FIX THE AI PROBLEMS

[Purple Heart]

1) %100 accurate passes. They can constantly do 180 degree passes and it will still be accurate even with second league players. Same second league players also can control and pass the ball with heel. WTF? (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter except first two difficulties I don't know about them but I played on all other difficulties both Master League and normal matches) (from now on when I say "difficulty does not matter" you know I mean this)

2) Perfectly shields ball at will. (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

3) 1 shot=1 goal most of the time. (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

4) %100 perfect absolutely no foul tackles. (who needs freekicks on a football game, right? Also stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

5) Perfect dribbling with "literally who?" wingers from second league. (did I mention stats does not matter?) (difficulty does not matter)

6) Every team plays 11 man defending when I have the ball. The problem is not numbers actually but every team plays same strategy + add this with their superhuman reactions and ability to block shots and I get a very frustrating experience. (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

7) Every team and player passes just that last instant before I make tackle. (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

8) Every time I slide they instantly adjust ball and player position to get freekick and my player booked meanwhile I have 300+ hours and only have a few freekicks I believe count is should be 20 or 30. (stats does not matter) (difficulty does slightly matter since they are more aggressive on upper difficulties)

9) Did I mention I had only 2 or 3 penalties on my 4 season of ML save? (I NEVER SKIP/SIMULATE MATCH)

10) AI rarely gets a yellow card(maybe 1 yellow card on 5 matches if I am lucky). (stats does not matter) (difficulty does slightly matter since they are more aggressive on upper difficulties BUT still not even close to enough)

11) Like I said before I have 300+ hours and seen AI only get 2 or 3 red cards in TOTAL.

12) Every time I try to shoot AI players slide to block with as many players as possible. I have seen 3 man sliding just to block my players shot even from behind of my shooting player sometimes resulting in my player kissing the ground literally while I don't get a freekick of course. Did I mention those slides ALWAYS have perfect timing? (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

13) Also what am I supposed to do with 11 man defending the box literally every match whenever I have the ball and blocking every shot intercepting every pass I make to penalty area or close EXCEPT passes to wingers? This ******* trash AI literally forces me to play around wingers and cut inside or simply cross(which gets blocked by that trash no name defenders the way). (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

14) AI players legs and hands goes through my players and they get away with this? They get ball from me and I lose possession because they can literally ghost through my player and get ball from behind. How is this acceptable? (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

15) Another thing is I am playing ML and started playing at regular difficulty(3rd difficulty from beginning I believe). While I NEVER EVER CHANGED difficulty setting I am pretty sure after 4 seasons its now much much more harder. WHY? I want to play at middle difficulty. Nothing more, nothing less. Why can't you simply make this happen? Why? Why? Why? I get it you want to milk online players for their money but I am PLAYING OFFLINE why can't I have the freedom to play on my own chosen difficulty?

16) Currently Master League goal keepers are a beast on REGULAR difficulty saving generally 10 shots or more in a match. Players don't shoot to corners just so keepers can save or keepers literally save everything I throw at them. No I am not shooting from 35m. When I shoot I intend to score not show off. Using advanced shooting setting. (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

17) This one is weird. Happens regularly(nearly every match) and I don't understand why it happens at all. Imagine Messi and he is 1vs1 with keeper inside the box and without any defender interference to Messi in a clear position to goal and he shoots with his strong foot. Now imagine that shot goes out. This happens 2 or 3 times in a row in one match. Without stamina issues. (stats does not matter) (difficulty does not matter)

TL;DR As a Master League only player don't get me wrong this game is potentionally best football game ever made if only it didn't had this **** AI. It has smooth animations and tries to be realistic but fails so hard and is so close to be perfect football game it is annoying me. Sorry if things do not make any sense I am still learning English.

