Everybody has Fatalis gear, but they are useless...

[Deathwing1306]

Hey, I am extremely bad in the game, I just want to say this, but whenever I am fighting something big like Alatreon, Fatalis, AT Velkhana, Raging Brachy, etc. I always look for lobbies with people who are at least MR 200+ and with Alatreon of Fatalis gear...

The thing is that they are usually the ones who get carted first and the most...

I am using this gear: https://imgur.com/a/1qDXyCD and I can do better than them.

I am trying to do The Black Dragon investigation, as well as the Blazing Black Twilight, I usually join someone's lobby because I see that there are 2-3 people already with MR 500+ and Fatalis or some kind of god tier gear, but it's impossible to do with them also.

I can't do it solo because like I said, I am not really ready for something like that skill wise, if I had 50 minutes and 10 faints available, then mabe some day I will be able to solo them, but it's just impossible for me because even people with Fatalis or Alatreon stuff don't really know how to fight them...

I also see many people who are MR like 50-100 and they have Fatalis stuff. I am currently at MR 126 and HR 167 and I still didn't even get close to beating Fatalis or Alatreon.

(I am not really interested in "get better, get good, etc." comments so leave it for yourself please)

[cowinspace]

No fancy explanation here, they cheated. There are mods that allow you to add every monster drop in the game to a vendor for 0z, so you buy a bunch of stuff, sell some to generate the zenny you need and go craft what ever armour/weapon in the game you need. Save editing or hacking will get you the MR/HR levels.

Then there are a small number out there that simply threw themselves at various monsters until they won. They've probably died to more monsters than you've ever hunted.

[Smaugi]

These fights are much easier solo.
Way less chaotic , way less HP , and still the same number of carts , but not split between 4 pepole.
And some of these pepole might be like you , they never really got good enough to do these fights on their own , maybe someone really good carried them and they got the gear. (Also Alatreon armor isn't all that good really... it's just the weapons)
But really alatreon ain't that hard if you have augumented gear , fatalis is the realy problem here (and AT velkh) , and fatalis is MUCH MUCH harder with more pepole.
Solo you can bait cone breath , control his AI better , know what he will do , with others it goes out of the window, sometimes you get carted because of that.
And no ammount of gear will make fatalis easy , so even with fatalis gear you WILL faint from time to time.
Or they could have just added in the armor , cause pepole do that for some reason.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Lord Gwyn:

These fights are much easier solo.
Way less chaotic , way less HP , and still the same number of carts , but not split between 4 pepole.
And some of these pepole might be like you , they never really got good enough to do these fights on their own , maybe someone really good carried them and they got the gear. (Also Alatreon armor isn't all that good really... it's just the weapons)
But really alatreon ain't that hard if you have augumented gear , fatalis is the realy problem here (and AT velkh) , and fatalis is MUCH MUCH harder with more pepole.
Solo you can bait cone breath , control his AI better , know what he will do , with others it goes out of the window, sometimes you get carted because of that.
And no ammount of gear will make fatalis easy , so even with fatalis gear you WILL faint from time to time.
Or they could have just added in the armor , cause pepole do that for some reason.

The thing which is extremely hard for me during Fatalis is usually the time limit (same for Safi). When I was doing the investigation with that NPC in which I had to damage Fatalis until his first supernova, I have been doing that 13 minutes and I have read that it's only like 20% HP you have to deal to him in order to complete that assingment and activate the supernova.

About the Alatreon gear, I was talking about the weapons especially because they have extremely high amount of Dragon damage, sharpness and also quite decent raw damage, pretty much perfect for Fatalis.

When I augment my sword with Health Regen and all slots, then I would probably be ready for the fight.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by cowinspace:

No fancy explanation here, they cheated. There are mods that allow you to add every monster drop in the game to a vendor for 0z, so you buy a bunch of stuff, sell some to generate the zenny you need and go craft what ever armour/weapon in the game you need. Save editing or hacking will get you the MR/HR levels.

Then there are a small number out there that simply threw themselves at various monsters until they won. They've probably died to more monsters than you've ever hunted.

Them carting nonstop happens also on like Ruiner Nergigante, Zinogre, Stygian Zinogre and this "smaller" stuff. I am trying to farm decos, shards, all kinds of things and I feel like I am fighting with someone who is skill wise on High Rank level.

It really pisses me off lol

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

Originally posted by Lord Gwyn:

These fights are much easier solo.
Way less chaotic , way less HP , and still the same number of carts , but not split between 4 pepole.
And some of these pepole might be like you , they never really got good enough to do these fights on their own , maybe someone really good carried them and they got the gear. (Also Alatreon armor isn't all that good really... it's just the weapons)
But really alatreon ain't that hard if you have augumented gear , fatalis is the realy problem here (and AT velkh) , and fatalis is MUCH MUCH harder with more pepole.
Solo you can bait cone breath , control his AI better , know what he will do , with others it goes out of the window, sometimes you get carted because of that.
And no ammount of gear will make fatalis easy , so even with fatalis gear you WILL faint from time to time.
Or they could have just added in the armor , cause pepole do that for some reason.

