Alatreon blazing black twilight

[Ryszard]

Just can't seem to do enough damage to it before it can switch elements to ice after two Escaton Judgement. this happen even during solo where I still need to get better at not dying from certain attacks and happens during duo. makes me wish there was a progression bar showing how much hp it had left so i could know if there was hope. that's it rant over thanks for coming to my steam talk.

[makinaccion]

I've no idea about your gear, but if you can survive that long you are pretty much there already!, stop hitting Ala's big ass and focus on his forelegs and head!, tenderize when possible and forget about silly MMO raid bars, all you need is a bit more practice, finesse!

[Franss the Coffee Addict]

How hard ala is depens on what weapon type you use. Even if you use GS with ele crit boost it may still lack in the total elemental damage needed to topple alatreon

[sor]

Focus on his arms in elemental phase, they take more elem damage

[Ryszard]

Originally posted by makinaccion:

I've no idea about your gear, but if you can survive that long you are pretty much there already!, stop hitting Ala's big ass and focus on his forelegs and head!, tenderize when possible and forget about silly MMO raid bars, all you need is a bit more practice, finesse!

Using Mist Glacia bow with four piece sliver rath and one piece garuge. i'm getting to the after the second EJ and the dragon mode but end up dying to frost breath, fire spinning breath or the fly in and explode moves.

[Ryszard]

Originally posted by Franss the Coffee Addict:

How hard ala is depens on what weapon type you use. Even if you use GS with ele crit boost it may still lack in the total elemental damage needed to topple alatreon

Not a problem to topple alatreon as i manage at least one maybe two. just can't seem to deal enough damage overall.

[Ryszard]

Originally posted by sor:

Focus on his arms in elemental phase, they take more elem damage

Can i ask where you found out this info because i can't seem to find anything on that.

[sor]

Originally posted by Ryszard:

Originally posted by sor:

Focus on his arms in elemental phase, they take more elem damage

Can i ask where you found out this info because i can't seem to find anything on that.

sure, here's the link - https://robomeche.github.io/MHW-Database/

[Roshambo]

Aim for the front legs until he switches element and then focus the head until you break the horn. Then go back to the front legs. Wounding is good if you can do it quickly (clutch claw boost gem, weapon that wounds each clutch). If all goes well you should kill Alatreon before the 3rd wipe attack.

Bring at least 500 element and make sure you have a way to avoid dragonblight to prevent your element from being nullified (blight resist 3, dragon resist 20+, don't get hit by Alatreon's physical attacks). You can also just bring nulberries and pop one each time you get dragonblight.

Dragon is probably the worst element to bring because the phase where it gets the most damage is shorter than the phase when the other elements work best. If you are doing the Special Assignment for Alatreon (Blazing Black Twilight) bring Ice element provided you are breaking his horn. Water would be the next best choice if not.

If you don't have a high damage, high element build yet you may want to SOS and build around providing healing to the team with as much element as you can provide for now.

Crit Element on a crit build (50% affinity or higher, crit boost 3) helps a lot if you have access to it. You should be able to get a weapon that has 700-1000 element with a bit of prep.

Add a point or two of part breaker *IF* you are having trouble breaking the horn before Alatreon's wipe attack.

Alatreon's armor set is helpful (although not necessary) for beating him mostly for defensive purposes so if you run solo bring your Palico with a leveled up Plunderblade to help farm all his parts while you learn the fight.

Before Alatreon is enraged you can bring him to the ground while flying with a slinger shot to his head if you are having trouble smashing him into the walls at the corner of the map. Temporal mantle helps with getting into position to do this.

[Ember]

Originally posted by Roshambo:

Add a point or two of part breaker if you are having trouble breaking the horn before Alatreon's wipe attack.

Not necessary, as the part has extremely low hp values. Even easier to break since OP is playing solo/duo. Not to mention the insane amount of openings it gives you to break them with only a couple shots on bow.

Other offensive skills will be better here.

Either not being aggressive enough or the build is lacking damage. There is also a possibility of them hitting the wrong hitzones for their weapon type.

Assuming it is the case mentioned above, consider tenderizing his wings to get good hitzones on the chest and hit it during some openings. That way, you can do some nice damage to Alatreon and hopefully clear it before the third EJ. Tail is also an option for DPS if you can't quite hit the chest often.

Not every weapon needs to hit the head.

Also, the moves you are having trouble with can be mostly avoided by using the superman/panic dive. If you haven't learned it yet, you definitely should.


TL;DR Hit arms to get the topples and then either tail/chest for damage. Of course, don't forget to break the horns during dragon mode.

[Ryszard]

Originally posted by Roshambo:

Aim for the front legs until he switches element and then focus the head until you break the horn. Then go back to the front legs. Wounding is good if you can do it quickly (clutch claw boost gem, weapon that wounds each clutch). If all goes well you should kill Alatreon before the 3rd wipe attack.

Bring at least 500 element and make sure you have a way to avoid dragonblight to prevent your element from being nullified (blight resist 3, dragon resist 20+, don't get hit by Alatreon's physical attacks). Dragon is probably the worst element to bring because the phase where it gets the most damage is shorter than the phase when the other elements work best.

