Sonic Mania Negative Reviews

[HexManiacFan]

Listen, we all know that the whole DRM thing sucks. But I feel like giving it a negative review because of this doesnt seem fair. Some people are getting refunds because of this without even playing the game. IT SUCKS WE ALL KNOW IT BUT STOP.

Edit: The main reason why I made this was because I wanted people to rate the game for their actual opinions. Not on a feature that doesnt effect most players.

Edit 2: I dont agree with the DRM either and think its stupid. So dont act like im sucking Segas ♥♥♥♥♥

Edit 3. I'm going to stop responding to some comments because people are acting immature over an issue that will be fixed in a week

Edit 4: I made this discussion to try to stop people from giving people bad reviews for something that doesnt ruin the game. Its Segas fault, not the devs. https://board.sonicstadium.org/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98906497274089472/352191567877898258/IMG_20170829_164327.jpg&key=b2c69ccd112b22dfac4bdbe35de470ba065ff1e8e044c7f139fd054713d8f210

[Spikeyxx]

DRM punishes legitimate buyers. If you don't want this, you have a right to vote with your wallet. If sega refuse you your right to a refund becuase of the preorder and sonic 1 gift, this is wrong.

[The Shinsh]

Originally posted by Spikeyxx:

DRM punishes legitimate buyers. If you don't want this, you have a right to vote with your wallet. If sega refuse you your right to a refund becuase of the preorder and sonic 1 gift, this is wrong.

+1

[ColdWonder]

People need to boycott and review bomb every game game that installs this Denuvo malware untill it finally penetrates the industrys thick skulls that treating customers like criminal scum and crippling their own products in a futile attempt to stop piracy is not acceptible.

[MaitOwO]

Stop crying! pls

Denuvo does nothing to your PC!

[The Shinsh]

Originally posted by Volkner91:

Stop crying! pls

Denuvo does nothing to your PC!

Read the links that were given to you.

Originally posted by Yolomancer:

Hey, click the damn links!

https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

[Erick]

Originally posted by Yolomancer:

http://www.game-debate.com/news/22656/denuvo-pc-performance-impact-tested-doom-benchmarks-with-and-without-denuvo-drm

"A quick disclaimer before we get into this. A lot has changed since we did our GTX 1060 Vulkan benchmarks in July 2016. There has been literally dozens of new Nvidia drivers, any of which may have a positive (or negative) impact on DOOM’s performance. DOOM itself has also been patched, another factor which may affect performance. To that end, we do not know for sure the results of this benchmark are directly indicative of Denuvo’s performance impact, but they do at least form some sort of guideline."

What's a disclaimer?

"Again, we can neither confirm nor deny Denuvo DRM affects PC game performance, but the results are what they are. What do you make of them? And have you noticed any sure-fire times when Denuvo has affect your PC gaming performance? Let us know!"

So...if you are unsure about it, then it's full of buckets of salt to take? I wouldn't call this link proof, more like something that is unsure whether or not to take other factors in mind.

[The Shinsh]

Originally posted by Erick:

Originally posted by Yolomancer:

http://www.game-debate.com/news/22656/denuvo-pc-performance-impact-tested-doom-benchmarks-with-and-without-denuvo-drm

"A quick disclaimer before we get into this. A lot has changed since we did our GTX 1060 Vulkan benchmarks in July 2016. There has been literally dozens of new Nvidia drivers, any of which may have a positive (or negative) impact on DOOM’s performance. DOOM itself has also been patched, another factor which may affect performance. To that end, we do not know for sure the results of this benchmark are directly indicative of Denuvo’s performance impact, but they do at least form some sort of guideline."

What's a disclaimer?

Well, read the first link, i don't care too much about the performance impacts.

[The Shinsh]

Oh sorry I thought you were quoting me. Didn't mean to make it about me.

[Erick]

Originally posted by The "Shinsh" 浄土真宗:

Oh sorry I thought you were quoting me. Didn't mean to make it about me.

I heard Denuvo is in the game and I expect a storm of threads, I got what I want in the end. I am not for or against Denuvo and if anything these threads really make the anti-DRM crowd look pretty dumb.

And yes, dumb, because some threads end up becoming a game of throwing insults at one another.

[Jay Lay]

The issues I have is everything surrounding it.

The delay likely was soely due to Sega last minute asking them to add Denuvo DRM to the game.

The delay was purposefully made 2 weeks, alongside giving us Sonic 1 for free, so that we can't get refunds after we found out they added DRM without ever addressing it before release.
They utilized a loophole in the refund policy in order to stop customers from fighting back.

Bad reviews are the literal ONLY way to combat shady buisness practices on Steam, since Steam allows any scam game or false advertising anti-consumer practice that they recieve.

The game's a 20$ passion project from fans turned developers.
Sega put their grubby little fingers into the game, that's only 20$.

Here's the honest truth about piracy

A large part of pirates, pirate a game to see if it's even worth the money, then buy it if it is.

In modern Steam (Aka the monopoly on PC gaming) there's a ♥♥♥♥ load of awful unfinished games. Companies implementing ANY secondary DRM are ONLY doing it because unlike consoles, we ALWAYS have a choice for gaming, even if we don't have any money, and especially if we don't want to support a company. Console player's ONLY voice is not buying a game, and usually that's when everyone realizes they were ripped off/Lied to.