The thing which is extremely hard for me during Fatalis is usually the time limit (same for Safi). When I was doing the investigation with that NPC in which I had to damage Fatalis until his first supernova, I have been doing that 13 minutes and I have read that it's only like 20% HP you have to deal to him in order to complete that assingment and activate the supernova.

About the Alatreon gear, I was talking about the weapons especially because they have extremely high amount of Dragon damage, sharpness and also quite decent raw damage, pretty much perfect for Fatalis.

When I augment my sword with Health Regen and all slots, then I would probably be ready for the fight.

Cannons at the start + roaming balista x2 + dragonator X heavy artilery can do 1/3 of the job for you against fatalis , add in the free damage after the cannon start and a free wall bang.

[IxianMace]

I suggest you don't pay so much attention to the numbers next to someone's name or the gear they're using as far as gauging skill or capability is concerned. I used to think people with Fatalis gear must be good, as Fatalis is the most difficult monster in the game and if someone has Fatalis gear, they must have been good enough to defeat it, right?

It turns out you don't need to kill Fatalis to get its gear. Even if someone has some Fatalis kills under their belt, you don't know how they got them. Maybe they were carried. The only way to know how good someone is is to play with them and see them in action. Hunter Rank and Master Rank are only indicators of how long someone has been playing; they don't necessarily mean that player knows what they're doing.

Summary: HR/MR and gear aren't reliable indicators of player skill.

[cruste]

can't do it solo but complains about other...
gid gut
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2171186065
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2159602203
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2593705390
maybe just post your session id if you want help or leave, comment about planed activity when you want to hunt said monster and you might see some people appearing willing to help, but these wall of text normally have the opposite effect

[Manticore]

People with MR like 50-100 and have full Fatalis gear plus all the decoration+augmentation is most likely using mods. Getting fatalis gear is still possible to acquire by getting hard carried but ain't no way they manage to get full complete set of rare decoration in such short amount of time, there are maybe some that lucky but RNG in this game makes it really hard for me to believe, not to mention a lot of necessary augment materials can only be unlocked after surpassing MR 100.

If you want to get "hard carry" try ask people with MR mora than 500, most of them are probably already an expert when it comes to dispose Fatalis, i've seen plenty of dedicated session being ran by those people everytime (Me myself often doing the same as well). Tho again, rank should not be your indicator of how skillful someone, it's just they have more experience that's all, because being better is subjective in the end.

Also there are a lot of helpful tricks to beat Fatalis solo with certain weapons, for example the safest trick like on how to utilize every single equipments that available during Fatalis fight (Such as canon, balista, etc), you should check them out rather than gambling when it comes to relying on random people, it's challenging yes but less risky if i may say.

But if you are really in pinch, you can ask help from people in this forum by posting your session.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Manticore:

People with MR like 50-100 and have full Fatalis gear plus all the decoration+augmentation is most likely using mods. Getting fatalis gear is still possible to acquire by getting hard carried but ain't no way they manage to get full complete set of rare decoration in such short amount of time, there are maybe some that lucky but RNG in this game makes it really hard for me to believe, not to mention a lot of necessary augment materials can only be unlocked after surpassing MR 100.

If you want to get "hard carry" try ask people with MR mora than 500, most of them are probably already an expert when it comes to dispose Fatalis, i've seen plenty of dedicated session being ran by those people everytime (Me myself often doing the same as well). Tho again, rank should not be your indicator of how skillful someone, it's just they have more experience that's all, because being better is subjective in the end.

Also there are a lot of helpful tricks to beat Fatalis solo with certain weapons, for example the safest trick like on how to utilize every single equipments that available during Fatalis fight (Such as canon, balista, etc), you should check them out rather than gambling when it comes to relying on random people, it's challenging yes but less risky if i may say.

But if you are really in pinch, you can ask help from people in this forum by posting your session.

I didn't really went for the ballistas, cannons, etc. because usually these kind of monsters are so aggresive that they will instantly go after you and either destroy the "tools" or just throw you away with their attack.

I am not sure if those low MR people had FULL gear, but many of them already had Fatalis weapon at least, which even the weapon itself means that they had to beat Fatalis at least once, I am MR 128 and I am having problems even with like Tempered Teostra, Ruiner Nergigante, Zinogre and these end game monsters so I am always surprised if I see someone with half of my rank already having Fatalis weapon or even some armor parts, I think that beating Fatalis is possible... slightly comfortably, only at like MR 200 and augments on maximum + best possible gear for it, only at this moment I think that you are at least ready for Fatalis.

