Beyond frustrated with Behemoth fight

[Elthrael]

I've been going at this fight for quite a while now, and I took about a month's break to play other stuff.

I'm beyond frustrated with both my own incompetence and other player's ignorance.

I've got a decent enough build with main-game end-tier weapons (I haven't touched Iceborne yet) and I main CB. I use Elderseal or raw physical build. Have decent decos and stuff so gear is not a problem IMO.

Here's where I always suck: How do you dodge the stupid lightning attack? I know you're supposed to stand between the head and the shoulder, but sometimes the whole damn floor is covered with it and there's literally nothing you can do. 9 times out of 10 if I die, it's because of this attack. The other 1 time is when I get sloppy aggroing.

Speaking of aggro, here's where others piss me off: why do people consistently ignore the enmity mechanic? I don't get it. It's literally spelled out OVER and OVER again in-game and people still just run around like chickens taking potshots. The only times I got close to the end was when either I pulled the monster and everyone wailed on it, or someone else kept aggro and we wailed on it. My understanding of the fight is: someone aggros, people wail on it, pull tornadoes away from entrances and to the side, (somehow) dodge lightning, get behind comet when big meteor drops, that's it.

Am I missing something here?

[overmage]

Originally posted by Elthrael:

I've been going at this fight for quite a while now, and I took about a month's break to play other stuff.

I'm beyond frustrated with both my own incompetence and other player's ignorance.

I've got a decent enough build with main-game end-tier weapons (I haven't touched Iceborne yet) and I main CB. I use Elderseal or raw physical build. Have decent decos and stuff so gear is not a problem IMO.

Elderseal is pretty useless, so show us your gear just in case. No harm done

Originally posted by Elthrael:

Here's where I always suck: How do you dodge the stupid lightning attack? I know you're supposed to stand between the head and the shoulder, but sometimes the whole damn floor is covered with it and there's literally nothing you can do. 9 times out of 10 if I die, it's because of this attack. The other 1 time is when I get sloppy aggroing.

The lightning only strikes in front of Behemoth I believe. But one surefire way to survive it is to superman dive once it begins and stay down.

Originally posted by Elthrael:

Speaking of aggro, here's where others piss me off: why do people consistently ignore the enmity mechanic? I don't get it. It's literally spelled out OVER and OVER again in-game and people still just run around like chickens taking potshots. The only times I got close to the end was when either I pulled the monster and everyone wailed on it, or someone else kept aggro and we wailed on it. My understanding of the fight is: someone aggros, people wail on it, pull tornadoes away from entrances and to the side, (somehow) dodge lightning, get behind comet when big meteor drops, that's it.

This is correct for EXTREMOTH. But for normal behemoth, there is no need to go to this trouble.
1. Pack 3 flash pods, 10 flash bugs and put the crafting on your radial menu.
2. When Behemoth starts to cast tornados, flash him.
3. Go back to camp to restock each phase. Even if you're the only guy flashing him, 13 is more than enough for each phase.

This will stop tornadoes without needing to worry about the enmity mechanic.

[Elthrael]

Originally posted by overmage:

Originally posted by Elthrael:

I've been going at this fight for quite a while now, and I took about a month's break to play other stuff.

I'm beyond frustrated with both my own incompetence and other player's ignorance.

I've got a decent enough build with main-game end-tier weapons (I haven't touched Iceborne yet) and I main CB. I use Elderseal or raw physical build. Have decent decos and stuff so gear is not a problem IMO.

Elderseal is pretty useless, so show us your gear just in case. No harm done

https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?195,95,72,68,70,46,21,att,health,0,0,0,0,90,0,0,0,0,0,26,0,0,5,0,0,0,0,0,3

I'm currently using this build, it's one of the "poverty" builds on my way to iceborne builds but it's what I can come up with using the decos I have. I have a few Critical Eye ones too and some defensive ones.

Originally posted by overmage:

Originally posted by Elthrael:

Here's where I always suck: How do you dodge the stupid lightning attack? I know you're supposed to stand between the head and the shoulder, but sometimes the whole damn floor is covered with it and there's literally nothing you can do. 9 times out of 10 if I die, it's because of this attack. The other 1 time is when I get sloppy aggroing.

