Alatreon being a MR 24 fight...

[Jman]

Why? For a fight that everyone is complaining to be the hardest monster in the game, and not only that lore wise, arguably second to Fatalist in terms of strongest, most feared and dangerous Elder Dragon in the game, why is this Elder Dragon consider a MR 24 rating when Ruiner Nerg is MR 100 and in my opinion easier than Alatreon.

I'm not complaining about the Aletreon fight, I have the full set of armor and fully upgraded weapon, I'm just wonder in terms of MR rank it is lower than Ruiner Spikey Boi.

I was attempting to help noobs out with thair special assignment and I had a player using BEO 2 duel swords............ and had 700 armor.......... I was wearing full level 20 Valk 4 piece with full level 20 Garuga leggings building an elemental crit set stacked with a ton of elemental resist gems before I finally killed the damn thing. Seriously Alatreon should be a MR 100 at least.

[The Laughing Traitor]

I've been thinking they should've locked it behind completing at least one of the recent variant hunts (Raging/Furious etc.), at least. Surviving one of those would at least give some minimal floor to it.

[JPM岩]

Cause HR/MR honestly doesn't matter, you could get an MR999 that does horribly or an MR24 that plays like a god.

[Jman]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Cause HR/MR honestly doesn't matter, you could get an MR999 that does horribly or an MR24 that plays like a god.

True... but the MR rating forces the player (kind of) to fight some of the harder fights between Shara sandcastle maker and Elemental Nuclear Explosion Elder Dragons. Also just as a perspective of MR rating to specific monsters it just makes sense.

[Jman]

Originally posted by The Laughing Traitor:

I've been thinking they should've locked it behind completing at least one of the recent variant hunts (Raging/Furious etc.), at least. Surviving one of those would at least give some minimal floor to it.

Yeah or at least after Ruiner Spikey Boi. It's not that hard of a fight, but Spikey Boi is fast and sometimes hits really hard when enraged giving the player a taste of what a fast flying Elder Dragon is.

[Senpai]

It's probably MR 24 because it's a free update monster. MR KT, Safi, Raging, and Furious all have that MR 24+ requirement too. And they advertise the heck out of it on the store page, so I guess it's also a marketing strategy to make those who dropped the game after beating Shara to return to it.

But yeah, I agree it should have a better system to check the player's skill before letting them do the quest. You can definitely do Alatreon with Beo 2 DBs, it's decent enough to deal 2 elemental breaks consistently per nova in solo. The catch is that you need to be skilled enough to play aggressively while dodging Alatreon's attacks. The 700 def is concerning, but if the guy was running Evasion 5, I'd give a benefit of the doubt.

Also, is it just me or is elemental res useless against Alatreon? Feels like his elemental attacks will hit you hard regardless of what your elemental res is. Like I have 32 fire res on my DB set with 980 def, but his fire breath attacks still hit like a truck.

[Jman]

Originally posted by Senpai:

It's probably MR 24 because it's a free update monster. MR KT, Safi, Raging, and Furious all have that MR 24+ requirement too.

But yeah, I agree it should have a better system to check the player's skill before letting them do the quest. You can definitely do Alatreon with Beo 2 DBs, it's decent enough to deal 2 elemental breaks consistently per nova in solo. The catch is that you need to be skilled enough to play aggressively while dodging Alatreon's attacks. The 700 def is concerning, but if the guy was running Evasion 5, I'd give a benefit of the doubt.

Also, is it just me or is elemental res useless against Alatreon? Feels like his elemental attacks will hit you hard regardless of what your elemental res is. Like I have 32 fire res on my DB set with 980 def, but his fire breath attacks still hit like a truck.

I find it does help a little, but I also stacked elemental defense to help with negate blights. With the exception of thunder blight, everything else makes the fight monumentally harder and consider every second and attack counts towards Alatreon when you first encounter it, constantly using null berries and having to slowdown to recover stamina from water/ice blights can made a difference.

[Senpai]

Originally posted by Jman:

I find it does help a little, but I also stacked elemental defense to help with negate blights. With the exception of thunder blight, everything else makes the fight monumentally harder and consider every second and attack counts towards Alatreon when you first encounter it, constantly using null berries and having to slowdown to recover stamina from water/ice blights can made a difference.

Yeah, I just run Blight Res 3 for that lol, I save the nullberries for other players who don't. I added in Fire Res 3 to my build, since I'm running 2 piece Alatreon with it, but compared to AT Namielle, the damage reduction doesn't seem as significant, even with 50 res.