That is why I am also surprised by this game's monsters availability, you can go for Fatalis at MR 24, but Brute Tigrex (imo, much easier monster compared to the regular Tigrex) will become available at MR 70. Not talking about the arena Brute Tigrex.

[Vandals[UK]]

Why cares about what gear others had?
There are no PvP element in this game.
If they wanted end game gears and move onto another game sooner, just let them.

It's not like it affected you in anyway, or is it?

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by VandalsUK:

Why cares about what gear others had?
There are no PvP element in this game.
If they wanted end game gears and move onto another game sooner, just let them.

It's not like it affected you in anyway, or is it?

They wasted my time because they sucked even more than me...

And if you see that someone has gear from a monster which you are looking forward to slay, you usually think that they have some experience with that monster so you prioritize them over someone who has like mid game stuff.

[Vandals[UK]]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

They wasted my time because they sucked even more than me...

And if you see that someone has gear from a monster which you are looking forward to slay, you usually think that they have some experience with that monster so you prioritize them over someone who has like mid game stuff.

This game was released on PC on 26th January 2018. That is more than 5 years.

Good players have already left this game or they have their own committee like a discord channel or something.

If you want good players to carry you, find those Channel.

[Manticore]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

I didn't really went for the ballistas, cannons, etc. because usually these kind of monsters are so aggresive that they will instantly go after you and either destroy the "tools" or just throw you away with their attack.

Not really it's not getting destroyed instantly, also like i said it requires strategy and very easy one to pull as well..

Simply just equip Ghillie Mantle and 1 slot of Heavy Artilery+ 4 jewel and you can knock down Fatalis once with two consecutive canons, once with roaming ballista (By shooting the tenderized chest), once with Dragonator (The last 15 minutes of the hunt), and you can also binding Fatalis twice with two one-shot binder ammo, giving a lot of opportunities to inflict damage especially on the head to reduce his fire power.

For roaming ballista you can just throw 2 smoke bombs on the ground, he'll then lost you for around 10 seconds, give you enough opportunity to shoot him comfortably with the tool.

Also remember, always use smoke bombs everytime he flies out. The trick is to always learn, it's probably the most safest strategy to break the head as well.

I am not sure if those low MR people had FULL gear, but many of them already had Fatalis weapon at least, which even the weapon itself means that they had to beat Fatalis at least once, I am MR 128 and I am having problems even with like Tempered Teostra, Ruiner Nergigante, Zinogre and these end game monsters so I am always surprised if I see someone with half of my rank already having Fatalis weapon or even some armor parts, I think that beating Fatalis is possible... slightly comfortably, only at like MR 200 and augments on maximum + best possible gear for it, only at this moment I think that you are at least ready for Fatalis.

A lot of them are probably getting hard carried as well, i've helped ton of them too to the point i managed to get MR999, some even leeching by not helping us hunting the monster and just hide in the camp but that's that, in the end getting the gears with your sweat is a lot sweeter.

And btw you can comfortably solo him with that rank tho, you can augment anything when you already reach MR 100.

As for weapon you can just use Raging Brachy's weapon because the raw damage is actually good, Safi and Alatreon weapons work like charm as well if you already have them, with 7 critical eye and 5 agitator are mandatory skills.

I see that you stack a lot of offensive skills, if you feel like your survival rate really low, i really suggest you to focus on defense first, having only 2 fire defense against Fatalis when you are still not familiar fighting it is not different as reckless suicide.

For a suggestion the best non-Fatalis armor to fiight Fatalis is definetely Gold Rathian armor since its secret skill allows you to stack 5 Divine Blessing (Which negates 60% of damage you receive), really helpful against Fatalis' attacks, not to mention the armor has great fire defense as well.

And tbf it's kinda unnecessary to stack defense jewel (They are not that good anyway). As long you have max 5 Divine Blessing skill, max 3 Fire Resistance skill (With minimum 20 fire defense), level 1 Health Regen augmentation on your weapon, and perhaps Moxie skill from eating at canteen as well (Prevent you die once when your hp reach 0), then i am sure you'll be fine, the rest is just learning.

That is why I am also surprised by this game's monsters availability, you can go for Fatalis at MR 24, but Brute Tigrex (imo, much easier monster compared to the regular Tigrex) will become available at MR 70. Not talking about the arena Brute Tigrex.

That's Capcom mistake, and most of community disagree with that decision too.
It resulted a lot of people immediately rushing to Fatalis without try to enjoy the rest of end-game content first which is really not ideal, but again you have to be "really brave" to decide beating Fatalis when you just reach MR24 anyway which i guess Fatalis "punishes" them hard so they have to grind.