The lightning only strikes in front of Behemoth I believe. But one surefire way to survive it is to superman dive once it begins and stay down.

I'll try the superman dive, but... doesn't that just kill you since the lightning is a floor effect? I read that the attack is in a fanned out pattern like this (head at top)
(head)
// || \\
and you're supposed to stand here
//safe||safe\\

Originally posted by overmage:

This is correct for EXTREMOTH. But for normal behemoth, there is no need to go to this trouble.

I'll stop trying to aggro if it's not worth it then, thanks.

[overmage]

Originally posted by Elthrael:

Originally posted by overmage:

Elderseal is pretty useless, so show us your gear just in case. No harm done

https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?195,95,72,68,70,46,21,att,health,0,0,0,0,90,0,0,0,0,0,26,0,0,5,0,0,0,0,0,3

I'm currently using this build, it's one of the "poverty" builds on my way to iceborne builds but it's what I can come up with using the decos I have. I have a few Critical Eye ones too and some defensive ones.

You need, like really need, Health Boost 3.

Originally posted by Elthrael:

Originally posted by overmage:

The lightning only strikes in front of Behemoth I believe. But one surefire way to survive it is to superman dive once it begins and stay down.

I'll try the superman dive, but... doesn't that just kill you since the lightning is a floor effect? I read that the attack is in a fanned out pattern like this (head at top)
(head)
// || \\
and you're supposed to stand here
//safe||safe\\

You are fully invulnerable during a superman dive, no matter what (except to things like Ecliptic Meteor). "Floor effect" seems to be a misconception, there is no such thing. Superman diving is extremely important because of this, learn to abuse it!

For the record, it's better to stand here

(head) safe
// || \\

Then you can hit its head (be careful not to hit chest), and easily roll to his rear when lightning starts. No bolts hit behind him. Never stand directly in front of Behemoth (there is an exception for HBG tanks but nobody uses those for normal Behe anyway)

Originally posted by Elthrael:

Originally posted by overmage:

This is correct for EXTREMOTH. But for normal behemoth, there is no need to go to this trouble.

I'll stop trying to aggro if it's not worth it then, thanks.

Yeah, for normal Behemoth, it's not worth it at all. Just flash once you see the "Behemoth is casting Charybdis" notice. That's all there is to it.

[9Sage]

Send ID I'll clear it.

[Elthrael]

Originally posted by overmage:

Originally posted by Elthrael:

https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?195,95,72,68,70,46,21,att,health,0,0,0,0,90,0,0,0,0,0,26,0,0,5,0,0,0,0,0,3

I'm currently using this build, it's one of the "poverty" builds on my way to iceborne builds but it's what I can come up with using the decos I have. I have a few Critical Eye ones too and some defensive ones.

You need, like really need, Health Boost 3.

Yeah I have that equipped too, I just didn't bother filling in all the decos

Originally posted by SunTzu:

Send ID I'll clear it.

Thanks, but no thanks, I want to do it myself.

[9Sage]

Originally posted by Elthrael:

Originally posted by overmage:

You need, like really need, Health Boost 3.

Yeah I have that equipped too, I just didn't bother filling in all the decos :lunar2019laughingpig:

Originally posted by SunTzu:

Send ID I'll clear it.

Thanks, but no thanks, I want to do it myself.

Go for it then I cleared it solo so with 4 it's easily doable.

[CookedMeat]

I can't even remember when was the last time I got hit by behemoth's lightning. I think you meant the red colored tremor attack where ground explodes in a cone shape. Yes it is a dangerous move, but it is also very easy to dodge as long as you stand either between two
/ \ lines (directly in front of behemoth's head doesn't have hitbox),
or stay under it's armpit (sometimes you still get hit if you stand too close to it's head)

Easiest way to fight behemoth using a charge blade is get one with impact phial (defender), slot some artillery + guard, then charge + spam SAED at its butt. If you play this way, you can swap Weakness Exploit and Critical Boost for other survival skills, as impact phial is not affect by and will not crit.

