Fatalis LBG kinda tempting

[Nero_003]

I've been using this gun for two day, never use pierce or spread on LBG before, experimenting on rapid fire spread 2, idk about single shot spread 3, kinda boring, but I saw so many video, that said, if you want spread LBG, get frostfang LBG instead, its better, I mean, is it?
for the record here, Im comparing fatalis depths "rapid-fire spread 2" vs blizzard gust "spread 3", and I still didnt have blizzard gust yet

[CookedMeat]

Fatalis spread 2 RF with normal recoil/reload offers better mobility. Frostfang LBG spread 3 with normal recoil slow reload offers better damage.
Personally I think Frostfang is better in multiplayer where monsters move around and target others more, so the slow reload won't be a burden. For general and comfort uses, Fatalis LBG is better, but requires good jewels to reach 100% crit.

[Andy_RK]

it's comfier from my experience compared to frostfang. You need to manage your reload timing when using the frostfang lbg (you will be locked for maybe 1 sec? not sure) while on fatty you can just keep walking while doing it. But imo if big dps is what you're looking for, i suggest go for the fatty hbg instead

[Nero_003]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Fatalis spread 2 RF with normal recoil/reload offers better mobility. Frostfang LBG spread 3 with normal recoil slow reload offers better damage.
Personally I think Frostfang is better in multiplayer where monsters move around and target others more, so the slow reload won't be a burden. For general and comfort uses, Fatalis LBG is better, but requires good jewels to reach 100% crit.

how many percentage I'll lose by using fatalis LBG? since i think its good as long as I didnt become monster's easy target for even 1 sec, and I think what better is I can use para and sleep while blizzard gust only depend on spread, right?

[Nero_003]

Originally posted by Andy_RK:

it's comfier from my experience compared to frostfang. You need to manage your reload timing when using the frostfang lbg (you will be locked for maybe 1 sec? not sure) while on fatty you can just keep walking while doing it. But imo if big dps is what you're looking for, i suggest go for the fatty hbg instead

is it really that big on damage?

[Veritas]

fatalis light bowgun is terrible. awful recoil tables coupled with only 285 true raw (most of the other fatalis weapons are 340 or higher). there are certainly worse bowguns but it's pretty decently far behind the best.

[CookedMeat]

Originally posted by Nero_003:

how many percentage I'll lose by using fatalis LBG? since i think its good as long as I didnt become monster's easy target for even 1 sec, and I think what better is I can use para and sleep while blizzard gust only depend on spread, right?

I've never tested it myself for exact statistics, but I would say it is about 15% difference.

[Andy_RK]

Originally posted by Nero_003:

is it really that big on damage?

If we're focusing on a single shot, my fatty HBG gets 441 dmg on the pole in training ground, while the frostfang gets 301 dmg (test was done in 100% crit condition, without other attack buff item, just max attack boost, peak performance) so maybe about 46% dmg per shot difference for me. But then you will be sacrificing the mobility from LBG so your experience may vary, i reached that number without the shield on the HBG (using special scope instead)

[Nero_003]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

I've never tested it myself for exact statistics, but I would say it is about 15% difference.

was giving on small test on this two baby with barrel monsters, training area, make a as similar as possible for this two bowgun, and for this test, I only see damage per pellets, and their famous ammo, spread 3 (blizzard gust) and rapid-fire spread 2 (fatalis depths)
for skill : AGI 7, AB 7, WEX 3, crit. boost 3, crit.eye 7 for fatalis depths and crit.eye 3 for blizzard gust (to balancing the affinity) got no PP, because Im suck at maintaining full health bar
mods : for blizzard gust I use 2 recoil + 2 close up range (kinda hate it, but for damage potential and its more popular this way anway), and for fatalis depths I use 3 recoil + 1 colse up range
augment : for blizzard gust 7 attack + 1 defense, for fatalis depths 3 attack + 2 affinity + 1 element/status effect up
condition : shoot on tenderized part (to activate WEX +), no buff potion, both have 2 attack item (sack + talon)
I only check for damage per pellets and this is what happen:
- Blizzard gust got (45~47)
- fatalis depths got (35~37)-(14~17)-(14~17)

how? is that mean that actually fatalis depths with RF spread 2 could overcome with more comfy build?, its just small test anyway

