Evade Window Skill (For Bow)

[Suki]

I'm using a bow, and i want to use this to dodge roar attacks and effectively use the evasion mantle. At what level should i set this skill?

[Superlative Smegma Savant]

Not trying to be that guy, but I'd spend a little more time trying to get the timing ironed out so you can dodge the roars with your evasion mantle to proc the damage boost from it as that's it's main draw for bow usage, especially in solo Bow TA speedruns.

[D K]

I-frames (evade window) are pretty terrible in monster hunter, because monsters attacks have huge, long lasting, moving attack hitboxes.

In dark souls if your iframes protect you at the moment of contact, you will avoid the ENTIRE attack.

In Monster Hunter Hunter, your iframes have to protect you during the ENTIRE attack animation that comes in contact.

To put it in perspective: 15 iframes vs 6 doesn't mean anything when you have to dodge 90 frames of monster attack animation.

In monster hunter you don't dodge to gain invincibility, you dodge to get out of the way.

Get evade extender and you'll be alot happer.


I'm not saying evade window wont prevent hits, but in the long run it will cause overconfidence and getting hit more.

[Suki]

Originally posted by Daddy Kiwwi:

I-frames (evade window) are pretty terrible in monster hunter, because monsters attacks have huge, long lasting, moving attack hitboxes.

In dark souls if your iframes protect you at the moment of contact, you will avoid the ENTIRE attack.

In Monster Hunter Hunter, your iframes have to protect you during the ENTIRE attack animation that comes in contact.

To put it in perspective: 15 iframes vs 6 doesn't mean anything when you have to dodge 90 frames of monster attack animation.

In monster hunter you don't dodge to gain invincibility, you dodge to get out of the way.

Get evade extender and you'll be alot happer.


I'm not saying evade window wont prevent hits, but in the long run it will cause overconfidence and getting hit more.

I see, thanks for the info

[♋Phenex]

Even evade window maxed is sometimes not enough I-frames cause I've used the evasion mantle to roll through Vaal/Deviljho's tail whip and I've still been hit even though I rolled through basically the whole attack.

[Shift]

Like was said, forget dark souls rolling. If you try to dodge here like you would there, you'll die every single time.
Theoretically, you can i-frame an attack if and ONLY IF the amount of frames used into that attack is lower than the amount of iframes the roll provides you with. Problem is, 90% of the attacks have such insane amount of frames it becomes quite useless to even try. With that in mind, you best bet is using roll to get away from any contact with the monster hitbox, best done with evade extender that let you roll further and avoid the attack with more ease, specially when the attack is so large you're pratically hit if you're at it's center point the moment they get launched.

[Venusgate]

Evade extender > Evade Window.

Don't need i-frames if you charge dash out of any occlusion.

[Xilo The Odd]

evade window is a bit trash for the majority of attacks dished by most monsters. with all of em being too long to completely avoid.

that said, i too experimented with evade window 5 and max constitution and a spread jewel, and did a power shot bow set focused soley on using the impact mantle and evade mantle. it works pretty well if you keep in mind not everything is dodgeable, quick claw swipes and some tail sweeps are avoidable as well as monster roars. but then there are some moves that just last too long or are comprised of multiple parts and you get hit by a secondary effect (like fire on the ground or stuck in mud)

its a fun playstyle for bow and it feels more active, if its more effective or not im not one to say, CB is my main weapon of choice.

[big fella]

Since it's likely nobody answering you can actually utilise the i-frames in MHW, if you're using evade mantle and its extra skill slots, go no higher than Evade 2. Mantle increases that to 5 to give you the best odds of activating its true damage bonus on successful evade and evade 2 is enough to enable you to easily train yourself to avoid roars. After maybe a week of actually trying to evade roars i'd suggest that if you have a success rate above 50% you take evade out and practice with less i-frames and eventually you'll be completely unfazed by all roars without needing evade at all. Extender is a waste of a slot if you've good monster understanding since not only does dive exist, but in this series of games premeditating is a perfectly trainable way to avoid damage.

All roars can be evaded without Evade skills, treat them as training wheels.

[jonesp]

Originally posted by Wolves:

Extender is a waste of a slot if you've good monster understanding

agree, you dont need it if you know monsters moves. i main bow, and i tried and tested extender. it messes up my aiming so i stop using it. while testing, i didnt notice any difference on my dodging it felt the same. only difference is my aiming sucked, so i never used extender again. its probably a matter of getting used to, but whatever.

[Saraf]

Originally posted by Daddy Kiwwi:

I-frames (evade window) are pretty terrible in monster hunter, because monsters attacks have huge, long lasting, moving attack hitboxes.

In dark souls if your iframes protect you at the moment of contact, you will avoid the ENTIRE attack.

In Monster Hunter Hunter, your iframes have to protect you during the ENTIRE attack animation that comes in contact.

To put it in perspective: 15 iframes vs 6 doesn't mean anything when you have to dodge 90 frames of monster attack animation.

In monster hunter you don't dodge to gain invincibility, you dodge to get out of the way.

Get evade extender and you'll be alot happer.


I'm not saying evade window wont prevent hits, but in the long run it will cause overconfidence and getting hit more.

As a hammer user who loved to play against Temp Jho, this is 100% right.

Hammer got no decent i-frame like LS or GS, even SnS backstep got a lot of i-frame.

The only way to avoid Jho attacks with hammer when you in close range is by dodging into the attack instead of backward or sideway.
The long hitbox frame will be miss you when you dodge to the front instead of other ways, still this need good timing and will not 100% happen all the time because dodge roll i-frame is super short.
So dodging into or other direction of hitbox is the best way to use dodge roll.

[<:)]

I thought i frames during evade were more for evading roars. They aren't designed to phase through attacks.

[Venusgate]

Originally posted by jonesp:

Originally posted by Wolves:

Extender is a waste of a slot if you've good monster understanding

agree, you dont need it if you know monsters moves. i main bow, and i tried and tested extender. it messes up my aiming so i stop using it. while testing, i didnt notice any difference on my dodging it felt the same. only difference is my aiming sucked, so i never used extender again. its probably a matter of getting used to, but whatever.

I find it also gets me at the angle I want faster, or when jho is doing his 5 swipe bulldozer, i can dash back, shoot face, dash back, shoot face, etc and he only gains a few inches each time.

[VonDodo]

Never seen ANYONE able to reliably dodge roars.
Except on the forum obviously where people kills archtempered dodogama with their head tied behind their back….(never seen one of them in game though).