Are Dual Blades too strong ?

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Anyone feels like Dual Blades are easymode ???
Better dodge good damage better mobility super easy combos almost zero wind up time to attacks...
Every time i switch to it for testing or for the lols or just because im bored of my current weapons i just constantly think to my self why im even using these other weapons feels like im trolling myself for using anything else then Dual Blades...

Im mostly a Switch Axe / Long Sword / Great Sword player.

All these combos skills you do with these weapons and Have to do. then you have Dual Blades and you just spam the monsters to dead with waaay less effort with way easier time to avoid attacks.

Am i missing something here ? Any Veterans can say something about this ?

[Summer]

Yeah Rise duel blades are essentially just button-mashing, with so many iFrames I almost thought I was playing Dark Souls and easy-to-spam counters to boot

[Suzaku]

They're simple and effective, but there are weapons that pump out far greater dps. If anything, DB could use a slight buff, as could many other weapons.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

They're simple and effective, but there are weapons that pump out far greater dps. If anything, DB could use a slight buff, as could many other weapons.

the most easy to use weapon with the best mobility and dodge should never have the same type of DPS then the other weapons that are worse in these stuff.
Of course lots of weapons have better DPS because of this.

But dps alone is not enough to be a good weapon.

[Lunchables]

it makes scents they are good because they are the hardest melee weapon to build for because you need a set for every element. the only other melee weapon thats stronger is greatsword but you need to play perfectly every time

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by Lunchables:

it makes scents they are good because they are the hardest melee weapon to build for because you need a set for every element. the only other melee weapon thats stronger is greatsword but you need to play perfectly every time

Most of the time you get away with only using Megumin element on them.
Not always but the good majority of the times.

[DoEFotGS]

Originally posted by Zordiark Darkeater:

Most of the time you get away with only using Megumin element on them.
Not always but the good majority of the times.

If you has such results in your hunts - you not efficient enough with other weapons.

Only four dual blades can compete with elemental counterparts while being raw or blast: Zirael, Diablos clubs and Defender in base game, and Fatalis in Iceborne.

Dual blades is elemental addicted weapon.

[DaBa]

They are too strong only if you fail to grasp the basics of MH combat. Things like superior mobility, fast combos or no wind up quickly become barely beneficial once you actually learn how to play the game. Even with Dual Blades because you want to be using Demon Dance as much as possible, which has a long animation. If you just button mash and dodge you'll be doing barely any damage and overall be very ineffective in comparison to others.

Originally posted by Zordiark Darkeater:

Originally posted by Suzaku:

They're simple and effective, but there are weapons that pump out far greater dps. If anything, DB could use a slight buff, as could many other weapons.

the most easy to use weapon with the best mobility and dodge should never have the same type of DPS then the other weapons that are worse in these stuff.
Of course lots of weapons have better DPS because of this.

But dps alone is not enough to be a good weapon.

You are very confused about this. Dual Blades aren't any weaker than other weapons, they might feel that way to you because you're not playing them properly. If you want to get the most out of DBs, you will have to build elemental armor sets and weapons for each element, study elemental hitzone values to learn where you should be hitting the monster, using armor skills that help manage stamina and popping Dash Juices like they are candy so you can stay in Demon Form as long as possible. Also maximizing your usage of Demon Dance, spamming normal attacks and dodging is pretty weak. And from the sound of it that's what you're doing, which means you're playing way too safe and spending more time running around like a headless chicken and not enough being in there and hitting the monster, only dodging the attacks at the last moment and only by the necessary amount so you're still in range to continue your offense.

If you do all that, Dual Blades will do DPS that is comparable with most other weapons, save for some obvious outliers. DBs might be "easy to use" as you say, but they are also easy to use wrong, which is how most new players play them since they are used to action games where that is how you play the game. And it's easy to fall into that trap and get used to playing like this, which will only create problems for you later down the road. You'll be experiencing hunts that last 30-40 minutes and you'll probably come back to make another one of those threads about how monsters in Iceborne have "bloated HP" and how it is not balanced or any other classics we see all the time in the threads like these

So, good luck figuring out how to play your weapon well! The learning process is the most enjoyable part of Monster Hunter, and seeing how your hunting times keep improving simply because you are using your weapon better is a rewarding experience.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by DaBa:

They are too strong only if you fail to grasp the basics of MH combat. Things like superior mobility, fast combos or no wind up quickly become barely beneficial once you actually learn how to play the game. Even with Dual Blades because you want to be using Demon Dance as much as possible, which has a long animation. If you just button mash and dodge you'll be doing barely any damage and overall be very ineffective in comparison to others.

Originally posted by Zordiark Darkeater:

the most easy to use weapon with the best mobility and dodge should never have the same type of DPS then the other weapons that are worse in these stuff.
Of course lots of weapons have better DPS because of this.

But dps alone is not enough to be a good weapon.