Another cheese tricks involve mounting the behemoth. It will not cast most dangerous moves when someone is mounting it. So if you prolong a mount by purposely not doing finisher attack, your team can deal damage until a certain knockdown threshold. Don note that even it doesn't deal its most damaging moves when mounted, it can still hurt others while struggling, so mount cheese is not the best strategy.

And yeah, Health Boost 3 is a must have from end game high rank onward, including start of Iceborne. Guard Up is also recommended so you can GP into SAED.

[LUNAR.Aussie]

For me, if I standing where the thunder is about to strike. I just spam roll twice, to left or right. if u want a more safe move, just roll to the side once and after that roll to back once. And If u stand near the behe head's just roll under his body.

[Elthrael]

I ditched the Elderseal build and went back to my full physical build since it needs less offensive decos. Turns out I didn't have HB3 lol so I loaded up on Health Boost 3 and I slotted Recovery Up for the other 3 defensive slots. It helped the "dying" bit a lot. I also tried the superman dive with lightning and it works like a charm, thanks!

I have one question though, after the third phase, when he goes into Nerg's lair, how many more phases are there? Just so I know what I'm in for.

[Dextro Custos]

Originally posted by Elthrael:

I ditched the Elderseal build and went back to my full physical build since it needs less offensive decos. Turns out I didn't have HB3 lol so I loaded up on Health Boost 3 and I slotted Recovery Up for the other 3 defensive slots. It helped the "dying" bit a lot. I also tried the superman dive with lightning and it works like a charm, thanks!

I have one question though, after the third phase, when he goes into Nerg's lair, how many more phases are there? Just so I know what I'm in for.

it has 4 phases, I used to fight him all the time, if you want to do some coop just let me know

[overmage]

Originally posted by Elthrael:

I ditched the Elderseal build and went back to my full physical build since it needs less offensive decos. Turns out I didn't have HB3 lol so I loaded up on Health Boost 3 and I slotted Recovery Up for the other 3 defensive slots. It helped the "dying" bit a lot. I also tried the superman dive with lightning and it works like a charm, thanks!

I have one question though, after the third phase, when he goes into Nerg's lair, how many more phases are there? Just so I know what I'm in for.

As Dextro said, 4!

[McREEEEEE]

Well if it helps, Behemoth fight wasn't designed to be fair. It's simply made to be hard, disregarding every other elements in a fight.

Eventually you'll beat it. But if you feel like fighting the thing robs the fun out of MHW, then don't do it. Its gear is irrelevant in Master Rank anyway

[Maulclaw]

Do you want help with him?

[Ferreus the Umbral Arrow]

Originally posted by Elthrael:

I've been going at this fight for quite a while now, and I took about a month's break to play other stuff.

I'm beyond frustrated with both my own incompetence and other player's ignorance.

I've got a decent enough build with main-game end-tier weapons (I haven't touched Iceborne yet) and I main CB. I use Elderseal or raw physical build. Have decent decos and stuff so gear is not a problem IMO.

Here's where I always suck: How do you dodge the stupid lightning attack? I know you're supposed to stand between the head and the shoulder, but sometimes the whole damn floor is covered with it and there's literally nothing you can do. 9 times out of 10 if I die, it's because of this attack. The other 1 time is when I get sloppy aggroing.

Speaking of aggro, here's where others piss me off: why do people consistently ignore the enmity mechanic? I don't get it. It's literally spelled out OVER and OVER again in-game and people still just run around like chickens taking potshots. The only times I got close to the end was when either I pulled the monster and everyone wailed on it, or someone else kept aggro and we wailed on it. My understanding of the fight is: someone aggros, people wail on it, pull tornadoes away from entrances and to the side, (somehow) dodge lightning, get behind comet when big meteor drops, that's it.

Am I missing something here?

I hate the fight personally. Just some tips though.

1) Do iceborne lol. Masterrank armor is waaaaay better than anything the main game has. We're talking miles apart.

2) Don't open it up to 4 people. Try an just duo it with someone. Is easier.

3) Bring a lot of flashpods. That way it can't cast the tornados.

Also unless you are a Kinsect Glaive user, I wouldn't worry too much about this fight.

[DeathRow]

when you get it be sure to make the most out of the behemoth armor before you swap it out after the first hunt in iceborne