Good alternative to Kaiser 3 piece set bonus?

[PossessingSpirit09]

Returning to the game after a hiatus, I noticed I still have the set that basically doesn't make you lose sharpness on a crit. However, in terms of defence its starting to becoming lacking, and having good armour on the other two pieces aren't helping much.

What other armour can I make to make a comfortable general use set other then the teostra set parts?

[Shakzor]

high or master rank? In masterrank, it's pretty much meta endgame armor for many weapons, so it'd be more a "you" problem, rather than lack of defense stat.
Raging Brachydios and Safi'Jiva are also often used armor pieces

[~KeNnEtH~]

You can go for 2 piece Raging Brachy and 2 piece Gold Rathian.

You will have Agitator Secret 7 and Divine Blessing 5.

I use a 3 piece Raging Brachy with 2 piece Gold Rathian and it has worked very well for me.

The meta of Master's Touch (3 Kaiser + 2 Raging Brachy) is basically offense focused since it simply gives all the key offensive skills and a set bonus that reduce down time (by eliminating the need to sharpen) so while it is great for speed runs, it is not great when you fight against something you have never fought against before or have lost touch on, especially if you do not consistently hit the weak spots and tenderise them.

If you want another meta set, you can also go for 5-piece Safi Jiiva set or 3-piece Safi Jiiva.

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

Sharp deco + Whetfish fin+

As far as getting the Deco, I got mine doing the HR9 Lavasioth event quest. Pretty rare but worth it to get that decoration among other rare decorations.

There is an event quest where you can farm Whetfish+ fins fairly quickly.

2 piece MRKulve armor has Guts and they have a decent amount of decoration slots as well as skills.

[PossessingSpirit09]

Originally posted by Shakzor:

high or master rank? In masterrank, it's pretty much meta endgame armor for many weapons, so it'd be more a "you" problem, rather than lack of defense stat.
Raging Brachydios and Safi'Jiva are also often used armor pieces

Master Rank of course. I'm fairly confident in my skill in evading monster attacks when I use certain weapons, but I just wanted to know of the "meta" comfortable set that people use.

[Giallombardo]

you wanted the master's touch skill? if you're in master rank get a safi weapon especially while the siege availble now and get teostra's essence for the weapon's ability and you only need 2 piece of teostra to unlock the skill

[PossessingSpirit09]

Originally posted by Giallombardo:

you wanted the master's touch skill? if you're in master rank get a safi weapon especially while the siege availble now and get teostra's essence for the weapon's ability and you only need 2 piece of teostra to unlock the skill

Hmm good point. However, it's kinda difficult to find consistent squads to do Safi currently. So unfortunately that's not really an option.
I had considered that, but it'd be way too much work

[silberein]

Originally posted by Giallombardo:

you wanted the master's touch skill? if you're in master rank get a safi weapon especially while the siege availble now and get teostra's essence for the weapon's ability and you only need 2 piece of teostra to unlock the skill

Currently it's Kulve siege, so no safi atm

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

Originally posted by Giallombardo:

you wanted the master's touch skill? if you're in master rank get a safi weapon especially while the siege availble now and get teostra's essence for the weapon's ability and you only need 2 piece of teostra to unlock the skill

On the flip side, you can put in Sharpness V and wear whatever you want. It is 90 hits of white and it should last a long time. I can't speak for every weapon, but that usually takes me 4 minutes or more to burn through on HH. Add in Sharp deco and it is around 6 minutes between having to sharpen. Usually the monster moves in that time, so you can resharpen normally. If you need to sharpen in fight, then use a whetfish fin+. One stroke and I am good for another 6 minutes.

[Skeleton]

The alternatives are Nargacuga's True Razor Sharp [75% reduction], and the Razor Sharp charm [50% reduction].

What kind of defensive skills are you trying to get?
Normally, Health Boost and Evade Window are enough for me.

[AfLIcTeD]

Your not going to get much better in the defence department. The armour is on par with all the other end game armours defence wise. Unless you mean defence skills?

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Skeleton:

The alternatives are Nargacuga's True Razor Sharp [75% reduction], and the Razor Sharp charm [50% reduction].

