Is this game like... Worse on PC?!

[Yekkusu]

I have a doubt here and I want to ask this to all of you, especially those of you who have a PS4.
This game was first ported from PS VITA to PC, and it mostly looks just like a Ps Vita direct port.
The HUD is not sharp, the images doesn't look as crisp because of it.
Then I noticed that the game size on Steam is about 2.5GB while on PS4 is around 5GB.

Now, here was I playing this game all happy, with the maximum confitgurations as possible, and I get a notification that one of my fav youtubers are playing this game, so I decide to watch it, open the video on my second monitor while I play on the first because YES I can multi task, and what do I find? He's playing the PS4 por, the images are sharp, all the TEXT both on the HUd and the text boxes are sharp, the "sun HUD" looks WAY BETTER on there and then I started to wonder:
Why is a PC port looking worse than a PS4 port?

Usually it's the other way around, the PC looks better it's sharper and good to look at.
When I see him playing the game I think I'm looking to a good remaster, and I look at my own game on Steam and it looks like a bad emulation of the PS VITA port.

I found tons of bugs on the game here, but why in the freaking hell XSEED ported this game so badly to PC while they released it so... well done on the aspects that should be well done.

With Trails of Cold Steel one and two, we can download some mods that replace the bad quality image sizes from the PS3 version to better image sizes but in this game we don't have that.

Anyways, I'm just wondering. If you're wondering too, try to check "Ys: Memories of Celceta - Let's play Ps4" and make sure the guy is playing a PS4 version, not the PC one, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I'm quite sad here.

[Id3alistic]

The PS4 port just recently came out and they gave it a lot of love.

No idea if the updates will come to the PC version or not. PC version is fine to me so idk what bugs you are talking about.

[Azerate]

Yeah it seems the graphics are a bit better, but that's really not that big of a deal.

Not sure what bugs you found. I completed all the steam achievements in the game a couple weeks back and have seen no bugs.

[Yekkusu]

Originally posted by Azerate:

Yeah it seems the graphics are a bit better, but that's really not that big of a deal.

Not sure what bugs you found. I completed all the steam achievements in the game a couple weeks back and have seen no bugs.

About the graphics: To me at least, the crispier the better, it's hard to tell console users that the PC is the best way to go when the PC clearly is inferior in that regard. As a Fan of the series, I want to have it anywhere really, but right now, it makes no sense for me to wait for a PC port of Falcom games when they are poorly done.

About glitches: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2219551083
I had this and no matter what config I use, I always have this issue.

At least there's a big fan of the game already creating a MOD with Reshader to add better textures in the entire game but I can't fathom the feeling that XSEED devs should do this, not fans.

It's the same with Cold Steel I and II. They only added Japanese voices AFTER we ran out of our way to add them AND NISA's version of Cold Steel III had the original voices too, which they knew they would HAVE to put on the PS4 re-releases of CS1-2.

The fact is: I feel that for every port of Falcom Games made by XSEED (and CS3 by Durante's team), are lacking in content if we look at the PS4 releases. Almost like: "The Pc games can mod, so we don't need to put a good effort there, now the Console people will pay more for our game, so let's make it better there".

Man I have so many issues with CS1 - 3 ports on PC, and all of those were done by Durante's team, and in CS3 especifically I have some issues with assets they preffered to just grab from CS1-2 instead of using the originals from PS4 version. In the end I'm having this lingering feeling that the PC version is not the best version to buy of those games because of things that could be avoided but aren't. And that's sad.

[Ikagura]

Considering how this is a Vita game graphics aren't that much of a big deal here

[israel-silva]

Originally posted by Yekkusu:

Originally posted by Azerate:

Yeah it seems the graphics are a bit better, but that's really not that big of a deal.

Not sure what bugs you found. I completed all the steam achievements in the game a couple weeks back and have seen no bugs.

About the graphics: To me at least, the crispier the better, it's hard to tell console users that the PC is the best way to go when the PC clearly is inferior in that regard. As a Fan of the series, I want to have it anywhere really, but right now, it makes no sense for me to wait for a PC port of Falcom games when they are poorly done.

About glitches: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2219551083
I had this and no matter what config I use, I always have this issue.

At least there's a big fan of the game already creating a MOD with Reshader to add better textures in the entire game but I can't fathom the feeling that XSEED devs should do this, not fans.

It's the same with Cold Steel I and II. They only added Japanese voices AFTER we ran out of our way to add them AND NISA's version of Cold Steel III had the original voices too, which they knew they would HAVE to put on the PS4 re-releases of CS1-2.

The fact is: I feel that for every port of Falcom Games made by XSEED (and CS3 by Durante's team), are lacking in content if we look at the PS4 releases. Almost like: "The Pc games can mod, so we don't need to put a good effort there, now the Console people will pay more for our game, so let's make it better there".

Man I have so many issues with CS1 - 3 ports on PC, and all of those were done by Durante's team, and in CS3 especifically I have some issues with assets they preffered to just grab from CS1-2 instead of using the originals from PS4 version. In the end I'm having this lingering feeling that the PC version is not the best version to buy of those games because of things that could be avoided but aren't. And that's sad.

Where is this mod ?

[HideoKoncima]

I bought the game last day, but after I read this topic, I asked for a refund.
I'm tired of disrespectful publishers. Xseed always release the uber duper version of their games on Sony platforms, and the poor man version on PC.
And with Ys, is not even that bad. With Legend of Heroes TitS, PC versions of their games, are quite expensive and not even on-par with the PS Vita version.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by SiegfriedM:

I bought the game last day, but after I read this topic, I asked for a refund.
I'm tired of disrespectful publishers. Xseed always release the uber duper version of their games on Sony platforms, and the poor man version on PC.
And with Ys, is not even that bad. With Legend of Heroes TitS, PC versions of their games, are quite expensive and not even on-par with the PS Vita version.