[r∞l]

You have to be completely insane and a brainless shill not shake your head at the MR 24 requirement. Ruiner is unlocked at 100 and its a complete joke next to Alatreon...

I would love to see a newbie that barely meets the requirement trying to solo it, by that I meant a real fresh newbie not someone using an alt character.

[Greb]

Yeah, I feel the same way. Capcom probably didn't want to gate people behind MR but it feels really stupid making it MR 24. I don't remember what MR you have when you finish the main Iceborne story, but even vanilla had gates, useful ones, too - those being HR 29 (30) for T2 monsters and HR 49 (50) for T3 monsters, respectively.

It at least gives players time to gain extra ranks grinding and potentially obtaining more decoration variety and materials to upgrade or expand their arsenal.

It's even more egregious knowing that MR had gates for its T3 monsters, at MR 99 (100) which in my opinion is where Alatreon should be too, considering his gear is R12 and all, even if you obtain it at MR 24 you can't even augment it for another 74 MR ranks, or at least not to the fullest potential anyway.

It doesn't take that long to reach MR 100, if you actually enjoy playing the game.

It also just contributes even more to the massive pile of pointless gear that you can just skip over without caring about - even titular monsters like Rajang and Stygian Zinogre are now worthless outside of Grinding Lands materials to keep augmenting weapons, lol - while it's unrelated to the topic somewhat, PC being late and having rushed catch-up content led to players getting new stuff and having it for mere weeks instead of months before it was immediately replaced.

Not that I'm saying Alatreons gear is particularly GOOD, but y'know. Taking on Ruiner Nergigante is meant to be this monumental task which you can't do until MR 99, but players could have been slaying at least two Black Dragons before even killing him lol, it's so out of whack.

Obviously, SKILL isn't the point. You could have players who have an MR 999 HR 999 alt rushing through the content because they're literally a Monster Hunter Gog, but they'd still be lacking decent equipment, and equipment counts for a lot, no matter what people say otherwise lol.

Meh.

It's less of an issue for me because I was fortunate enough to have a small group to fight Alatreon with, and we're all nerds with 1000 hours of gameplay under our belt, more or less. I just feel sorry for anyone approaching this fight with randoms. Sure, you can solo it, but that's not the point.

I can happily host or join Tempered Elder Dragon hunts because I know people are joining at MR 100 and that's a huge gate, meaning the players who join are going to be (generally) a cut above the rank and file, lol.

I wouldn't feel comfortable hosting Alatreon stuff. I've seen the kind of people you find in Alatreon sessions, using Blast weaponry or having like sub 750 armour, or wearing a clown suit that offers nothing but Elemental Attack 6 and a whole bunch of mismatched other skills. Not that I'm saying players IQ magically jumps from neanderthal to Einstein the moment they cross the mythical MR 100 threshold or anything, but...yeah.

The only other reason (besides not wanting to gate casual players) that I can think of that Capcom put Alatreon at MR 24 rather than something worthy of a Black Dragon, like MR 250 or something, is because they didn't want to steal the thunder from Ruiner Nergigante and Tempered Elder Dragons plus the MR 200 quest, which is quite a major milestone.

[Senpai]

Originally posted by Greb:

Yeah, I feel the same way. Capcom probably didn't want to gate people behind MR but it feels really stupid making it MR 24. I don't remember what MR you have when you finish the main Iceborne story....

Lol, MR 24 is when you finish Iceborne's story and discover Guiding Lands

Originally posted by Greb:

I just feel sorry for anyone approaching this fight with randoms. Sure, you can solo it, but that's not the point.

Solo gets boring quick, so I try to help out randoms with their assignment, but oh man, I've never seen so much salt in a quest before. Even Ancient Leshen wasn't as bad as this.
You have the instant wipe from failing the dps check of course, then you also have host spam kicking players after checking their skills/def/MR, mass abandon after 1st cart (even with Safeguard + Insurance), mass abandon after failing to break horn within first 5 mins (despite passing the dps check + not everyone running ice or fire element).

Allowing casual players to jump right into Alatreon after story was a dumb decision. I wish they had a better system to gate players from hard content like this, but I guess gating through HR/MR is what we have to work with. But instead, we got a quest with a MR 24 requirement, which resulted in another wave of review bombing :

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