Will there be a cross-save between PC and Switch for MH Rise?

[Ravi ♪]

More hacked data or "leaks" from Capcom today suggest Monster Hunter Rise is a timed exclusive on Switch before being available on the PC. Knowing myself, I'll probably end up buying and playing both versions but how likely will there be a cross-save between steam and switch??? I mean, I saw an update where Hades is doing the same thing. Will make my experience and grind so much better If I can just port my character save from Switch over to PC version and vice versa when it comes out.

[★ Moonlight ★]

The leak was a document the had multiple payment proposals, one was timed exclusivity, one was outright exclusivity. According to the leak Nintendo MAY have payed to insure PC never gets a port. Don't get your hopes up
This is all assuming the leak is legit.

[Ravi ♪]

Publicado originalmente por ★moonlight★:

The leak was a document the had multiple payment proposals, one was timed exclusivity, one was outright exclusivity. According to the leak Nintendo MAY have payed to insure PC never gets a port. Don't get your hopes up
This is all assuming the leak is legit.

I hope it stays exclusive on Switch cause I can't wait for a PC release when the Switch version comes out and I can't not ignore another Monster Hunter game on PC. Another problem would be starting a fresh character on PC version and grinding out everything again after doing the same thing on Switch. That's why I asked if it was possible for them add a feature to port character between the versions since the Hades Devs did it, when you have both versions of the game. Been an avid Monster Hunter fan since MH 3 ultimate but skipped MH Gen ultimate since I was already busy playing MHW. I can only take on 1 monster hunter game at a time!

[CourtesyFlush09]

It's highly unlikely to happen due to the same exact reason there's currently no MHW crossplay between PC and consoles: rampant cheating on PC.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

It's highly unlikely to happen due to the same exact reason there's currently no MHW crossplay between PC and consoles: rampant cheating on PC.

No matter how many times this gets said, it's not a valid reason to not have crossplay. The reason it never happened likely has more to do with time, resources, and general networking limitations within the team. No games that do crossplay excludes PC simply because it's easier to cheat on the platform.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Publicado originalmente por Festive Jelly Jiggler:

No games that do crossplay excludes PC simply because it's easier to cheat on the platform.

I strongly disagree. Here's a recent example from one of the most popular games on the planet:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/call-of-duty-warzone/cheaters-crossplay

It's a problem, and neither Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, or developers want to deal with it if they don't have to.

[RedViper]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por Festive Jelly Jiggler:

No games that do crossplay excludes PC simply because it's easier to cheat on the platform.

I strongly disagree. Here's a recent example from one of the most popular games on the planet:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/call-of-duty-warzone/cheaters-crossplay

It's a problem, and neither Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, or developers want to deal with it if they don't have to.

This proofs nothing.

First, it’s a pve game the worst that could happen is you insta kill the monster and then you just kick that player and block them and that is it.

Second, you could still make private lobbies.

Third, the switch was cracked on the first week after its release, it might not be as easy as hacking on pc, but it is still possible.

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Publicado originalmente por RedViper:

First, it’s a pve game the worst that could happen is you insta kill the monster and then you just kick that player and block them and that is it.

Second, you could still make private lobbies.

Third, the switch was cracked on the first week after its release, it might not be as easy as hacking on pc, but it is still possible.

World being a PvE game means absolutely nothing. Capcom kept rolling out new anti-cheat measures with every update post Iceborne. That alone should tell you everything about their views on cheating in a PvE game.

Also, everything's crackable. I'm not denying that. It's just that it's (alongside hacking) so much easier on PC, hence my previous point that ain't no one wanna deal with that crossplay garbage if they don't have to.

[Kawalorn]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por RedViper:

First, it’s a pve game the worst that could happen is you insta kill the monster and then you just kick that player and block them and that is it.

Second, you could still make private lobbies.

Third, the switch was cracked on the first week after its release, it might not be as easy as hacking on pc, but it is still possible.

World being a PvE game means absolutely nothing. Capcom kept rolling out new anti-cheat measures with every update post Iceborne. That alone should tell you everything about their views on cheating in a PvE game.

Also, everything's crackable. I'm not denying that. It's just that it's (alongside hacking) so much easier on PC, hence my previous point that ain't no one wanna deal with that crossplay garbage if they don't have to.

Enable crossplatform? Yes/No

Your entire argument is bypassed by one toggle in options menu. Cheating is not the reason to not do it. Or at least if it is, that just means developers are grade A stupid.

[JPM岩]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por Festive Jelly Jiggler:

No games that do crossplay excludes PC simply because it's easier to cheat on the platform.

I strongly disagree. Here's a recent example from one of the most popular games on the planet:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/call-of-duty-warzone/cheaters-crossplay

It's a problem, and neither Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, or developers want to deal with it if they don't have to.

