Highest tier horses (T8 atm) should be available in pearl shop aswell.

[Demigod Dan]

Here's why:

-You will get the optimal advantage of the extra horse speed at the beginning of the game, like when doing all the quests. More time spent being faster = more time saved. Having to spend ages on horse breeding or working on requirements to get in a guild with t8 breeders in it = You will have done the majority of stuff by that time already which would make a fast horse useful.

-Horse market is being controlled by people who have so much money due to playing much longer. People who can breed T8's and who are in the top guilds are also trolling other people by keeping em off the market because they can, and then only sell the results which have accel/drift as skills to 'deserving' members in their guild which is timed to perfection through voice comm.

-I also see some people just being parked at the Stable Keeper 24/7. No way that they're manually refreshing; I highly doubt that they're anything other than "auto-buy scripts" (thanks to no bidding time/RNG system like marketplace has). This makes the time spent refreshing for a T8 horse once you have the money for it almost pointless aswell, and goes against actually "playing" the game imo.

So why aren't Kakoa throwing em on the pearl market for an interesting price, say, $70 for a T8 or so? All in favor of the 3rd world country players who can afford to spend the majority of their time playing a game since other aspects of their life sucks or players who are younger than 16 y/o who can't get a job or w/e yet to earn $70? Cause those are the only reasons I can think of as to why this isn't possible yet, and I find these reasons stupid (example: the game has a 16+ age rating so technically younger players shouldn't even be playing this). And not doing this because of how horse breeding works with instant accel being a rare skill would be even dumber.

Faster speed for me equals being able to farm longer and you can buy that on the pearl shop (inv space/weight increase) and horses have even more merit to be on the pearl shop than those things, so chop chop Kakoa. There's money to be made here; tis either that or losing players to frustration caused by facts such as that it's near impossible to buy a proper horse atm because of the current situation. How this hasn't happened yet when you consider that there are no waypoints etc. in this game is beyond me.

[Dysillusion]

rofl please no! i have heard that t9 horses may end up being cash shop though much to my dismay! LOL

on the other hand, evidence from korea shows that they probably won't be and instead will be earned by training a tier 8 horse with certain skills into a tier 9.

[Lighthalzen]

By design, the game promotes you actually making things yourself. So if you want that T8, you're better off breeding it yourself.

If you think about how the marketplace is setup as such, you get much more benefits to using materials yourself for crafting/enchanting.


The game is a business and their goal is to keep players playing. Make things too easily available through the cash shop, and you alienate some players and reduce player retention by trading a end-game goal for short-term cash.

[Caduryn]

And every Horse Breeder will go on a Riot.
OP must be drunk....

[Nymra]

Oh my god, I dont even know where to start. This is the dumbest post i've seen in a long time. I'm sorry, im usually pretty friendly but this is just like wtf? You clearly don't know game mechanics and thus should not be asking for monumentus changes that would collapse markets and ruin/bypass entire aspects of the game.

Firstly you don't get EXP from questing, I hope you actually realised that. So if you're wasting your time running from quest to quest then THAT is whats slowing you down. Take 2 minutes and google how to level up. Then you'll soon realise that if you spend more time actually killing mobs (instead of running around on a horse doing quests) you'll atcually make progress.

Secondly I don't know where you dreamt up these horse lord mafia guilds that are controlling the market but yeah you should probably see somebody about that. Maybe you're not entirely crazy and read an old thread and thus made a stupid post but yeah the new system makes it incredibly difficult to sell horse to friends now.
The system as you put it is RNG. When somebody posts a T8 horse it pops up in big text announcing to everyone in game that "hey a T8 was registered" that horse is now in a QUE, in 10 minutes from that announcement it will be on the horse market. If only there was some way we'd know what time that was?! Like if we could look at a clock or just turn on timestamps in-game, then we'd have an equal chance at buying a horse then some dudes friend! Oh wait, we can do that.... rightttttt yeah! Soooooo, if you are lucky/fast you get to buy a horse.

I bought one, my boyfriend bought one, many of my guildies have bought one. They're being posted literally all day. You don't have to join some secret horse society or sell your first born child in some shady deal. You literally just go to the market and click buy faster then someone else. That or you can just ya know breed one like the horse mafia do. Wait I bred one the other week, am I part of the breeder illuminati now?! Dun dun dunnnnnn!
Google BDO horse taming calculator, buy some horses, breed horses, make gains. Play the game! Thats what most of us did ya know. Hell you can even level horses AFK/overnight using the "auto loop" system. (Google that too btw.)
On release the highest tier horse in the game was T6, and you could only find maximum T2 in the wild. So yeah, none of us were leveling up with a T8. And even if I pretended that having a T8 made some kind of meaningful impact on leveling speed where it actually matters (50+), you really do not need anymore help levelling up faster, since you can hit 50 in a few of hours play if you actually know what you're doing.