Also like i said, posting your session here is probably a good idea because a lot of good players hanging out in this forum, so we can at least try helping you out if you want.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Manticore:

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

I didn't really went for the ballistas, cannons, etc. because usually these kind of monsters are so aggresive that they will instantly go after you and either destroy the "tools" or just throw you away with their attack.

Not really it's not getting destroyed instantly, also like i said it requires strategy and very easy one to pull as well..

Simply just equip Ghillie Mantle and 1 slot of Heavy Artilery+ 4 jewel and you can knock down Fatalis once with two consecutive canons, once with roaming ballista (By shooting the tenderized chest), once with Dragonator (The last 15 minutes of the hunt), and you can also binding Fatalis twice with two one-shot binder ammo, giving a lot of opportunities to inflict damage especially on the head to reduce his fire power.

For roaming ballista you can just throw 2 smoke bombs on the ground, he'll then lost you for around 10 seconds, give you enough opportunity to shoot him comfortably with the tool.

Also remember, always use smoke bombs everytime he flies out. The trick is to always learn, it's probably the most safest strategy to break the head as well.

I am not sure if those low MR people had FULL gear, but many of them already had Fatalis weapon at least, which even the weapon itself means that they had to beat Fatalis at least once, I am MR 128 and I am having problems even with like Tempered Teostra, Ruiner Nergigante, Zinogre and these end game monsters so I am always surprised if I see someone with half of my rank already having Fatalis weapon or even some armor parts, I think that beating Fatalis is possible... slightly comfortably, only at like MR 200 and augments on maximum + best possible gear for it, only at this moment I think that you are at least ready for Fatalis.

A lot of them are probably getting hard carried as well, i've helped ton of them too to the point i managed to get MR999, some even leeching by not helping us hunting the monster and just hide in the camp but that's that, in the end getting the gears with your sweat is a lot sweeter.

And btw you can comfortably solo him with that rank tho, you can augment anything when you already reach MR 100.

As for weapon you can just use Raging Brachy's weapon because the raw damage is actually good, Safi and Alatreon weapons work like charm as well if you already have them, with 7 critical eye and 5 agitator are mandatory skills.

I see that you stack a lot of offensive skills, if you feel like your survival rate really low, i really suggest you to focus on defense first, having only 2 fire defense against Fatalis when you are still not familiar fighting it is not different as reckless suicide.

For a suggestion the best non-Fatalis armor to fiight Fatalis is definetely Gold Rathian armor since its secret skill allows you to stack 5 Divine Blessing (Which negates 60% of damage you receive), really helpful against Fatalis' attacks, not to mention the armor has great fire defense as well.

And tbf it's kinda unnecessary to stack defense jewel (They are not that good anyway). As long you have max 5 Divine Blessing skill, max 3 Fire Resistance skill (With minimum 20 fire defense), level 1 Health Regen augmentation on your weapon, and perhaps Moxie skill from eating at canteen as well (Prevent you die once when your hp reach 0), then i am sure you'll be fine, the rest is just learning.

That is why I am also surprised by this game's monsters availability, you can go for Fatalis at MR 24, but Brute Tigrex (imo, much easier monster compared to the regular Tigrex) will become available at MR 70. Not talking about the arena Brute Tigrex.

That's Capcom mistake, and most of community disagree with that decision too.
It resulted a lot of people immediately rushing to Fatalis without try to enjoy the rest of end-game content first which is really not ideal, but again you have to be "really brave" to decide beating Fatalis when you just reach MR24 anyway which i guess Fatalis "punishes" them hard so they have to grind.

Also like i said, posting your session here is probably a good idea because a lot of good players hanging out in this forum, so we can at least try helping you out if you want.

After reading your reply and wondering for like 2 hours, I have come to a conclusion that first huge step would probably be beating Alatreon and crafting his Longsword because it has CRAZY dragon damage and crazy sharpness + it has 2 lvl 2 decos which is handy and then I would be ready to think about going for Fatalis because there are no other god tier weapons like that one and I think that having a weapon like that would be much better than having Lightbreak Edge which I am using currently, it has nice raw damage and good slots, but it has horrible sharpness and you pretty much lose purple and white sharpness after like 4-5 minutes of fighting...

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

Originally posted by Manticore:

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After reading your reply and wondering for like 2 hours, I have come to a conclusion that first huge step would probably be beating Alatreon and crafting his Longsword because it has CRAZY dragon damage and crazy sharpness + it has 2 lvl 2 decos which is handy and then I would be ready to think about going for Fatalis because there are no other god tier weapons like that one and I think that having a weapon like that would be much better than having Lightbreak Edge which I am using currently, it has nice raw damage and good slots, but it has horrible sharpness and you pretty much lose purple and white sharpness after like 4-5 minutes of fighting...

Remember that using the fish scales to sharpen can make sharpening much faster so the low sharpness isn't that much of a problem.