Latent power buffing?

[Imperial City Guard]

I just thought about that but since lance take extreme advantage of Latent power (50% reduced stamina usage and 60% free crits)
i start to think i could ditch some crit and get 40% aff and get the rest with latent power since we can just activate it by taking 180 damage
Of course you need to be hella confident to take that much damage and not be stunned.
But i think for master's touch (which is a must for lance) could be extremely viable. Latent power last 2 minutes and can be refreshed as soon as it wears off.

[Fat Pigeon]

Its only kinda useful like resentment in combination with the safi set
Cause the activasion conditions where always kinda meh, normally you dont want to get hit (180/130 damage) or 300 seconds where without safi selfdamage not really worth it, cause there are easier ways to get those effects normally.

But with a Safi set in combinations its a intessting skill tbh

[Imperial City Guard]

Originally posted by Fat Pigeon:

Its only kinda useful like resentment in combination with the safi set
Cause the activasion conditions where always kinda meh, normally you dont want to get hit (180/130 damage) or 300 seconds where without safi selfdamage not really worth it, cause there are easier ways to get those effects normally.

But with a Safi set in combinations its a intessting skill tbh

Most likely health regen 1 on lance is more than enough to heal back up. at worst, you don't even need to be unsheathed to activate the effect. So far it's been working very well.
latent power 4 (cause i'm too lazy to max the charm) with expert 7 give me 100% crit and i don't need tenderiser anymore.
Since i use a raw safi lance i don't need to bust elemental damage. really really comfy for a guiding lands set
I get on average 80-113 per poke on non tenderised parts.

[GameSuki]

I use max latent power on bow and dual blades because of the stamina related skills + affinity but on lance it feels pointless. Lance is very precise weapon and tenderizing is easy so i just use weakness exploit and they don't benefit too much from stamina. It's your choice but you'll fit better skills in there with weakness exploit

[Imperial City Guard]

Originally posted by GameSuki:

I use max latent power on bow and dual blades because of the stamina related skills + affinity but on lance it feels pointless. Lance is very precise weapon and tenderizing is easy so i just use weakness exploit and they don't benefit too much from stamina. It's your choice but you'll fit better skills in there with weakness exploit

Lance can greatly benefit from stamina discount what are you talking about?
It helps with bigger windows of powerguard, more charging, move schovement and in general it make your much much faster.
You don't need tenderiser if your crit is at 100% which is super acheivable with latent power and expert 7.
Super easy to activate, literally just play lance.
Oh and can i ask why you're talking about tenderising?

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by Crowas:

Oh and can i ask why you're talking about tenderising?

I would assume it'd be because Lance is probably the best tenderiser in the game, thanks to the Counter Claw, you get to counter a monster blow and get a rocksteady-ed clutch claw grapple to easily tenderise, or even flinch shot a monster from. It also just makes the hitzone better so you deal more damage regardless.

[Imperial City Guard]

Originally posted by JebKerman:

Originally posted by Crowas:

Oh and can i ask why you're talking about tenderising?

I would assume it'd be because Lance is probably the best tenderiser in the game, thanks to the Counter Claw, you get to counter a monster blow and get a rocksteady-ed clutch claw grapple to easily tenderise, or even flinch shot a monster from. It also just makes the hitzone better so you deal more damage regardless.

Yeah but why did he mention it?
It does not have anything to do with crit or latent power.
It's absolutely off topic, why did he brought that in?

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by Crowas:

Originally posted by JebKerman:

I would assume it'd be because Lance is probably the best tenderiser in the game, thanks to the Counter Claw, you get to counter a monster blow and get a rocksteady-ed clutch claw grapple to easily tenderise, or even flinch shot a monster from. It also just makes the hitzone better so you deal more damage regardless.

Yeah but why did he mention it?
It does not have anything to do with crit or latent power.
It's absolutely off topic, why did he brought that in?

Why are you being so hostile about it?
If we're talking about alternatives to/what you are replacing with Latent Power that brings up skills like Weakness Exploit. Which, by tenderising, as you probably already are/should be, you can get that +50% affinity from using fewer deco slots than Latent Power which could then be used for other things, be it damage or utility.

Look, as a fellow Lancer it seems like an odd pick, I see the appeal but it still seems a bit odd.

The number of monsters that give me stamina trouble I can count on 1 hand, and for those I can eat for Black Belt to cover, so that aspect doesn't appeal to me, especially in a guiding lands context.