Thirdly just because you get a T8 does not mean its good. There are tons of terrible T8's that did not learn the best skills, so are slower then a t5/6 with the best skills. very few people sell horses with perfect skills because surprise its RNG and incredibly difficult to get. RNG means random. No elite breeder badge required. If you're unlucky and get a bad T8 I guess you can throw your $70 at the game and buy a ton of horse skill change coupons. Some more RNG on top of your RNG. Thats how Kaokao make money btw, with more RNG, not by collapsing an entire market and giving everyone the keys to get to end-horse-game instantly.

All jokes aside. True, if you can run to your grind spot a couple of minutes faster then you do get to grind a couple of minutes longer. That or you know you could just ragequit because you're so frustrated that you don't have the best horse in the game in your first few weeks playing...

[Demigod Dan]

Originally posted by caduryn:

And every Horse Breeder will go on a Riot.
OP must be drunk....

So like, maybe 1% of the playerbase? See the thing is, if T8 horse become buyable for ~$70 then people aren't gonna stop breeding horses, and the market isn't gonna be flooded with 100+ pages of T8 horses. The complaints would be largely unfounded. Like really, how many % of the players would buy a horse for $70 if it would be possible? Please use your brain man...

It's the same with buying weight/inventory increase from the pearl shop; you don't HAVE TO buy it, it's just a luxury option for people who aren't poor irl and find the $ spent vs time saved favourable enough to buy into that. As said, the current horse system is stupid because there is almost no point in having a fast horse by the time that you obtain one through the current methods. In other words, something needs to be reworked here; and my suggestion of being able to buy one with $ should be included in that rework.

@Sadie: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I want to do quests because of the rewards that they offer me, kay? No one said anything about exp. And no ♥♥♥♥ I could start breeding horses, the thing is that it takes 1 month+ and as a Steam player I'm already WAYYYY behind day 1 players.

[Ex Azaleane]

Originally posted by Demigod Dan:

-You will get the optimal advantage of the extra horse speed at the beginning of the game, like when doing all the quests.

Who the ♥♥♥♥ does quests? The only quest you NEED to do is the ones up to Velia and the level 50 quest, which you automatically get once you hit level 49.

[Poison]

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[Ghigi]

You can get a T8 with the Shakatu Seals (70). Or you can race and then RNG for it...

[QQ]

Ummm no.... rng sprint and the other skill and you wont need a tier 8 horse to rubberband you off and on the horse its that retarded fast...

[(￣ー￣)]

The higher tier horses run like they're spazzing out and the game doesn't know how to animate them..

But seriously, go east, there's quite a few spots where you'll see nobody and a tier 4-5 horse sitting around.

After that it's just leveling them up then breeding them 1 by 1..

[Jack Randall]

As if we didn't have already the P2W doomsday speakers ,this will just multyply them even worst and more then amebas....

[Smudge]

in other words, everythings too hard and costs too much and i cant be bothered to play the game so id prefer to just spend real money on a game ive already payed real money for. #CoolMan

[Nymra]

Originally posted by Demigod Dan:

@Sadie: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I want to do quests because of the rewards that they offer me, kay? No one said anything about exp. And no ♥♥♥♥ I could start breeding horses, the thing is that it takes 1 month+ and as a Steam player I'm already WAYYYY behind day 1 players.

Originally posted by DFUZE-:

Originally posted by Demigod Dan:

-You will get the optimal advantage of the extra horse speed at the beginning of the game, like when doing all the quests.

Who the ♥♥♥♥ does quests? The only quest you NEED to do is the ones up to Velia and the level 50 quest, which you automatically get once you hit level 49.

Sweet this dude answered for me! But yeah "quests", "rewards", "WAYYY behind." This made me laugh. I still don't think you get it Dan. The reason you're way behind is BECAUSE youre questing lol.

Originally posted by Demigod Dan:

Originally posted by caduryn:

And every Horse Breeder will go on a Riot.
OP must be drunk....

So like, maybe 1% of the playerbase? See the thing is, if T8 horse become buyable for ~$70 then people aren't gonna stop breeding horses, and the market isn't gonna be flooded with 100+ pages of T8 horses. The complaints would be largely unfounded. Like really, how many % of the players would buy a horse for $70 if it would be possible? Please use your brain man...

This is what I meant when I said you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about. You do not understand the playerbase in general. Why would you though, you've been playing the game 10 minutes.

