Vaal Hazak set bonus is underwhelming

[Shajirr]

I spent a lot of time farming 3 pieces to get the recovery bonus and... it kinda sucks.
Recovery is extremely slow, and doesn't really help survivability in any way.
Instead of peak performance I can just have attack 2 which will always be active.

I suppose it can be nice to heal chip damage for some ranged builds, but those will want completely different armour in the first place.

I went back to my old set with Health Boost 3 and other stuff, and health boost provides far better survivability.

The only thing which is good is lots of gem slots.

Basically it takes 20-30 seconds to heal the damage from just one hit, and needless to say all that time you are being far more vulnerable to dying if you don't use a potion, while using a potion kinda defeats the whole idea of recovering health.

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Nyanko Sensei:

yay you noticed. now you go build a set that fully optimized your weapons damage potential to kill stuff faster. like 1-5min fast for tempered t2 t3 hunts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djp8ODyRK68

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by chris:

It also comes with negative fire resist.

this is where the geralt does it better xD

[Shinshe]

Vaal set is best for Lance cause he stand still poke fast with the passive and healthregen and speed up its insane how much u heal also works for gun lance wide shelling its fast.

[Grottowalker]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

Originally posted by Grottowalker:

i use it on my sticky bow gun build.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1819441190


also, you can increase the effectiveness with one of the healing skills. not the one that comes on the armor, the one that makes potions heal you for more. it makes the ticks of healing past red hp larger.


honestly i really like it cause i can stop caring about chip damage. i use 1 mega potion per battle if at all.

Recovery Up increases healing sources potency, but I don't think it effects Vaals HOT any more than it does the passive HOT from Recovery Speed. I know the HH song to boost Recovery Speed stacks with the Recovery Speed skill, but it doesn't effect Vaals HOT recovery beyond the red mark. It does, however, replenish health fast enough that Vaals armor bonus can kick in all the sooner. If you get hit hard enough to knock you down there's a high chance any red in your health bar will be gone before you get back up, so Vaals armor is already kicking in before you take another hit.

I could be wrong on this. Just my understanding of the matter.

Recovery Up- works on Val when you have no Red HP

Recovery Speed - works on Val when you have Red HP

[Shajirr]

Originally posted by Grottowalker:

Recovery Speed - works on Val when you have Red HP

Nope.

When you have red recoverable HP, Vaal set bonus is not even active, its only active when you don't have it.

Recovery Speed amplifies your natural healing. In short, Recovery Speed with or without Vaal set bonus heals the recoverable damage at the same speed.

[lailaamell]

Smarter to have pure offense build in my opinion

[Grottowalker]

Originally posted by White Spirit:

Originally posted by Grottowalker:

Recovery Speed - works on Val when you have Red HP

Nope.

When you have red recoverable HP, Vaal set bonus is not even active, its only active when you don't have it.

Recovery Speed amplifies your natural healing. In short, Recovery Speed with or without Vaal set bonus heals the recoverable damage at the same speed.

True. what I meant but badly worded. Was simply saying when the skills were active while wearing said armour

[Edifier]

Originally posted by lailaamell95:

Smarter to have pure offense build in my opinion

It depends.

Can you avoid most hits? Then yes an offense build will do you much better.

Can't dodge all hits? A defense build with a strong weapon will good enough for you to deal with most monsters in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zSb9OR-gCA
The person has life steal on his weapons by the looks of it but still. With at least some pieces of Vaal set + the potion Immunizer you get such a good HP regen that potions are only used for absolute emergencies because the rest will just heal up.

Seeing how he didn't need a single potion on Nergigante while just tanking hits means he can tank hits from all previous monsters in the game.

[Lemonidas of Sourta]

I use Vaal set regularly with my Gunlance ( coupled with Jerky/Immunizer). You will regen most of the health lost by the time you get back from that knockdown (!!!) And heal chip damage from blocking particularly aggressive monsters like AT Nergi. Block his dive, and heal back all damage by the time he's recovered from the dive. Also, 2 more Medicine gems, and you heal 30% extra from all sources. So life steal + health booster + full burst equals immortality.