Of course PC players are going to pirate games, not because they play on PC, but because we actually have an option. Gaming today is worse than it's ever been, at least since the video game crash.

On the other hand, it's people who weren't going to buy the game anyways, and now have even less of a reason to than before. At least then they could justify a purchase when they see it's good/realize the price is only 20$ for the value you recieve.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Malt0n (Youtube):

Listen, we all know that the whole DRM thing sucks. But I feel like giving it a negative review because of this doesnt seem fair. Some people are getting refunds because of this without even playing the game. IT SUCKS WE ALL KNOW IT BUT STOP.

Edit: The main reason why I made this was because I wanted people to rate the game for their actual opinions. Not on a feature that doesnt effect most players.

Edit 2: I dont agree with the DRM either and think its stupid. So dont act like im sucking Segas ♥♥♥♥♥

Edit 3. I'm going to stop responding to some comments because people are acting immature over an issue that will be fixed in a week

Edit 4: I made this discussion to try to stop people from giving people bad reviews for something that doesnt ruin the game. Its Segas fault, not the devs. https://board.sonicstadium.org/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98906497274089472/352191567877898258/IMG_20170829_164327.jpg&key=b2c69ccd112b22dfac4bdbe35de470ba065ff1e8e044c7f139fd054713d8f210

Does anybody have the time to go through all the troll and piracy reviews and threads, and flag them? Steam rules prescribe a permaban for the latter.

[Erick]

Originally posted by Jeremythellama1:

A large part of pirates, pirate a game to see if it's even worth the money, then buy it if it is. .

I am probably getting older but really the big question you are missing is why demos don't exist anymore, and whether they do impact sales I still don't know because the answers are thrown around left and right. And really, I can't take this seriously because why would I buy a game if I can finish it for free, gaming isn't a thing of morality, it's a business and sadly it's just that.

Originally posted by Jeremythellama1:

Of course PC players are going to pirate games, not because they play on PC, but because we actually have an option. Gaming today is worse than it's ever been, at least since the video game crash.

You just answered the earlier statement that can be taken as contradicting. Of course I would take the option free when I can, who wouldn't? And no, gaming is not worse or better, if you only look at the big games it's worse that's for sure. If you look at the few indie games worth caring about and all the other mods for older games, it's pretty much enough to play for your whole life, especially when I don't have as much time to play these days.

Originally posted by Jeremythellama1:

On the other hand, it's people who weren't going to buy the game anyways, and now have even less of a reason to than before. At least then they could justify a purchase when they see it's good/realize the price is only 20$ for the value you recieve.

If people weren't going to buy the game anyways, they weren't going to at all. One thing to do with writing English essays is staying consistent you know. Pretty much the exact reason why discussing game piracy is a lose lose, because human beings don't always think the same and again, games are not morality, people don't care.

I have not stated being for or against Denuvo, but really, it's a massive flip flop is inconsistency with all the claims and myths out there.

[TheForestSpirit]

Originally posted by chino~:

Originally posted by Stevie Wonder:

lol why would you want to play offline? it's 2017. people have phones. Wi-Fi at almost every shop. on busses. taxis. trains. work etc etc your surrounded by internet always. there's no excuse to not be connected online . but then people cry about it always needing to be online???? when your normally always online anyway????? the hell logic is that? god people today are f ing idiots

when denuvo goes down in a few years all these games that have denuvo slapped onto them will be unplayable, while people like me who will pirate said game will have a playable copy forever.

Then because of people like yourself they'll come up with another DRM. You're really not doing yourself or us any favours at all, you think you are but really you're not.

[Miraglyth]

Originally posted by Jeremythellama1:

On the other hand, it's people who weren't going to buy the game anyways

Brief FYI, you need to have bought the game to write a Steam review.

Edit: If the 2,000 people who have rated some reviews were all non-owners and they wrote reviews, the game would be rated at between 35% to 50% positive right now.

While we're on the subject, presently about 20% of the written reviews are from people who bought the game on sites other than Steam. They can still write Steam reviews, but they're not factored into the review score. These reviews average 66%, and if they had been included the game would presently be 70% rather than 71%.

As a reminder, 70% is the threshhold for the "Mostly Positive" rating. Below that is "Mixed" (with a yellow name) so this controversy is coming dangerously close to significantly impacting the game's rating.

[The Shinsh]

Originally posted by Erick:

Originally posted by The "Shinsh" 浄土真宗:

Oh sorry I thought you were quoting me. Didn't mean to make it about me.

I heard Denuvo is in the game and I expect a storm of threads, I got what I want in the end. I am not for or against Denuvo and if anything these threads really make the anti-DRM crowd look pretty dumb.

And yes, dumb, because some threads end up becoming a game of throwing insults at one another.

It starts out like this:
Anti-Denuvo: Denuvo is ♥♥♥♥, it does all this ♥♥♥♥ to your games! (Provides source sometimes such as above) It's anti-consumer!
Pro-Denuvo: Grow up you whiny babies!
Guess people can't go five seconds after starting off well without insulting.