I bought the game during sales and I didn't refund it.

I won't buy a Sony console just for a fancy graphical overhaul.

[theclaw135]

Originally posted by SiegfriedM:

I bought the game last day, but after I read this topic, I asked for a refund.
I'm tired of disrespectful publishers. Xseed always release the uber duper version of their games on Sony platforms, and the poor man version on PC.
And with Ys, is not even that bad. With Legend of Heroes TitS, PC versions of their games, are quite expensive and not even on-par with the PS Vita version.

Well Xseed couldn't port what they didn't have. The PC version released before the PS4 version.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by theclaw135:

Originally posted by SiegfriedM:

I bought the game last day, but after I read this topic, I asked for a refund.
I'm tired of disrespectful publishers. Xseed always release the uber duper version of their games on Sony platforms, and the poor man version on PC.
And with Ys, is not even that bad. With Legend of Heroes TitS, PC versions of their games, are quite expensive and not even on-par with the PS Vita version.

Well Xseed couldn't port what they didn't have. The PC version released before the PS4 version.

Also Xseed has less porting capabilities than NISA.

And yes, it's painful to say that.

[VeeKain]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by theclaw135:

Well Xseed couldn't port what they didn't have. The PC version released before the PS4 version.

Also Xseed has less porting capabilities than NISA.

And yes, it's painful to say that.

At least NISA doesn't just hand off the PC version to a single person. Now that's embarrassing.

Every time you ask why a feature is missing or something is wrong, everyone just shrugs and says "Hey! Give them a break, it's just one person!" Well, no. Why? That's awful. I'm more upset knowing that I paid money for a version that means so little to Xseed.

[Yekkusu]

Originally posted by VeeKain:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Also Xseed has less porting capabilities than NISA.

And yes, it's painful to say that.

At least NISA doesn't just hand off the PC version to a single person. Now that's embarrassing.

Every time you ask why a feature is missing or something is wrong, everyone just shrugs and says "Hey! Give them a break, it's just one person!" Well, no. Why? That's awful. I'm more upset knowing that I paid money for a version that means so little to Xseed.

Agreed. Nisa failed with Ys 8 for example, but they fixed every single issue with it and are updating the game even today which is insane. Go see what was the last time XSEED updated a game on Steam for this series or the trails series.

Just the fact that the Demo for Ys 8 runs flawlessly and all the important information and configuration are inside the game (with multiple prompts by the way, play with any joystick you want with any buttons prompts you want) makes me like them more. Not only that, the reason we never had the Crossbell saga for Trails series is thast XSEED wanted to make Cold Steel first. Nisa got all of them anyway and are working with fans to make sure the translations are on par or even better than the geofront patch. I still remember the days XSEED got the fan translations for YS Origin, shoved into steam and said it was their translations.

Anyway, I'm quite sad that every single port XSEED does to pc seems rushed and bad and when it goes to PS4 is looks good. Really now.

But for some reason people loves to deffend XSEED, while I'm always frustrated with their PC ports a thing I'm not being with the ports for Nisa.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by VeeKain:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Also Xseed has less porting capabilities than NISA.

And yes, it's painful to say that.

At least NISA doesn't just hand off the PC version to a single person. Now that's embarrassing.

Every time you ask why a feature is missing or something is wrong, everyone just shrugs and says "Hey! Give them a break, it's just one person!" Well, no. Why? That's awful. I'm more upset knowing that I paid money for a version that means so little to Xseed.

I gotta agree but Durante is the only one who could make a great work.

[General Plastro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnui7dqUK4

Unless one is REALLY adamant about having SLIGHTLY upscaled textures and water textures over everything else the PC version has (including not god awful lower model rendering resolution on the PS4), i would say its still the best version.

You can brute force you way with high resolutions on PC, same cant be said for PS4, even a PS4 Pro, since you have no such options.

And if one wants to further make the PC version better than all current ports (this texture pack goes way beyond what the devs did in their upscaling):

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2249250915

[Ikagura]

Having high-res textures on low-poly models feels a bit weird.

[Yekkusu]

Originally posted by General Plastro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnui7dqUK4

Unless one is REALLY adamant about having SLIGHTLY upscaled textures and water textures over everything else the PC version has (including not god awful lower model rendering resolution on the PS4), i would say its still the best version.

You can brute force you way with high resolutions on PC, same cant be said for PS4, even a PS4 Pro, since you have no such options.

And if one wants to further make the PC version better than all current ports (this texture pack goes way beyond what the devs did in their upscaling):

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2249250915

I'm a very technical person, I like that the PC version gives me better options for the Polygons on the 3D models.
But I hate that every single menu feels washed out in any resolution above 960 × 544 which is the Vita's main resolution.
The same issue happened on the Cold Steel 1 and 2 ported by XSEED. The 3D has lots of configurations but every single UI aspect looks washed out, blurry or worse.
I've watched this game on youtube, for god's sake, youtube compress the videos and you lose quality, still, the game is 4 times bigger on Ps4 and have bettter UI textures. I don't care if I'll have to deal with lower polygons. But if you want to call one version the 'best version to play, you HAVE to give me the full package, not wait for fans to fix your lazy port job.

What annoys me the most if that they fixed the UI for Ps4 but never brought those UI fixed elements to Pc. It's the same for the Cold Steel games too D=