I mean how many people straight up wasted $100 on the base game package which is now in a $50 package and still not worth it imo. Hell my guild leader spent £50 yesterday on a store bundle for JUST a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hedgehog. Thats all he wanted, the pet. Sure its a super cute hedgehog with an OP skill but still, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ T1 hedgehog. Another friend, a casual life-skiller that doesn't even grind, that spent €200 in one day on exchanging pets.That was back near release, god knows how much he's spent by now. Another friend that has 10 characters/alts all with a costume, maximum weight limit and inventory slots?! Do you know how much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ money that is, dear lord, and he doesn't even play the game!!! Just spent a few days leveling each of those characters to 56 and stopped playing.

Hell lets check how much i've spent in the last year, £350 on store purchases, which is equivalent to like 3 years wow subscription. My boyfriend around the same. An I would say that I haven't made any of those sort of outlandish purchases that some of my friends have made. Here's a small sample size though from the forums to show that im not just some random outlier:
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/138767-how-much-have-you-spent/

So don't be so naive for a second to think that nobody is going to actually buy this overpriced pony, because Kaokao are already milking some serious ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ money here in there ridiculously overpriced cash-shop.

But thats neither here nor there because what it comes down to is that you have no clue what percentage of players would purchase this. Or what percentage of players would quit the game because of it. Why would you have any idea though. You don't work for the company, you have no access to statistics. You've been playing for no time at all. You have no clue or care of the impact or ramifications such an addition might create and when this is suggested to you, you just blindy shrug it off or ignore it. And respond with "REEEE I don't want to breed my horse and I can't buy it from the marketplace."

Im not saying your input is useless (except I am saying that, in this case.) There are many aspects of the game that new player feedback could and will drastically help. But yeah "add this to the store so I don't have to play for a month" is probably not one of those cases. Hence the drought of responses agreeing with you.

Like everybody else that has actually played the game said. There'd be outroar from horse breeders because now there hard-work/hours skippable, because now there market is being flooded, because now they may feel pressured to buy T8's instead of actually playing the game and breeding them themselves. And before you reply with yet again some clueless drivel like "why would horse breeders buy it!?" Believe it or not because the horse breeders are the ones pouring money into horse related items, like: breeding resets, skill changes, appearance changes, brand stones, breed wait time acceleration, skill level training. All to make money and/or get the best horse that they can. And in one foul swoop you just removed there goals, the reason they're playing and enjoying the game.
The same as if you added boss loot to the cash-shop. The same as if you added profession level ups to the cash-shop. Everyone is playing the game for different reasons, because we all enjoy different things. Whilst I might not be interested in spending my time breeding horses, there sure as hell are plenty of people that do. So un-suprisingly Kaokao aren't in a hurry to spoil that for them with a cash-shop skip.

You also overlook how many P2W fans would jump on this, because priced at $70 you just created the best cash to silver conversion in the game. With breeding resets on top of that, even with T7's you could make an insane amount of silver compared to buying and selling costumes etc. You only have to look at the marketplace pearl tab to get an idea of how many people are willing to P2W even at these prices. I would pressume that you're one of them.

On top of all of this we have upcoming "horse content." A T9 Pegasus, that REQUIRES you to have a T8 in order to even attempt to get it. So I wonder how popular that cash shop horse would be.

I feel like im just repeating myself now though, but you clearly just don't understand or flat out just don't care. You're new to the game. You don't know the games mechanics. You don't know the games economy. You don't know the playerbase. You ask for another means to P2W. Im just not sure what kind of response you actually expected here? ...

But sigh I've wasted too much time responding to this crap. I should of just responded like everyone else with, LUL NO!

[FdAlchemist]

Originally posted by SadieSaurus:

Originally posted by Demigod Dan:

@Sadie: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I want to do quests because of the rewards that they offer me, kay? No one said anything about exp. And no ♥♥♥♥ I could start breeding horses, the thing is that it takes 1 month+ and as a Steam player I'm already WAYYYY behind day 1 players.

Originally posted by DFUZE-:

Who the ♥♥♥♥ does quests? The only quest you NEED to do is the ones up to Velia and the level 50 quest, which you automatically get once you hit level 49.

Sweet this dude answered for me! But yeah "quests", "rewards", "WAYYY behind." This made me laugh. I still don't think you get it Dan. The reason you're way behind is BECAUSE youre questing lol.

Originally posted by Demigod Dan:

So like, maybe 1% of the playerbase? See the thing is, if T8 horse become buyable for ~$70 then people aren't gonna stop breeding horses, and the market isn't gonna be flooded with 100+ pages of T8 horses. The complaints would be largely unfounded. Like really, how many % of the players would buy a horse for $70 if it would be possible? Please use your brain man...

