Why is SnS so bad in terms of dmg?

[Noel]

Is it because it's the easiest weapon? a timed perfect rush with longass duration's dmg is lower than hbg's 3 shotgun hit or 2 charge blade's saxe swing, it's only slightly better than bow and lbg(probably even worse) no wonder people run it WR

[Manticore]

Messaggio originale di FuyuNoSora:

Cheating is not the answer. I have a challenge for any SNS user: try to cut off the tail of Safjiva with the Sword and Shield. If you can't do it, you have to agree that the weapon is bad. If you can't consistently cut the tail of any monster with SNS, then it's a trash weapon and I'm quite sure it is.

Been there and done that, at that point I pretty much experimented many weapons on end game monsters like Kulve, Ala, Fatalis, and Safi'jiiva and SnS was one of them, basically just stack up frostcraft along with some partbreaker 3 and use aerial attack for straight slash, also there will be some openings where Safi stands up for a while to utilize the perfect rush and make sure to trip him down at first phase as well.

Was it difficult? Not really, just quite time consuming.
Was it fun? Not much, after all Safi isn't quite a very fun monster to begin with.
Was it annoying? Just like every other weapons (except notably slash HBG, LS, and IG for obvious reason), cutting Safi's tail is always annoying, not exclusively for SnS only.

That's why I am not sure why you specifically pick Safi as part of the challenge, because most weapons also faced the same annoyance when dealing with the tail, and I am speaking from experience..

[Awkawaka]

I am a SNS main. I love it and have used it since day one in World. You lack dmg because you're bad. Don't like it, move on.

[Noel]

Messaggio originale di Awkawaka:

I am a SNS main. I love it and have used it since day one in World. You lack dmg because you're bad. Don't like it, move on.

almost as all SnS users lack damage because of how badly it is designed. It's only viable for a scripted solo run, it being consistent low damage compared to other melees in general hunts is not something so shocking. even with fatalis sns its moveset overall still low as ♥♥♥♥, imagine those still progressing through story. everyone could beat any monster with any weapon, it's just the matter of hunting time. SURPRISINGLY sns as a classic melee weapon that appears in all kind of games, is the worst balanced weapon in world. a fake beginner friendly weapon that falls off real quick through progression. Only if capcom could buff up SnS's m1 damage and guard power in wilds. I want to play sword and shield, not a kitchen knife with random buckler extracted from monsters.

[!@#$%!@#%!]

SNS so bad at dmg? best joke i ever heard lmao
its literally a single wielding greatsword

[Noel]

If you played with a sword and shield combination in other games, world's sns.. can't really be called sns

[Noel]

Messaggio originale di !@#$%!@#%!:

SNS so bad at dmg? best joke i ever heard lmao
its literally a single wielding greatsword

SnS bad at dishing out dmg, something wrong? outclassed by almost all melees in terms of damage, only 1 viable moveset which requires complete monster attention for dmg, a support weapon that shouldn't be given the name sword and shield l

[Noel]

It could probably beat gunlance and lance, 2 tank weapons lmfao.

[Smaugi]

It's not the weapon but the player most of the time.
I saw pepole do insane damage with sns , same as I can out damage 98% of pepole I play with in safi sessions when using gunlance.

[Anoyun?]

Messaggio originale di FuyuNoSora:

Messaggio originale di Agoraphobic Meep:

We can hunt fatalis together and compare our DPS if you think that'll be a decent benchmark, I'll reinstall hunterpie when I get back from vacation.

Cheating is not the answer. I have a challenge for any SNS user: try to cut off the tail of Safjiva with the Sword and Shield. If you can't do it, you have to agree that the weapon is bad. If you can't consistently cut the tail of any monster with SNS, then it's a trash weapon and I'm quite sure it is.

what?

[FuyuNoSora]

Messaggio originale di Anoyun?:

what?

SnS, has a hard time reaching monster tails.

I rather click my weapon 1 time and deal massive damage, than having to click 30 times to do half the damage.

SnS is like trying to cut down a tree with a kitchen knife, yes, if you hit it 10 thousand times I'm sure you can proudly tell others "it's so easy", but I'd rather hit it 10 times with a mighty axe and get the job done.

SnS is weak, but people who main it, are very hurt by the truth and get very defensive and angry, which is a pity.

[StanislavN]

Messaggio originale di Smaugi:

It's not the weapon but the player most of the time.

People just can't understand that one simple truth. No weapons are truly bad, but there are truly bad players. Or players who just mark every single weapon that doesn't suit their playstyle - or clashes with their vision about HOW that particular weapon should be played as- as being trash.

[Kino]

Messaggio originale di FuyuNoSora:

SnS is weak

How do you know this if you don't run a damage parser to find out? Personal biases clouding your judgement like the OP? The OP that regularly makes topics based on their anecdotes, and then proceeds to not budge on their biases?

[Lystent]

Messaggio originale di StanislavN:

Messaggio originale di Smaugi:

It's not the weapon but the player most of the time.

People just can't understand that one simple truth. No weapons are truly bad, but there are truly bad players. Or players who just mark every single weapon that doesn't suit their playstyle - or clashes with their vision about HOW that particular weapon should be played as- as being trash.

The biggest thing regarding weapons that I consider "underwhelming" that I tried so far wasn't a weapon type, but rather the first steps of the black steel tree. Practically, I decided it is just good as a stepping stone in crafting better gear. Aesthetically, I do like the texture more, so I used to often take one out with me for a walk as I resource gather. But the cheaper, adjacent dragon bone tree, of which is also available earlier, appears to surpass all of the black steel stats. If I need to go for early dragon damage, I'd go bone over metal for that one.

[SOY UNA GARGOLA]

SnS....one of the worst weapons?
I don't know what to say about that

[Omnicide]

I have only dabbled in other weapons. I play solo, poison, sns. I'm just cracking into Iceborne the past couple days, but the entire basegame was complete including all optionals before I did, I think. Behemoth is the only thing I took the hint from to come back later if I want to solo it, only time I felt a lack of dps.

I rarely ever cart, and can count my failed quests on one hand I believe.

I think clawryuken for ammo/breakage, into slinger burst comboed directly into perfect rush is godlike personally. Once you know a fight you just bob and weave with the occasional block and wail on everything non stop. Even though I'm apparently using the redheaded stepchild element, this weapon has easily carried me through the game.

I don't stack any crit either. Just waiting for the game to force me to take more power, as long as I don't need it I won't use it.

Edit: Oh I stopped at tempered elders too in the event category, my bad. Was kinda playing like crap the night I tried Vaal Hazaak and it was doing a lot of damage to me as a result. No idea if I could have met the damage requirements honestly, I should try again before I get my next weapon upgrade, have a bit more armor now too.