personal opinons here what about

Archaon
Kholek
Sigmar
Aenarion
Grimgor
Nagash
Tyrion

why would you not place any of these up there?

because I bet you are counting with what kind of gear Aborash and gotrek has right? and their lvl of spells
Last edited by Ark; Aug 27, 2017 @ 4:10pm
Jack Deth Aug 27, 2017 @ 4:19pm 
Originally posted by Daliena:

On the spellcaster category, I genuinely wonder how Thanquol would do if he got his ♥♥♥♥ together and stopped being so incredibly incompetent for a day. I mean he seems to massively overcast his spells by plain old accident at times.

He wouldn't rank high at all. Even in Skavendom their are much more powerful spellcasters than Thanquol.

Spellcaster wise even before End Times Nagash was up their (we have to avoid the jobbing that happens if you are a villain in any form of discussion of this nature).

To the topic as others have stated Abhorash is/was.

I'm sad as Abhorash was supposed to star in the third-ish book of one of the vampire story lines (first was Neffy then W'soran which was when they decided to end the books).
Last edited by Jack Deth; Aug 27, 2017 @ 4:21pm
Donut Steel Aug 27, 2017 @ 4:26pm 
People keep overlooking Grimgor because they can't face up to it.

He was a fighter so fighty they had to retcon him into being killed by Archaeon.

Anyone else who could only be killed by a retcon?
Pizzza_box Aug 28, 2017 @ 12:08am 
Originally posted by Arch Demon:
Originally posted by Mactalon:
Would have to be Abhorash or Gotrek.

Abhorash sort of has that Musashi thing about him (since I was just talking about this with someone elsewhere on the forums) where he became so damn good that nothing's really even a challenge for him anymore save a few things dotted around the world. Much like Musashi he kinda faded into obscurity after his most famous deeds and wanders off. He doesn't have an extensive lore-set but it's pretty firmly in there that he's basically ascended to a whole different realm of skill.

Gotrek we know a lot more of, which does work in his favour a bit. He's got the body count, and not just of the probable tens of thousands of Skaven/Orcs/Beastmen/Humans/Undead/Chaosgribblies/minions he's carved his way through.

He easily beats things like giant spiders and Rat Ogres just for fun, so more of the bigger ones are things like - a lava daemon, at least 3 different greater daemons (one of them twice, one technically didn't die but it ran away which is still pretty telling), Chaos Lords of varying kinds, some kind of Old One throwback, some Sea Monster cousin of the Watcher in the Lake from LotR, a Sky Titan. (Edit: Krell, at least twice)
Honourable mentions to Throgg and Be'lakor who he beat but both I believe lived to run away (I haven't got those books, curses), a Vampire Lord going beserk channeling the power of Nagash that Snorri killed by accident, and a Dragon which Felix killed, but he still did most of the heavy lifting XD.
We do a lot of matchups of X vs Y on here but he's already done a hell of a lot of them. He comes out wounded from a lot of the fights but that also seems to lessen as time goes on and he becomes too good.

The Green Knight is up there, but both Abhorash and Gotrek would beat him. He's also not protected from Gotrek like he normally is against most since his axe would destroy him just as it does other ethereals and daemons. I'm presuming Abhorash also has a magic sword but I feel the Green Knight would be obliged to concede to the better sword skill in any case :P

In all the endless matchups of X vs Y, Abhorash and Gotrek are the only two who I think are automatic wins because of their own immense skill, and an Abhorash vs Gotrek I don't think is a match that has a winner.


ok so your own personal opinons here what about

Archaon
Kholek
Sigmar
Aenarion
Grimgor
Nagash
Tyrion

why would you not place any of these up there?

because I bet you are counting with what kind of gear Aborash and gotrek has right? and their lvl of spells