I also don't see myself taking that 180 damage every 2 minutes because the shield softens the blow too much for that to happen for on most monsters, so I don't see it getting the same sort of uptime I can get out of WEX.

But, of course, If it works for you, run with it.

[GameSuki]

Originally posted by Crowas:

Yeah but why did he mention it?
It does not have anything to do with crit or latent power.
It's absolutely off topic, why did he brought that in?

You know you do extra crit on tenderized body parts if you use weakness exploit? You get 20% bonus affinity. The reason why i mentioned it is becuase some weapons struggle to tenderize and that 20% is practically non-existent but lance being easy to tenderize and aim with, have that full 50% affinity from weakness exploit at all times. You can save 2 skill points from using weakness exploit which you can use for something else.
And like i said stamina reduction isn't something you gain huge advantage from with lance. If you have time for longer power guard you can just power guard bit later or simply sheath weapon and dodge.
if you can cavalry charge for that long, it's normally when you chase after the monster to different area which you can just call for tailraider.
More movement and faster? I don't know about that one. Rarely need to run for that long
I mean come up with a build with max latent power. There might be a good build

My current build is:
safi 3 & master's touch
critical boost3, weakness exploit3
Attack boost7, agitator5, offensive guard3
Guard 3, guard up, latent power 1
It's 100% crit

So if you max latent power you'll get extra 20% stamina reduction. See if that's worth whatever you drop compared to this build.

[Imperial City Guard]

Originally posted by JebKerman:

Originally posted by Crowas:

Yeah but why did he mention it?
It does not have anything to do with crit or latent power.
It's absolutely off topic, why did he brought that in?

Why are you being so hostile about it?
If we're talking about alternatives to/what you are replacing with Latent Power that brings up skills like Weakness Exploit. Which, by tenderising, as you probably already are/should be, you can get that +50% affinity from using fewer deco slots than Latent Power which could then be used for other things, be it damage or utility.

Look, as a fellow Lancer it seems like an odd pick, I see the appeal but it still seems a bit odd.

The number of monsters that give me stamina trouble I can count on 1 hand, and for those I can eat for Black Belt to cover, so that aspect doesn't appeal to me, especially in a guiding lands context.

I also don't see myself taking that 180 damage every 2 minutes because the shield softens the blow too much for that to happen for on most monsters, so I don't see it getting the same sort of uptime I can get out of WEX.

But, of course, If it works for you, run with it.

I'm not being hostile. I just want to know why did you added that.
What the hell, are people always triggered like that on the internet?
Anyway, latent power trigger extremely fast if you have health regen augment. since every time you block you take chip damage, maybe i'm just a magician, but i tend to make it trigger very fast and often.
And i don't even get hit that often!
It is true that tenderiser can be achieved in less decorations but the bonus is also lesser.
It is still a pretty damn great alternative. i recommend to try it out. just a charm with kaiser something( completely forgot which peice) give you maxed latent power. I don't recommend on elemental lances since you will need more deco to slot yourself.

[Bong-B Rippins]

Just dropping my 2 cents in here. I really like Latent power with 3 piece Safi on weapons like Insect Glaive and Longsword that don't have good integration with the claw for tenderizing. It's difficult to work in Latent Power with anything else though, it just takes too long to activate.

It looks nice for Dual Blades and Bow on paper, but sadly in practice you have to give up too much to make it work. Getting innate crit element on your weapon with 5 piece Safi is just too good. Safi armor is pretty generous with slots as well so unless you have like no decorations Latent Power would never come close.

[GameSuki]

Originally posted by Hymensmasher420:

Just dropping my 2 cents in here. I really like Latent power with 3 piece Safi on weapons like Insect Glaive and Longsword that don't have good integration with the claw for tenderizing. It's difficult to work in Latent Power with anything else though, it just takes too long to activate.

It looks nice for Dual Blades and Bow on paper, but sadly in practice you have to give up too much to make it work. Getting innate crit element on your weapon with 5 piece Safi is just too good. Safi armor is pretty generous with slots as well so unless you have like no decorations Latent Power would never come close.

On bow and dual blades i found it cheaper to run the latent power because critical eye + stamina is more than 7 slots whereas latent power is 5. So i have full safi + latent power for bow and dual blades

[Fregi]

Weakness exploit is already the better option compared to latent power when it comes to lance. You're better off using the precise nature of the weapon to just hit tenderized weakpoints than having latent power take forever to proc, even from the damage threshold.

In short... WeX > Latent power because WeX is in play a LOT longer than latent power.