ROMS, Prices, and Honest living.

[Tactiqs]

Being an EX fightcade player (trying to live legit) I'm happy that capcom is bringing these games to steam. Whether it's roms or not, it's legit. Now you can say that you can get it for free by downloading, but it's illegal and it's wrong (whether you want to believe it or not), and boasting about it is 10x worse. Nevertheless, the price is still too high, cause lets be honest, who's going to play sf2 when you can play ST. Although there are some other things added, it's still worth half the price of what it is now. Just my opinion.

[theclaw135]

If this really is accurate to the arcade, I'm fine with it.

I don't expect them to revisit such old program code and try to reimplement features that were added to console ports.

[[MDI]]

They don't need to modify any arcade ports, just emulate Dreamcast or PS2 ports depending on the game. The most difficult thing they should have to do if anything is implement local 2p for SFA3 Max.

[Liam Neeson Punching Wolves]

Never played Alpha games of SFIII. Be nice to play SFII again.
Lookin forward to this indeed.

[Brandon]

Just wait for a sale. I agree that $40 is pretty high if you just want a few of the games, and that's even more true if you just want a way to purchase roms for use on Fightcade.

But honestly, if you're not playing on Fightcade solely because you don't own the roms, then you're shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason. Capcom could have just sold these roms on their own website for $5 each or something, but they chose not to. The knew the roms were all out there and anyone could get them. People like you, and people like myself, would have bought some of them just on principal alone. They had nothing to lose by doing that, and only could have made money.

And there is also the option to buy legit versions of these games and hold onto them. I realize it's not the same thing, but I'm sure as hell not going to feel guilty about downloading a rom for a game I own on PS3.

It's great that you have principals over this sort of thing, but it seems to be to a fault. You're ignoring the nuance of the situation.

[his1roguenation]

Originally posted by theclaw135:

If this really is accurate to the arcade, I'm fine with it.

I don't expect them to revisit such old program code and try to reimplement features that were added to console ports.

yeah, we saw just how arcade perfect SF3OE was...
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[Liam Neeson Punching Wolves]

Originally posted by his1roguenation:

Originally posted by theclaw135:

If this really is accurate to the arcade, I'm fine with it.

I don't expect them to revisit such old program code and try to reimplement features that were added to console ports.

yeah, we saw just how arcade perfect SF3OE was...
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That was Iron Galaxy Studios. This has a new netcode.

[Tactiqs]

Originally posted by Punymeyer:

Just wait for a sale. I agree that $40 is pretty high if you just want a few of the games, and that's even more true if you just want a way to purchase roms for use on Fightcade.

But honestly, if you're not playing on Fightcade solely because you don't own the roms, then you're shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason. Capcom could have just sold these roms on their own website for $5 each or something, but they chose not to. The knew the roms were all out there and anyone could get them. People like you, and people like myself, would have bought some of them just on principal alone. They had nothing to lose by doing that, and only could have made money.

And there is also the option to buy legit versions of these games and hold onto them. I realize it's not the same thing, but I'm sure as hell not going to feel guilty about downloading a rom for a game I own on PS3.

It's great that you have principals over this sort of thing, but it seems to be to a fault. You're ignoring the nuance of the situation.

Yes, they could've sold roms at a price on their website, but didn't. Now, if I have a table and I place that table infront of my house and pay no attention to it and people want to buy it and I say no. And that table is starting to rot away and I still pay no attention to it and people want to buy it and I say no. Does that give the people the right to steal it?. If Capcom owns it, it's theirs. Yes we can (and should) ask them to sell us games we want, but if they delay or refuse, do we then have right to take? I probably sound like some capcom fanboy, but I'm really not. This would be the case for anything.

As far as getting a rom after already owning the game, I think it differs for different countries, I'm not quite sure.

[aXe]

Originally posted by Tactiqs:

Stuff about a table

Not being sarcastic, just no point in quoting the whole thing.

The *would you steal the physical object* argument does not apply when 1. We had no option to get these games for years. There was no way to pay Capcom and 2. It doesn't cost anything more to make infinite copies of the roms and you can leave the original where it is. You only have one table, then its gone.

When I can get these 3 games (because lets face it that what this collection really is) for a sensible price I will buy them.

[ghml]

The only one problem of this compilation is the bad choice of versions. Alpha 2 should have been replaced by Alpha 2 Gold, Alpha 3 should have been replaced by Alpha 3 Upper and Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo should have been replaced by Hyper Street Fighter 2.

