Vaal Hazak set bonus is underwhelming

[Shajirr]

I spent a lot of time farming 3 pieces to get the recovery bonus and... it kinda sucks.
Recovery is extremely slow, and doesn't really help survivability in any way.
Instead of peak performance I can just have attack 2 which will always be active.

I suppose it can be nice to heal chip damage for some ranged builds, but those will want completely different armour in the first place.

I went back to my old set with Health Boost 3 and other stuff, and health boost provides far better survivability.

The only thing which is good is lots of gem slots.

Basically it takes 20-30 seconds to heal the damage from just one hit, and needless to say all that time you are being far more vulnerable to dying if you don't use a potion, while using a potion kinda defeats the whole idea of recovering health.

[NoobMaster69]

I find the 3 piece Vaal set is very useful for my very casual Charge Blade build. It allows me to recover any small chunks of HP lost when guard pointing so I am always at full HP.

I agree though, it's not that useful if you've taken a full hit to the face and have to recover a large amount of HP.

[Greb]

I thought the set bonus just let you heal without having any red / yellow on your health bar?

Natural recovery sucks, you need to amplify it with other skills and combine it with health regeneration augments, Peak Performance and stuff like Astera Jerky for it to be super good. Peak Performance is something you only use when you want to squeeze the most damage out of your build in my opinion, combined with something very flexible like a Light Bowgun. I dunno, I barely use it.

Otherwise yeah it's just bleh. Useful for certain situations such as ironically fighting Vaal Hazak to mitigate the area of effect, or tanking Behemoth, etc, but yeah usually not worth it.

At least it's there. It breaks down the monotony of Attack Boost 7 Critical Boost 3 Weakness Exploit 3 Critical Eye 3 Maximum Might 3 builds, I guess. Never hurts to be a little Immorton Joe every once in a while.

[Shajirr]

The only thing which can amplify the hazak HP recovery is Recovery Up, and only for 30%, so it still sucks.

If I had health regen augument on a weapon I wouldn't even need this set to begin with.

[ChaosFred]

True though that Vaal hazak set is pretty much underpowered. Both from its set bonus and the armor skills and slots. The only noticeable skill is recovery speed and peak performance. Probably dragon attack if you are using dragon element DB, Bow or alike. The effluvial resistance is pretty much map dependent. The slots given all are level 1 slots...

But it is also balanced with how easy vaal hazak in first place; You encounter this monster on 3rd map, compared to all elders, vaal is probably easiest to fight as long you have that effluvial resistance and HP boost lv 3 then none of Vaal hazak attack should able to 100-0 in a hit or combo you to death until you reached its AT version.
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Meanwhile, the Nergigante armor set which gives the same HP regen bonus from attacking instead are far more powerful in offensive terms. The HP regen also far quicker if you able to keep on aggressive side. Parts which give conditional skills like agitator or maximum might which doesn't work on some weapons also easier to subs out.

[Xilo The Odd]

stack the set with using something that can heal a lot of HP using a health augment, its an excellent survival set against most things (cept things that spew fire or explode with fire.) as any big hit you'll typically be able to heal the greater portion of it, and while you still have red HP your healing climbs quite fast.

once on console i was near dead, but my health augmented CB, i did an SAED instead of stop to heal and got all the hits and was back up to atleast 50% HP again. so all i had to do was another one and while in the process of building that up super recovery maintains all the nicks and dings from keeping you down.

its a solid 3 set bonus, but the Geralt armor ultimately does it better in terms of survival.

[Tregrenos]

Vaals armor combo was great for my Leshen Support Horn build. I also really like how it looks, so I've used the pieces in other gear as well.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1748450818
For a support horn I need a set that could tank Leshens hits as I better learned its moves as well as make up for the slow reaction time.

[cruste]

it is a fashion armor

[!?!]

It also comes with negative fire resist.

[JPM岩]

The only vaal armor worth using is the vaal belt y

[marclnelson]

I found the Vaal set bonus really useful for a while, but I had made a whole vampire build with recovery up. That and a health augmented weapon, I never had to heal unless it ate a really big move (divebomb, Diablos burrow, etc). I DO use SNS, and I know some weapons (like scattershot ranged) only give you HP on the first hit or something so not great. There’s a Vaal gamma piece that’s one of the most efficient pieces in the game (can’t remember which one). But yeah, I used it as a crutch entering the late game for a little bit. Now my builds for arch tempered fights etc are a straight mix of DPS and fight specific resistances. Vaal set gets used for Vaal mostly.

[Flori281]

The Vaal Armor should totally have an effect like that White Fatalis skill from one of the old games. I forgot where I saw it and what game it was from. Basically if you cart, you hit that revive button like Sekiro, get large attack boosts and defense boosts, and your health slowly drains until 0, where you cart forreal. Alternatively it would be cool to use the effluvia Vaal gains strength from. A fun idea (imo) would be to get a free revive, but your health constantly drains unless you're standing in effluvia, and in it your health stops draining and you get attack and defense buffs. Or if you get the effluvia debuff/stand in effluvia areas you gain attack and defense buffs, but get debuffs if you're away from it.

[Grottowalker]

i use it on my sticky bow gun build.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1819441190


also, you can increase the effectiveness with one of the healing skills. not the one that comes on the armor, the one that makes potions heal you for more. it makes the ticks of healing past red hp larger.


honestly i really like it cause i can stop caring about chip damage. i use 1 mega potion per battle if at all.

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Grottowalker:

i use it on my sticky bow gun build.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1819441190


also, you can increase the effectiveness with one of the healing skills. not the one that comes on the armor, the one that makes potions heal you for more. it makes the ticks of healing past red hp larger.


honestly i really like it cause i can stop caring about chip damage. i use 1 mega potion per battle if at all.

Recovery Up increases healing sources potency, but I don't think it effects Vaals HOT any more than it does the passive HOT from Recovery Speed. I know the HH song to boost Recovery Speed stacks with the Recovery Speed skill, but it doesn't effect Vaals HOT recovery beyond the red mark. It does, however, replenish health fast enough that Vaals armor bonus can kick in all the sooner. If you get hit hard enough to knock you down there's a high chance any red in your health bar will be gone before you get back up, so Vaals armor is already kicking in before you take another hit.

I could be wrong on this. Just my understanding of the matter.

[IrisMachina]

yay you noticed. now you go build a set that fully optimized your weapons damage potential to kill stuff faster. like 1-5min fast for tempered t2 t3 hunts.

[!?!]

Originally posted by Grottowalker:

i use it on my sticky bow gun build.

You get way more from a life leech augment on your dark devourer and fireblight on the weapon that takes 10 years to sheath and has a 5 year roll animation is a disaster.