[Andy_RK]

hmmmm maybe because there will be less time between the shots, frostfang is better in the long run? As in you need to unload 3 shots per 1 rapid fire ammo to achieve that dmg, kinda like by the time you're done doing the (35~37)-(14~17)-(14~17) in 1 shot using fatty, frostfang already did (45~47) x 2? (im not sure, too lazy to record a video to check lmao)

[CookedMeat]

Originally posted by Nero_003:

The thing is, real combat isn't as simple as hitting a static barrel. First thing you need to take account is that while Fatalis is firing 3 times (due to rapid fire), Frostfang can fire twice. Secondly, spread 3 deals 7 hits, while spread 2 is only 5 hits.

Another thing that might influence real time combat is accuracy. Fatalis takes a longer time to land 3 hits from a single shot, and thus having more rooms for little error, like the monster moved so you hit its hard spot. Frostfang however attacks quicker, and allows faster recovery, which is good for hit n run play style.

After all, there's no point for doing all these calculations unless you're really min maxing to grind speedrun records. Just go for what you think is the most comfortable. DPS isn't everything, and most importantly, even if your weapon has great DPS potential, it is worthless without a proper skill to handle it.

[Nero_003]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Originally posted by Nero_003:

The thing is, real combat isn't as simple as hitting a static barrel. First thing you need to take account is that while Fatalis is firing 3 times (due to rapid fire), Frostfang can fire twice. Secondly, spread 3 deals 7 hits, while spread 2 is only 5 hits.

Another thing that might influence real time combat is accuracy. Fatalis takes a longer time to land 3 hits from a single shot, and thus having more rooms for little error, like the monster moved so you hit its hard spot. Frostfang however attacks quicker, and allows faster recovery, which is good for hit n run play style.

After all, there's no point for doing all these calculations unless you're really min maxing to grind speedrun records. Just go for what you think is the most comfortable. DPS isn't everything, and most importantly, even if your weapon has great DPS potential, it is worthless without a proper skill to handle it.

totally agree with your last point, its just sometimes some people comparing damages contribution kinda makes me anxious wether I already make optimum damage enough or not. and its just sharing thought, maybe there's something I miss or some other great Idea, depends on what you needs.

[CookedMeat]

If you want easily achievable optimum damage then it's 100% sticky LBG. Easily optimized build, consistent dps and amazing mobility. As long as you don't get hit, attack every possible second and never miss a reload, your damage output will have a 100% uptime.
If you want to be the guy with 75% dps in a group of 4, definitely spread HBG.

[DoEFotGS]

Originally posted by Andy_RK:

You need to manage your reload timing when using the frostfang lbg (you will be locked for maybe 1 sec?

Slow reload longer than normal just for few frames. Don't remember how much exactly, but I say - 4. Fact that you can't move during slow reload - that's make it feel really slow. But, technically, you vulverable with both variant to nearly same amoung of time.

[Dagný]

I asked this in another thread but i'll ask again, what's the difference between spread 2 and 3? does spread 3 hit with more ticks? I was using the F. barioth lbg until I tried safi's frostshot and frostshot's damage was way higher at least per tick

[Veritas]

Originally posted by Dahlia Hawthorne:

I asked this in another thread but i'll ask again, what's the difference between spread 2 and 3? does spread 3 hit with more ticks? I was using the F. barioth lbg until I tried safi's frostshot and frostshot's damage was way higher at least per tick

spread 3 has more pellets and higher motion value, however bowgun dps is more complicated than that. reload, recoil and clip size as well as how many close range mods the gun can fit play a huge role in whether spread 2 or 3 ends up being better