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Its scripting. It makes it so that you cant win every game by just outplaying the AI. They gove themselves an advatage to win and its really annoying. You cant pass becuase the AI already knows where youre gonna pass it, or the game purposely delays the pass to make you lose the ball. Other team has near 100% pass accuracy. Any shot inside the box is an automatic goal. Any freekick within 30 yards is an automatic goal even if the free kick taker has awful shooting stats. I really hope they remove a lot of that ♥♥♥♥

[Purple Heart]

Originally posted by T1lt3d:

Its scripting. It makes it so that you cant win every game by just outplaying the AI. They gove themselves an advatage to win and its really annoying. You cant pass becuase the AI already knows where youre gonna pass it, or the game purposely delays the pass to make you lose the ball. Other team has near 100% pass accuracy. Any shot inside the box is an automatic goal. Any freekick within 30 yards is an automatic goal even if the free kick taker has awful shooting stats. I really hope they remove a lot of that ♥♥♥♥

Sometimes nothing makes sense in this game and everything is decided by RNG and AI. My skills(or simply button inputs) not matter anymore and players respond slower than a turtle or not respond at all.

Sometimes I feel like game is playing itself and I have zero control over what is happening on the screen.

This so called scripting can't be that hard to fix. All they have to do is add some fail chances to AI tackles and shielding also make their reaction times more human (so they don't follow my players every movement instantly) so they don't succeed everything they do %100 of time. If they do this not only it will feel like playing against human but it also will be more realistic.

Maybe devs should focus on fixing their broken AI instead of adding bunch of ****systems to the game like unused freekick system. What is the point of having a new freekick system if I don't even get to use it?

I am not saying developing a complex game/AI is easy. I am just saying those issues should not exist in PES 2018. And last time I heard they had good 3 or 4 years(maybe more idk) to develop this game. What were they thinking when(if?) they were testing the game is beyond me. How can anybody play this game and think this game is normal, fair and totally balanced to play against AI? I mean even after just only 1 match anybody can tell AI team atleast has stamina cheat&lightning reflexes FFS KONAMI.

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Originally posted by furkanmeral7:

Originally posted by T1lt3d:

Its scripting. It makes it so that you cant win every game by just outplaying the AI. They gove themselves an advatage to win and its really annoying. You cant pass becuase the AI already knows where youre gonna pass it, or the game purposely delays the pass to make you lose the ball. Other team has near 100% pass accuracy. Any shot inside the box is an automatic goal. Any freekick within 30 yards is an automatic goal even if the free kick taker has awful shooting stats. I really hope they remove a lot of that ♥♥♥♥

Sometimes nothing makes sense in this game and everything is decided by RNG and AI. My skills(or simply button inputs) not matter anymore and players respond slower than a turtle or not respond at all.

Sometimes I feel like game is playing itself and I have zero control over what is happening on the screen.

This so called scripting can't be that hard to fix. All they have to do is add some fail chances to AI tackles and shielding also make their reaction times more human (so they don't follow my players every movement instantly) so they don't succeed everything they do %100 of time. If they do this not only it will feel like playing against human but it also will be more realistic.

Maybe devs should focus on fixing their broken AI instead of adding bunch of ****systems to the game like unused freekick system. What is the point of having a new freekick system if I don't even get to use it?

I am not saying developing a complex game/AI is easy. I am just saying those issues should not exist in PES 2018. And last time I heard they had good 3 or 4 years(maybe more idk) to develop this game. What were they thinking when(if?) they were testing the game is beyond me. How can anybody play this game and think this game is normal, fair and totally balanced to play against AI? I mean even after just only 1 match anybody can tell AI team atleast has stamina cheat&lightning reflexes FFS KONAMI.

They dont wanna "fix" it. Its not there by mistake. Its there on purpose so that even good players cant beat the AI every time. I just lost a game becuase despite dominating the game, I couldnt score becuase opponent defense and gk were playing perfectly I had like 10 shots on target and De Gea saved all of them and then 88th minute thwy shoot from 40 yards and score and win 1-0. If they wanna add scripting, they need to learn to at least make it hidden somewhat.