It is a bit weird to choose downgraded version of games if updates have been released.

[Brandon]

Originally posted by Tactiqs:

Yes we can (and should) ask them to sell us games we want, but if they delay or refuse, do we then have right to take?

I'm going to assume by "right to take," you actually mean are we justified in taking it. To that I say yes. It's not the same thing as your table example. You're not removing the roms from Capcom's possession when you download them for free. Capcom is no worse off either way. I wouldn't steal someone's table just because they aren't using it, but I will definitely illegally download and play games that a publisher offers no legitimate way of playing.

I can't think of a real world table example that actually works, but it's more like if you had a fruit tree that produced fruit all year round, but you never harvested it and just let the fruit fall to the ground and rot. Not only do I believe people would be justified in "stealing" your fruit, but also it would be irrational for you to care about that since you clearly don't care about the fruit in the first place.

Not a perfect analogy, but imo far more comparable.

[theclaw135]

Originally posted by Tactiqs:

Originally posted by Punymeyer:

Just wait for a sale. I agree that $40 is pretty high if you just want a few of the games, and that's even more true if you just want a way to purchase roms for use on Fightcade.

But honestly, if you're not playing on Fightcade solely because you don't own the roms, then you're shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason. Capcom could have just sold these roms on their own website for $5 each or something, but they chose not to. The knew the roms were all out there and anyone could get them. People like you, and people like myself, would have bought some of them just on principal alone. They had nothing to lose by doing that, and only could have made money.

And there is also the option to buy legit versions of these games and hold onto them. I realize it's not the same thing, but I'm sure as hell not going to feel guilty about downloading a rom for a game I own on PS3.

It's great that you have principals over this sort of thing, but it seems to be to a fault. You're ignoring the nuance of the situation.

Yes, they could've sold roms at a price on their website, but didn't. Now, if I have a table and I place that table infront of my house and pay no attention to it and people want to buy it and I say no. And that table is starting to rot away and I still pay no attention to it and people want to buy it and I say no. Does that give the people the right to steal it?. If Capcom owns it, it's theirs. Yes we can (and should) ask them to sell us games we want, but if they delay or refuse, do we then have right to take? I probably sound like some capcom fanboy, but I'm really not. This would be the case for anything.

As far as getting a rom after already owning the game, I think it differs for different countries, I'm not quite sure.

I don't know. Does platform shifting count as legal? As in, buying the arcade board to play the game on Windows.

[ghml]

Originally posted by theclaw135:

Does platform shifting count as legal? As in, buying the arcade board to play the game on Windows.

If you can manage to transfer that exact board info to Windows, without sharing or copying it from somewhere else, it is legal.

However, downloading the same game from your board to play on Windows, it is still illegal, since it is a different serial number board.

[Bad_Conduct]

They didn't for 20 years. Now that 90's nostalgia is trendy, they will cash in on the ignorant.

They should have released this title 10 or 15 years ago when the technology was available. This needs what? A 1Ghz P4 to run properly?

I wouldn't be surprised if they just repackaged open source software and sold it either.
I also wouldn't be surprised if this game ran poorly, or the online was terrible. It's not unusual for Capcom to release a bad port.

And maybe I'm on a different page than other people;

I WILL buy this game at some point.
I'm not paying $40 right now, it's not that good. You can get the new Ghost Recon for less than that right now.
I'll buy it when it goes on sale.

Maybe I'm being "cheap", but I've been playing SFII for 20+ years already, on SNES, arcades, emulators... There's nothing new or exciting here.

Sure, it's got online, but once the nostalgia wears off and everyone moves on to whatever other overpriced game, the online pop will quickly fade away.

[SzDredd]

Why the hell half of the latest topics are like 'Don't pirate ROMs' or 'Don't cry about the price' ? Game is not out yet - it is yet to be seen if the price is right or it is a lazy cash grab.

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Originally posted by node357:

unfortunately, at this stage of the game, if the world tried to employ Stallman's views on free software, the tech industry would collapse and take most of the free world with it. oh well. i'm so sick of copyright and patent bs.

My take on the subject of Warez, Abandoned Ware and Emualtion is that rather I do or don't it's best to keep quite and keep the activity taboo.

During the 90's some 'pirates' were trying to get their games seen by making access to them 'forbidden' to rebellious teens with no jobs but big mouths to spread the word about the games.

This also preserved many games when the original data had been lost in a foreclosure

Enter GOG....