What kind of defensive skills are you trying to get?
Normally, Health Boost and Evade Window are enough for me.

these skills are rng tough. not a fixed sharpness loss prevention. thus they suck and are worse than mt in basically every way.

as for the tc : the defense isnt lacking really on teo. 50 defense isnt worth much overall and thats all youll lose. you wont notice a difference in dmg taken with this.

mt is sadly still meta for raw weapons and wont change anymore either. raw weapons are locked into 3p teo if you wanna deal the most dmg. its really pathetic that the devs never offered a better mt set option for all of icebornes lifecycle. but its too late now. fatalis setbonus will suck compared aswell so dont get your hopes up for it. as all secretbonus really isnt helpful for most builds sadly.
and definitly not worth giveing up MT for. especially for weapons which have offensive pressure build into them like LS its always better to not haveing to sharpen on top of all that.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

Your not going to get much better in the defence department. The armour is on par with all the other end game armours defence wise. Unless you defence skills?

this isnt true at all when you look at the values. however the difference is overall not impactful enough to matter due to how defense works in this game. this is also why defense boost skill is still trash despite all the buffs it got with iceborne. thus you can still safely label people who use defense boost SKILL utterly clueless noobs. its effect on dmg taken is overall not even 2% sometimes.

[Skeleton]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

these skills are rng tough. not a fixed sharpness loss prevention. thus they suck and are worse than mt in basically every way.

Not really.

Master's Touch is also RNG because you're relying on random crits to gain that sharpness protection. Considering that 100% affinity builds usually rely on attacking a specific location [for Weakness Exploit] and the monster to be enraged [for Agitator], even those builds lose sharpness. Which is why True Razor Sharp can match them on average, while the Razor Sharp trades sharpness loss for more build versatility, only being a charm instead of 3 armour slots.

Either way, the question was about alternatives to Master's Touch. [True] Razor Sharp is it.
Or Protective Polish/Whetstone Fish, but that's more maintenance and it seems that OP is looking for something a bit simpler to manage.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Skeleton:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

these skills are rng tough. not a fixed sharpness loss prevention. thus they suck and are worse than mt in basically every way.

Not really.

Master's Touch is also RNG because you're relying on random crits to gain that sharpness protection. Considering that 100% affinity builds usually rely on attacking a specific location [for Weakness Exploit] and the monster to be enraged [for Agitator], even those builds lose sharpness. Which is why True Razor Sharp can match them on average, while the Razor Sharp trades sharpness loss for more build versatility, only being a charm instead of 3 armour slots.

Either way, the question was about alternatives to Master's Touch. [True] Razor Sharp is it.
Or Protective Polish/Whetstone Fish, but that's more maintenance and it seems that OP is looking for something a bit simpler to manage.

you can have 100% affinity without any of that. the wex thingy is kinda obivious. but you seem unaware off how Trs and rs work in the first place. mt is % based on your affinity. the others arent. they are ESPECIALLY bad on multihit attacks. you know the ones that BURN trough sharpness normally like ls splitter or tender attacks? with mt and 100% affinity you never lose sharpness on these. with the other 2 its a huge gamble. if they trigger you wont lose any sharpness. if they dont trigger you lose THE FULL MULTIHIT sharpness. on raging brachy ls that would mean you drop to white sharpness in only 1-2 of these attacks.

they are worse than mt in every way. cause you can control the rng on mt. you cant on the other 2. plus for raw weapons there just ARENT any better setbonuses which is sad but its a fact of reality. raw bonuses are lacking on setbonuses unlike elemental ones. plus TRS is only found a really really bad set for melee builds on top. its downgrade from mt 3p in every way no matter how you view it. and RS is always worse. the gain just isnt there for raw weapons. the other setbonuses suck too much compared for what they offer. all of them. they are either too much rng or too weak or purely there if youre stingy (free meal) with your supplies for some odd reason.

the only real alternative is sharp jewel + fin like you said. but thats too much for some weapons due to thier design on beeing aggresive nonstop or lose dps like crazy. but that is really the only other option for raw weapons. the other setbonuses just pale compared to MT. there is a reason why its still meta afterall. if they offered a similar good or better raw setbonus it probaly wouldnt be.

[Zelph]

Originally posted by Skeleton:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

these skills are rng tough. not a fixed sharpness loss prevention. thus they suck and are worse than mt in basically every way.

Not really.

Master's Touch is also RNG because you're relying on random crits to gain that sharpness protection. Considering that 100% affinity builds usually rely on attacking a specific location [for Weakness Exploit] and the monster to be enraged [for Agitator], even those builds lose sharpness. Which is why True Razor Sharp can match them on average, while the Razor Sharp trades sharpness loss for more build versatility, only being a charm instead of 3 armour slots.

Either way, the question was about alternatives to Master's Touch. [True] Razor Sharp is it.
Or Protective Polish/Whetstone Fish, but that's more maintenance and it seems that OP is looking for something a bit simpler to manage.

50% crit is very easy to reach even without Wex. That means at worst, it would be equal to razor sharp. With wex, because you should be aiming for weak points when applicable anyways, you hit an auto 85%, which is strictly better then even true razor sharp. Last 15% doesn't matter to much, you have latent power(its on teos armor, yes I know its not great), or just as likely agitator, which is another 20%, so 105% not factoring in latent power.