What on earth is Nagash doing in that list ? The bloke is a spellcaster, not a CC fighter, he got rekt by a human with a "Swordofdeath 3000" he might do ok againts your average scrubs but fighters like Tyrion would rip him a new one.
Last edited by Pizzza_box; Aug 28, 2017 @ 12:08am
NoNameMcNobody Aug 28, 2017 @ 2:30am 
lol, Wulfrik...
The only time he dueled with someone (valten) that was not a throw-away in the lore, he got his head smashed.
Reverend Belial Aug 28, 2017 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by Pizzza_box:
What on earth is Nagash doing in that list ? The bloke is a spellcaster, not a CC fighter, he got rekt by a human with a "Swordofdeath 3000" he might do ok againts your average scrubs but fighters like Tyrion would rip him a new one.
Actually Nagash is a pretty competant sword fighter, a big part of his defeat at the hands of Alcadizaar was the fact that he was exhausted from his curse on Nehekhara which he had finished casting only seconds before.
Pizzza_box Aug 28, 2017 @ 8:13am 
Originally posted by Reverend Belial:
Originally posted by Pizzza_box:
What on earth is Nagash doing in that list ? The bloke is a spellcaster, not a CC fighter, he got rekt by a human with a "Swordofdeath 3000" he might do ok againts your average scrubs but fighters like Tyrion would rip him a new one.
Actually Nagash is a pretty competant sword fighter, a big part of his defeat at the hands of Alcadizaar was the fact that he was exhausted from his curse on Nehekhara which he had finished casting only seconds before.
Yes, I meant that whole thing as a joke but solely being a "competant" sword fighter doesn't get you on that list alongside guys like Tyrion or Aenarion.
Mactalon Aug 28, 2017 @ 9:26am 
Originally posted by Pizzza_box:
Originally posted by Arch Demon:


ok so your own personal opinons here what about

Archaon
Kholek
Sigmar
Aenarion
Grimgor
Nagash
Tyrion

why would you not place any of these up there?

because I bet you are counting with what kind of gear Aborash and gotrek has right? and their lvl of spells

What on earth is Nagash doing in that list ? The bloke is a spellcaster, not a CC fighter, he got rekt by a human with a "Swordofdeath 3000" he might do ok againts your average scrubs but fighters like Tyrion would rip him a new one.

Well since the question was fighter, not spell caster, I'm with Pizza on this one that Nagash doesn't belong up there to begin with. Even if spells were part of this, he's still not the most powerful spell caster and while a very good fighter he's not really in the running. Also being utterly insane he's shown himself to be beatable on like 7 different occasions. Their character is also important in this, and while yes it's all personal opinion, it's still based in the evidence.

Kholek is also out because while he's giant and ancient that's about all he has going for him. Since A+G's bread and butter is taking out things like Dragons and Sky Titans, he's not going to win. Also, considering he's powered by Chaos he's going to have a problem that Archaon will also have with Gotrek, namely his axe. Spell powers or not, Gotrek is essentially immune to them due to his axe being the most anti-Chaos thing in existence, being Grimnir's and all. It literally cuts through spells in some instances and all of Archaon's armour, weapons and spells would make him almost more vulnerable.

Grimgor would likely go the way of Ugrek Manflayer. Ugrek was so good with his magical cleaver that no one could follow his movements, so fast despite his massive Orc size that his attacks seemed like a blur. Gotrek ended him without breaking a sweat, after fighting through a large number of orcs, spiders, black orcs...and a dragon. Grimgor would be a challenge more than Ugrek of course, but still. A problem both he and Sigmar would have too is the weight of their weapons. Although both use their large weapons with unnatural speed, they'd ultimately be slower than A+G. When everybody moves with god-like speed, I'm with the two that have the more manoeuvrable weapons. Gotrek's axe is also just as durable as the heavy weapons being unbreakable.

The Elves are trickier, Aenarion is better than Tyrion who I don't think can stand up to A+G. Aenarion with Widowmaker in hand probably puts him at equal footing with the other two. Again the madness is an issue however. With Abhorash being the perfect warrior he's essentially above that sort of thing, and while Gotrek can go berserk sometimes in battle when it comes to fighting his greatest challenges he always hits that peak balance between rage and serenity which gives him focus rather than leaving openings. Tyrion bears the curse of Aenarion, and Aenarion is himself the source of that. Madness can ultimately be a weakness and a distraction, which is why they lose out to A+G. Thanquol is probably one of the top 5 strongest non-Slann sorcerers in the setting but is so insane he usually lacks the focus to use his power efficiently. It's a strong character flaw.
Fantoche Aug 28, 2017 @ 10:05am 
GRIMGOR IRONHIDE
Pirate King Aug 28, 2017 @ 11:50am 
Originally posted by Arec Balrin:
Among mortals: Grimgor Ironhide.