[Erectus Sol Invictus Spiritus]

if one looks at the old games and what people wrote back then it actually shows that nothing has changed in the last 20 years or so, even when pes 3 or 4 came out some wrote that the previous games played more free etc. its hilarious, because in todays standards pes 3 and 4 are really nice and free compared to this scriptfest

so basically konami turned to sh i t long time ago, they try to increase the script each year

ps
most probably forgot that e. g. pes 6 already was a huge scripfest, adriano ibra etc., but atleast back then they could hide it way better, todays script is worse than before, its so much into your face

[Purple Heart]

I swear this is the first and last time I bought PES. I am done with this series unless they actually "fix" their broken scriptfest AI. An AI in this game should be playing similar to humans AND NOT scream "hey I am an AI and will frustrate you until you rage quit". I never get this much frustrated in any other game because of an AI.

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Originally posted by furkanmeral7:

I swear this is the first and last time I bought PES. I am done with this series unless they actually "fix" their broken scriptfest AI. An AI in this game should be playing similar to humans AND NOT scream "hey I am an AI and will frustrate you until you rage quit". I never get this much frustrated in any other game because of an AI.

I used to play FIFA until Fifa 14. Same ♥♥♥♥ but worse. Especially online was scripted to help people with the weaker team win. When a game was scripted, every shot within 30 yards is automatic goal, even if its straight at the keeper they'll find a way to let it in. Idk why there can't be a decent football game w/o scripting.

[Alma]

In fact, more we play this game, more we can see it's scripted as well.....In this game everything is done to ruin the experience....They make us frustrated all the time.....

[Purple Heart]

Originally posted by Alma:

In fact, more we play this game, more we can see it's scripted as well.....In this game everything is done to ruin the experience....They make us frustrated all the time.....

Yeah tell me about it. I have 300+ hours in this game and when AI makes a scripted move I can immediately tell if it was scripted or not. 60~70 overall second league player can catch and get the ball from Messi(from behind and while Messi is dribbling at top speed), stop instantly, turn instantly and pass it away to a teammate with heel under a second while Messi does that stupid tackle animation so I can't even control him at all. Totally not scripted so funny haha.

Originally posted by T1lt3d:

Originally posted by furkanmeral7:

I swear this is the first and last time I bought PES. I am done with this series unless they actually "fix" their broken scriptfest AI. An AI in this game should be playing similar to humans AND NOT scream "hey I am an AI and will frustrate you until you rage quit". I never get this much frustrated in any other game because of an AI.

I used to play FIFA until Fifa 14. Same ♥♥♥♥ but worse. Especially online was scripted to help people with the weaker team win. When a game was scripted, every shot within 30 yards is automatic goal, even if its straight at the keeper they'll find a way to let it in. Idk why there can't be a decent football game w/o scripting.

Because its impossible(to be script free). AI literally has to be coded(or scripted for whatever) to do a job. What developers need to do is add fail/mistake chances to AI so they do something wrong sometimes(like giving away freekick, getting a red card, bad shooting/passing etc.) and limit their reaction speed to more human levels. This will feel like playing against a human being and not against an AI. Worst part is those developers got my money for this **** game. Next time I am going to pirate or wait for a free version first to see if its worth it.

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Originally posted by furkanmeral7:

Originally posted by Alma:

In fact, more we play this game, more we can see it's scripted as well.....In this game everything is done to ruin the experience....They make us frustrated all the time.....

Yeah tell me about it. I have 300+ hours in this game and when AI makes a scripted move I can immediately tell if it was scripted or not. 60~70 overall second league player can catch and get the ball from Messi(from behind and while Messi is dribbling at top speed), stop instantly, turn instantly and pass it away to a teammate with heel under a second while Messi does that stupid tackle animation so I can't even control him at all. Totally not scripted so funny haha.

Originally posted by T1lt3d:

I used to play FIFA until Fifa 14. Same ♥♥♥♥ but worse. Especially online was scripted to help people with the weaker team win. When a game was scripted, every shot within 30 yards is automatic goal, even if its straight at the keeper they'll find a way to let it in. Idk why there can't be a decent football game w/o scripting.