You are very confused about this. Dual Blades aren't any weaker than other weapons, they might feel that way to you because you're not playing them properly. If you want to get the most out of DBs, you will have to build elemental armor sets and weapons for each element, study elemental hitzone values to learn where you should be hitting the monster, using armor skills that help manage stamina and popping Dash Juices like they are candy so you can stay in Demon Form as long as possible. Also maximizing your usage of Demon Dance, spamming normal attacks and dodging is pretty weak. And from the sound of it that's what you're doing, which means you're playing way too safe and spending more time running around like a headless chicken and not enough being in there and hitting the monster, only dodging the attacks at the last moment and only by the necessary amount so you're still in range to continue your offense.

If you do all that, Dual Blades will do DPS that is comparable with most other weapons, save for some obvious outliers. DBs might be "easy to use" as you say, but they are also easy to use wrong, which is how most new players play them since they are used to action games where that is how you play the game. And it's easy to fall into that trap and get used to playing like this, which will only create problems for you later down the road. You'll be experiencing hunts that last 30-40 minutes and you'll probably come back to make another one of those threads about how monsters in Iceborne have "bloated HP" and how it is not balanced or any other classics we see all the time in the threads like these :mhwhappy:

So, good luck figuring out how to play your weapon well! The learning process is the most enjoyable part of Monster Hunter, and seeing how your hunting times keep improving simply because you are using your weapon better is a rewarding experience.

Nice try but im Using a demon mode build where im almost constantly in Demon mode Murdering monsters left and right.
And i can properly use the other weapons i listed those are my mains.

Dual Blades still feel Superior Because how much less tress is on the player to use it and how little Overall positioning and good timing you need for it to work.

The only reason im not using it as a main weapon because im not a fan of Small toothpicks...
And the Animations on it is Meh compared to the other 3.

Also it seems like you guys are contradicting each other on how well they do damage compared to each other.
As i see it they seem like they do around the same DPS as other weapons if we count the Downtime/Uptime in a fight with these different weapons except its better when it come to almost everything else that is not damage.

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Zordiark Darkeater:

Nice try but im Using a demon mode build where im almost constantly in Demon mode Murdering monsters left and right.
And i can properly use the other weapons i listed those are my mains.

Dual Blades still feel Superior Because how much less tress is on the player to use it and how little Overall positioning and good timing you need for it to work.

The only reason im not using it as a main weapon because im not a fan of Small toothpicks...
And the Animations on it is Meh compared to the other 3.

Okay... so you main three other weapons, but then you switch to dual blades that you don't really play as much and they somehow feel much better to you? How does that work, exactly? You sure you know how to play Long Sword or any of those other weapons properly? Because to me it sounds like you're still very wet behind the ears. Especially if you main a Long Sword of all weapons, the king of evading, countering and DPS. I cannot imagine any actual LS main switching to Dual Blades and immediately thinking "OMG is this too strong???"

I don't even know what the point of this post was, seems like you were confused about Dual Blades, so people clarified to you. You should be satisfied with the answers.

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Zordiark Darkeater:

Also it seems like you guys are contradicting each other on how well they do damage compared to each other.
As i see it they seem like they do around the same DPS as other weapons if we count the Downtime/Uptime in a fight with these different weapons except its better when it come to almost everything else that is not damage.

Again, I don't understand what you're even trying to say. Build a good armor set, use the weapon well, and it will do good damage. Isn't that self explanatory? What contradiction?

Besides, you have access to the internet, look up TAs for Dual Blades and compare them to other weapons if you want a ballpark estimate of damage under optimal conditions. On average you'll find Dual Blades outperform most weapons in the game (aka they are in the top half of the charts). But not to the point where they stand out, they are simply good.

[Jaevwyn]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

They're simple and effective, but there are weapons that pump out far greater dps. If anything, DB could use a slight buff, as could many other weapons.

long as you dont compare all weapons to HBG theyre fine

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Jaevwyn:

Originally posted by Suzaku:

They're simple and effective, but there are weapons that pump out far greater dps. If anything, DB could use a slight buff, as could many other weapons.

long as you dont compare all weapons to HBG theyre fine

Amen to that.

[TuskSpin]

Originally posted by Cosmos:

Yeah Rise duel blades are essentially just button-mashing, with so many iFrames I almost thought I was playing Dark Souls and easy-to-spam counters to boot

The dash doesn't get any extra iframes, in fact, you get fewer iframes in rise (4 vs 7)

Not to mention they've dropped 4 places on the speedrun tier list going from world to rise

[TuskSpin]

>Plays long sword
>complaining about DBs being too easy/op

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by TuskSpin:

>Plays long sword
>complaining about DBs being too easy/op

This does not make any sense.
What im talking about of is ease of use for the same reward/outcome and damage.
And DB laughs on most of the weapons in the game when it comes to that lol

Long Blades for example needs damn good timings on the user part to make it effective.

Great sword is heavily Punished Mobility wise and Positionig/timing the Charge ups is super important with it. knowledge of knowing the monster animations is again huge with a GS.

Switch Axe is more casual friendly and spammy but mobility is again punished.

Then you have DB... Slap the good element on it spam your demon Mode nuke the monster while avoiding casually most of the monster attacks Next...