Among deities: Grimgor Ironhide(he's suspected to be an incarnation of Gork by some Greenskins).
Until Archaeon makes him RIP. I don't think the end times are retcon.
It would be Sigmar of course, if he qualifies.

Also isn't Grombrindal stronger than Gotrek? I realize they are both just dank memes.
Last edited by Pirate King; Aug 28, 2017 @ 12:03pm
Zoie Shales Aug 28, 2017 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by Fantoche Dreemurr:
GRIMGOR IRONHIDE
No-No! Queek Headtaker is best fighter, all the stuff for Queek! Take your head!

But being serious, the best fighter is probabbly Abhorash or Archaon with his plot armor.
Last edited by Zoie Shales; Aug 28, 2017 @ 11:56am
Fantoche Aug 28, 2017 @ 11:56am 
Grimgor would kick Archaon around like a ragdoll
Zoie Shales Aug 28, 2017 @ 12:03pm 
Originally posted by Fantoche Dreemurr:
Grimgor would kick Archaon around like a ragdoll

Yes, but again...plot...

Afterwords Grimgor died after beating up the everchosen, who panicked and was forced to summon the power of his daemon blade to slay Grimgor, and the world ended, with Archaon getting a demonic powerboost in AoS.
Pizzza_box Aug 28, 2017 @ 12:55pm 
Originally posted by Mactalon:
Originally posted by Pizzza_box:

What on earth is Nagash doing in that list ? The bloke is a spellcaster, not a CC fighter, he got rekt by a human with a "Swordofdeath 3000" he might do ok againts your average scrubs but fighters like Tyrion would rip him a new one.

Well since the question was fighter, not spell caster, I'm with Pizza on this one that Nagash doesn't belong up there to begin with. Even if spells were part of this, he's still not the most powerful spell caster and while a very good fighter he's not really in the running. Also being utterly insane he's shown himself to be beatable on like 7 different occasions. Their character is also important in this, and while yes it's all personal opinion, it's still based in the evidence.

Kholek is also out because while he's giant and ancient that's about all he has going for him. Since A+G's bread and butter is taking out things like Dragons and Sky Titans, he's not going to win. Also, considering he's powered by Chaos he's going to have a problem that Archaon will also have with Gotrek, namely his axe. Spell powers or not, Gotrek is essentially immune to them due to his axe being the most anti-Chaos thing in existence, being Grimnir's and all. It literally cuts through spells in some instances and all of Archaon's armour, weapons and spells would make him almost more vulnerable.

Grimgor would likely go the way of Ugrek Manflayer. Ugrek was so good with his magical cleaver that no one could follow his movements, so fast despite his massive Orc size that his attacks seemed like a blur. Gotrek ended him without breaking a sweat, after fighting through a large number of orcs, spiders, black orcs...and a dragon. Grimgor would be a challenge more than Ugrek of course, but still. A problem both he and Sigmar would have too is the weight of their weapons. Although both use their large weapons with unnatural speed, they'd ultimately be slower than A+G. When everybody moves with god-like speed, I'm with the two that have the more manoeuvrable weapons. Gotrek's axe is also just as durable as the heavy weapons being unbreakable.

The Elves are trickier, Aenarion is better than Tyrion who I don't think can stand up to A+G. Aenarion with Widowmaker in hand probably puts him at equal footing with the other two. Again the madness is an issue however. With Abhorash being the perfect warrior he's essentially above that sort of thing, and while Gotrek can go berserk sometimes in battle when it comes to fighting his greatest challenges he always hits that peak balance between rage and serenity which gives him focus rather than leaving openings. Tyrion bears the curse of Aenarion, and Aenarion is himself the source of that. Madness can ultimately be a weakness and a distraction, which is why they lose out to A+G. Thanquol is probably one of the top 5 strongest non-Slann sorcerers in the setting but is so insane he usually lacks the focus to use his power efficiently. It's a strong character flaw.

Aye, Tyrion does suffer from the curse of Aenarion and despite his extraordiany skill, the madness has to be taken into consideration, I read in a few novels that Tyrion tends to go berserk in fights he is losing or are simply too difficult to be over quicky and in a contest as stricky as this with competitors not stuck with such a difficulty, it might be the little drop that tips the balance to the enemy.
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