If you don't have a high damage, high element build yet you may want to SOS and build around providing healing to the team with as much element as you can provide for now.

Crit Element on a crit build (50% affinity or higher, crit boost 3) helps a lot if you have access to it. You should be able to get a weapon that has 700-1000 element with a bit of prep.

Add a point or two of part breaker *IF* you are having trouble breaking the horn before Alatreon's wipe attack.

Alatreon's armor set is helpful (although not necessary) for beating him mostly for defensive purposes so if you run solo bring your Palico with a leveled up Plunderblade to help farm all his parts while you learn the fight.

Before Alatreon is enraged you can bring him to the ground while flying with a slinger shot to his head if you are having trouble smashing him into the walls at the corner of the map. Temporal mantle helps with getting into position to do this.

i run the silver rath skill true crit with 3 lv crit boost and my bow element only goes to around 630. I don't know if it still going up but not showing when i check equipment or not.

[Roshambo]

Make sure your affinity is high with critical eye jewels and maybe weakness exploit or else all that damage is meaningless. 10% Affinity means one in every 10 attacks will proc your crit and so on. If your affinity is zero it means you will never land a crit. If, by chance, your affinity is negative it means you will actually do less damage when a crit lands. You can tell how often you crit by the red streak that appears when the attack lands.

Are you boosting the element with elemental boost jewels that match (ice bow --> ice attack jewel, etc)?

[Ryszard]

Originally posted by Roshambo:

Make sure your affinity is high with critical eye jewels and maybe weakness exploit or else all that damage is meaningless. 10% Affinity means one in every 10 attacks will proc your crit and so on. If your affinity is zero it means you will never land a crit. If, by chance, your affinity is negative it means you will actually do less damage when a crit lands. You can tell how often you crit by the red streak that appears when the attack lands.

Are you boosting the element with elemental boost jewels that match (ice bow --> ice attack jewel, etc)?

running Ice attack, critical eye, critical boost, Spread Power Shots, and bow charge plus

[DoEFotGS]

Originally posted by Ryszard:

Using Mist Glacia bow with four piece sliver rath and one piece garuge. i'm getting to the after the second EJ and the dragon mode but end up dying to frost breath, fire spinning breath or the fly in and explode moves.

Make bow from Frostfang Barrioth - it's better than your current and stay as sidegrade to fully awakened frost Safi bow.

Originally posted by Ryszard:

i run the silver rath skill true crit with 3 lv crit boost and my bow element only goes to around 630. I don't know if it still going up but not showing when i check equipment or not.

Crit boost skill work only on raw damage (Mist glacia has less raw than Edelescha) and don't modify elemental at all, also if your affinity (critical chance) is low - your investment in TCE set bonus is wasted. Make sure you has weakness exploit (+50% affinity to weak and tenderized parts) as well as some other affinity skills to hit al least 70% total. Frostfang bow, if you wonder, has innate +15% affinity.

[Ryszard]

Originally posted by DoEFotGS:

Originally posted by Ryszard:

Using Mist Glacia bow with four piece sliver rath and one piece garuge. i'm getting to the after the second EJ and the dragon mode but end up dying to frost breath, fire spinning breath or the fly in and explode moves.

Make bow from Frostfang Barrioth - it's better than your current and stay as sidegrade to fully awakened frost Safi bow.

Originally posted by Ryszard:

i run the silver rath skill true crit with 3 lv crit boost and my bow element only goes to around 630. I don't know if it still going up but not showing when i check equipment or not.

Crit boost skill work only on raw damage (Mist glacia has less raw than Edelescha) and don't modify elemental at all, also if your affinity (critical chance) is low - your investment in TCE set bonus is wasted. Make sure you has weakness exploit (+50% affinity to weak and tenderized parts) as well as some other affinity skills to hit al least 70% total. Frostfang bow, if you wonder, has innate +15% affinity.

If i were to use the frostfang bow my affinity would only be 55% as the jewls i have on are being used and can't really be swap out so i can't put weakness exploit in really with out a lost. also don't have a frost safi bow.

[DoEFotGS]

Originally posted by Ryszard:

If i were to use the frostfang bow my affinity would only be 55% as the jewls i have on are being used and can't really be swap out so i can't put weakness exploit in really with out a lost.

You lose much more by using crap set which has value only because of TCE on it while you can't utilize TCE 45% of the time. You can swap to regulat CE from 2 pieces of Velkhana or, better variant, use Safi set, if you has it.

TCE is 1.55 for bow while CE is 1.35 multiplier. This can't be modified by any skill in the game.

Safi set give you +40% affinity, +150 to element and rise elemental cap to 2.35 (for bow) while weapon is drawn. But add self damage for each strike/shoot (8 for bow) with healing possibility after some succesfull strikes/shoots (5 for bow). If you don't miss - you spend 40 HP to heal 60 HP.

you even can mix Velk CE with 3 Safi, but get less otcome from weaker Safi effect - only 20% affinity, 80 element and change ele cap to 1.8.

Originally posted by Ryszard:

also don't have a frost safi bow.

You don't need frost Safi bow. Frostfang bow, Edelescha, is nearly equivalent to fully awakened Safi frost. Just make Edelescha.