This is what I meant when I said you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about. You do not understand the playerbase in general. Why would you though, you've been playing the game 10 minutes.

I mean how many people straight up wasted $100 on the base game package which is now in a $50 package and still not worth it imo. Hell my guild leader spent £50 yesterday on a store bundle for JUST a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hedgehog. Thats all he wanted, the pet. Sure its a super cute hedgehog with an OP skill but still, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ T1 hedgehog. Another friend, a casual life-skiller that doesn't even grind, that spent €200 in one day on exchanging pets.That was back near release, god knows how much he's spent by now. Another friend that has 10 characters/alts all with a costume, maximum weight limit and inventory slots?! Do you know how much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ money that is, dear lord, and he doesn't even play the game!!! Just spent a few days leveling each of those characters to 56 and stopped playing.

Hell lets check how much i've spent in the last year, £350 on store purchases, which is equivalent to like 3 years wow subscription. My boyfriend around the same. An I would say that I haven't made any of those sort of outlandish purchases that some of my friends have made. Here's a small sample size though from the forums to show that im not just some random outlier:
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/138767-how-much-have-you-spent/

So don't be so naive for a second to think that nobody is going to actually buy this overpriced pony, because Kaokao are already milking some serious ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ money here in there ridiculously overpriced cash-shop.

But thats neither here nor there because what it comes down to is that you have no clue what percentage of players would purchase this. Or what percentage of players would quit the game because of it. Why would you have any idea though. You don't work for the company, you have no access to statistics. You've been playing for no time at all. You have no clue or care of the impact or ramifications such an addition might create and when this is suggested to you, you just blindy shrug it off or ignore it. And respond with "REEEE I don't want to breed my horse and I can't buy it from the marketplace."

Im not saying your input is useless (except I am saying that, in this case.) There are many aspects of the game that new player feedback could and will drastically help. But yeah "add this to the store so I don't have to play for a month" is probably not one of those cases. Hence the drought of responses agreeing with you.

Like everybody else that has actually played the game said. There'd be outroar from horse breeders because now there hard-work/hours skippable, because now there market is being flooded, because now they may feel pressured to buy T8's instead of actually playing the game and breeding them themselves. And before you reply with yet again some clueless drivel like "why would horse breeders buy it!?" Believe it or not because the horse breeders are the ones pouring money into horse related items, like: breeding resets, skill changes, appearance changes, brand stones, breed wait time acceleration, skill level training. All to make money and/or get the best horse that they can. And in one foul swoop you just removed there goals, the reason they're playing and enjoying the game.
The same as if you added boss loot to the cash-shop. The same as if you added profession level ups to the cash-shop. Everyone is playing the game for different reasons, because we all enjoy different things. Whilst I might not be interested in spending my time breeding horses, there sure as hell are plenty of people that do. So un-suprisingly Kaokao aren't in a hurry to spoil that for them with a cash-shop skip.

You also overlook how many P2W fans would jump on this, because priced at $70 you just created the best cash to silver conversion in the game. With breeding resets on top of that, even with T7's you could make an insane amount of silver compared to buying and selling costumes etc. You only have to look at the marketplace pearl tab to get an idea of how many people are willing to P2W even at these prices. I would pressume that you're one of them.

On top of all of this we have upcoming "horse content." A T9 Pegasus, that REQUIRES you to have a T8 in order to even attempt to get it. So I wonder how popular that cash shop horse would be.

I feel like im just repeating myself now though, but you clearly just don't understand or flat out just don't care. You're new to the game. You don't know the games mechanics. You don't know the games economy. You don't know the playerbase. You ask for another means to P2W. Im just not sure what kind of response you actually expected here? ...

But sigh I've wasted too much time responding to this crap. I should of just responded like everyone else with, LUL NO!

350?? Lmao I've got way over a grand into this game... I'm an outfit screenshot nerd.


As for the OP, I've got about a year into this game and bred out one T7... granted she is a female and has two-seater, but it takes a while to get a T8. About four of my guild members are always in the top 25 and top 10 for horse training because they are always breeding horses. They still jump for joy when the finally score a T8!

Kill mobs, level, make money and just breed them. It's not complicated.

[Ghigi]

Since someone said T9....with the current breeding rate of 13% and the many (at least on the EU server) T8s I see posted on the horse market on a daily basis....I think that getting your own attempt at a T9 will be hard, but not impossible. As for me, basically a breeder in the past 6 months and pretty much nothing else apart from leveling up a DK and a Striker....I won't even touch the T9 (a unicorn gliding mount ? Gimme a break) but I will take advantage of the breeding rate increase that we will hopefully get when the T9 finally hits the game.