Factually FPS players will be at a disadvantage on controller (what consoles HAVE to use) vs M+KB. The split for FPS is at a mechanical level. Your "evidence" proves nothing about cheating.

[RedViper]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por RedViper:

First, it’s a pve game the worst that could happen is you insta kill the monster and then you just kick that player and block them and that is it.

Second, you could still make private lobbies.

Third, the switch was cracked on the first week after its release, it might not be as easy as hacking on pc, but it is still possible.

World being a PvE game means absolutely nothing. Capcom kept rolling out new anti-cheat measures with every update post Iceborne. That alone should tell you everything about their views on cheating in a PvE game.

Also, everything's crackable. I'm not denying that. It's just that it's (alongside hacking) so much easier on PC, hence my previous point that ain't no one wanna deal with that crossplay garbage if they don't have to.

Are we talking about the same game and the same company? What anti cheat measures? The only thing that I am aware that could be considered an anti cheat is when people are dumb enough to buy stuff that isn't available yet and then they can't load their save file.

Cheating will always be an issue, and the only thing that companies can do to mitigate that is by making it more difficult for people to cheat and to make them think twice because of the consequences.

[Grisnir]

Publicado originalmente por Chuuni Panda:

More hacked data or "leaks" from Capcom today suggest Monster Hunter Rise is a timed exclusive on Switch before being available on the PC. Knowing myself, I'll probably end up buying and playing both versions but how likely will there be a cross-save between steam and switch??? I mean, I saw an update where Hades is doing the same thing. Will make my experience and grind so much better If I can just port my character save from Switch over to PC version and vice versa when it comes out.

only time will tell if capcom wants more money or fears the cheating via savegame edit.
logical would be to allow cross-save because it would allow the Switch to release it's fullest potential, even Nintendo promotes cross-save on theirs website, although only for a few games, which are singleplayer or have a login service.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Publicado originalmente por RedViper:

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Cheating will always be an issue, and the only thing that companies can do to mitigate that is by making it more difficult for people to cheat and to make them think twice because of the consequences.

Or, you know, just not enable crossplay at all, like Capcom did with Worldborne.

[~KeNnEtH~]

I don't think they will allow saves from the Switch version to be used in the PC version (if there is even one).

Saves are usually stored on the device itself so unless they are gonna allow players to save the game on a cloud server or something, it probably won't happen.

Capcom will have to be the one to fund and do this since Nintendo wouldn't really gain anything from doing it.

Capcom also doesn't really have a great reason to do it. If someone is gonna play the game, they will either buy it on Switch, on PC (if it really comes out) or both. The "both" crowd is not gonna be the bulk of sales so I don't think they will wanna spend money to implement this just for the crowd that plays it halfway on Switch and wants to continue on PC. As long as the game is bought on any platform, it is still a win for Capcom.

From MHW/Iceborne, there are also similar cases in past forum posts where in the end, the player just go and download a save file and edit it to whatever they want. So, for players who are willing to buy another copy on PC but yet not willing to play it but want to get to a point where they were on the other platforms, they are likely to be willing to resort to save files edits anyway so it can be solved from user end.

We'll just have to see where the save file goes when the Switch version is out. My guess is it will be on device and the Nintendo cloud only. If there's no Capcom cloud or something then the save file's unlikely to be portable to PC.

[Sclurp]

Nintendo has had cross save functionality with previous Monster Hunter games and there are Switch games like Hades and The Witcher 3 and a few others that connect to Steam or Gog and have save transfers. It's not so absurd a concept. It will be down to Capcom, not Nintendo (as they seem fine with it).

Now, whether the leak is legit is another story. As others have pointed out, it's not clear what kind of exclusivity Nintendo has and Rise was built for the Switch. Nintendo has now had about six-ish exclusive MH titles. They understand its value and I think it's too early to say it's 100% coming to PC.

Remember the Oroshi Kirin leaks for MHW?

[Ravi ♪]

Publicado originalmente por TheDeadYoshi:

Nintendo has had cross save functionality with previous Monster Hunter games and there are Switch games like Hades and The Witcher 3 and a few others that connect to Steam or Gog and have save transfers. It's not so absurd a concept. It will be down to Capcom, not Nintendo (as they seem fine with it).

Now, whether the leak is legit is another story. As others have pointed out, it's not clear what kind of exclusivity Nintendo has and Rise was built for the Switch. Nintendo has now had about six-ish exclusive MH titles. They understand its value and I think it's too early to say it's 100% coming to PC.

Remember the Oroshi Kirin leaks for MHW?

Figured I should ask others what they think about the link as well. But this was the second time a leak from Capcom suggest MH Rise is coming to PC. Can't wait for the exclusivity for MH Rise to go on PC if its true and I don't want to grind out two characters on two versions. Oh well.