Because its impossible(to be script free). AI literally has to be coded(or scripted for whatever) to do a job. What developers need to do is add fail/mistake chances to AI so they do something wrong sometimes(like giving away freekick, getting a red card, bad shooting/passing etc.) and limit their reaction speed to more human levels. This will feel like playing against a human being and not against an AI. Worst part is those developers got my money for this **** game. Next time I am going to pirate or wait for a free version first to see if its worth it.

Its not that they "forgot" to add fail chances. They are there on purpose. When you're playing a non-scripted game or even a game that you're scripted to win, the AI often misplaces passes, misses easy shots, given away penalites, etc. However, some games, (this is especially noticable in master league) the game decides you need to lose, and it will make you lose at any cost. It means teams like West Brom playing tiki-taka with 98% passing, or winning every single long ball, or your goalkeeper becoming ♥♥♥♥ and letting in a shot straight at him, or it decides to make your player be unresposive for a split second, or slow down, or whatever to allow the AI to get a goal. If you play master league it becomes very obvious. I was playing on Top Player difficulty. First 1/3 of the season was not scripted at all. By then my team was 19W -0D -1L in the league with like 15 point gap at the top of the table. Then the scripting came in. Every game became stupidly hard. Even ♥♥♥♥ teams would have 98% passing and win 1-0 because of the scripting. This happens so that the rest of the league can catch up and you dont just run away with it. Its supposed to give a "challenge" I suppose but in the end, its just extremely annoying and unfun to play against.

Also, I have nearly 150 hrs in this game. I have NEVER seen an AI get a red card. They give away penalties very rarely too. I usually play on superstar difficulty and the defending is OP. I've seen myabe 3 penalties given away by the AI the whole time.

[Noma]

You're all speaking the truth here. Only 50 hours in this and I didn't played since three months ago as I was disgusted with the game. I'm thinking about coming back to PES 2017, as even though is wasn't "script free", you could still enjoy the game.

[Purple Heart]

Its impossible to not be disgusted/frustrated with this game. Especially while playing Master League. Just like T1lt3d said if I start to win too much game decides I need to lose and nerfs my players, buffs AI team heavily to the point of all of them becoming Messi and Ronaldo no matter who they are. For example I started Master League at regular difficulty(I can win at superstar but its annoying me too much so selected less stressful difficulty) and never lose(not even draw) BUT after 4 seasons SD Eibar defeated me in a League match. My players form, condition and stamina was all good and I have a custom created superstar team(they all are 85+ overall) . And SD Eibar defeated me with their superior 60~70 overall players. I can literally feel game isn't at regular difficulty anymore instead its pretty much close to superstar. What is the point of mine chosen difficulty when game literally decides that I need to lose and adjust difficulty itself? If that was happening online I could understand that as a way to make players buy GP or whatever(still a ♥♥♥♥ move) but this literally has no excuse, especially in 2018.

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Originally posted by Noma:

You're all speaking the truth here. Only 50 hours in this and I didn't played since three months ago as I was disgusted with the game. I'm thinking about coming back to PES 2017, as even though is wasn't "script free", you could still enjoy the game.

Pes 2017 was even worse scripting imo. But 2018 is still awful. I'm probably never buying another pes title till they fix this.

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Even playing multiple exhibition matches in a row, you can clearly see some are scripted while others aren't. Absolutely disgusting.

[Alma]

KONAMI = SNEAKY ASIANS

If you like MGS, just see what they're gonna sell very soon.............NVM else

CAPCOM, KONAMI, EA..............All the same bastards

[Purple Heart]

Originally posted by Alma:

KONAMI = SNEAKY ASIANS

If you like MGS, just see what they're gonna sell very soon.............NVM else

CAPCOM, KONAMI, EA..............All the same bastards

You mean Metal Gear Survive? That game is also trash(for me anyway). Its online only but it can be played solo. You have to be connected to the servers all the time even when playing solo.

Originally posted by T1lt3d:

Even playing multiple exhibition matches in a row, you can clearly see some are scripted while others aren't. Absolutely disgusting.

Agreed, but for me its on another level in Master League. I can win at superstar difficulty in exhibition matches against strong teams BUT can't win against a second league team in Master League. This is clearly cheating/scripting. Its just so different.