Alatreon tips?

[Corey]

IDK if its my armor or skills or what, but this dude is absolutely destroying me. Half his attacks do half my health in damage and he follows up almost everything. I've got BnB like max health boost, critical stuff and attack boost and 15 fire def, been using safi ice longsword as well. My only 'bad negative stat' for this fight is I'd say my negative 15 ice defense, but the amount of damage this dude does is still insane imo.

P.S. I'm running raging braccy and teostra armor atm, with the first tier skills from either set.

[Honorable_D]

I have soloed him 4 times now with HBG Pierce and my fastest kill was 13 min with 1 horn break and I carted only once to the nova.

All you gotta do is take your best DPS set, add in a Guard Up deco somewhere and craft a Guard V charm. Then slot 3 shield mods into your bowgun. I used a Safi Sniper Cannon but you could probably get away with a fully augmented Crimson Kadachi Lion II. Put a Health Regen augment in if you can as that will help heal the minor chip damage from guarding.

With Guard up and Guard V you can block everything but the nova (of course) and two ice moves. One ice move is the long range, narrow breath—just spam roll to the side as soon as you see the tell. The other is the AoE ice circle he makes when he flies up and aims his head downwards. Again, just spam roll out of them as soon as you see the tell. If you start spam rolling right away you'll only take a few tics of ice damage which shouldn't be life threatening.

Give your Palico the Shieldspire gadget and spam the Stooge ability on cooldown. It'll take heat off you—the less time blocking the more time spamming Pierce.

Keep the wings tenderized. For some reason clutching to the wings and tenderizing them will also tenderize the chest. And the chest is your target. Spam the chest nonstop preferably from the rear or front because you'll get the most Pierce damage tics that way. Wall bang him at the very start with Rocksteady Mantle by clutching to his head ASAP before he moves after the roar and spinning him twice (only works if you're doing the normal, non-special assignment quests).

I've gotten a horn break 3/4 of my kills. Give your Palico the Master rank Radobaan weapon as it has Sleep element on it. I kid you not, something about the timing of this fight is just perfect for this cause 3/4 times that he has entered into Dragon element mode and you can break the horns, my Palico has procced the sleep. Once Alatreaon sleeps, drop 2 mega barrel bombs at his head and Wyvernfire the horns to wake him up and detonate the bombs. Horn break every time.

[Corey]

Originally posted by Honorable_D:

I have soloed him 4 times now with HBG Pierce and my fastest kill was 13 min with 1 horn break and I carted only once to the nova.

All you gotta do is take your best DPS set, add in a Guard Up deco somewhere and craft a Guard V charm. Then slot 3 shield mods into your bowgun. I used a Safi Sniper Cannon but you could probably get away with a fully augmented Crimson Kadachi Lion II. Put a Health Regen augment in if you can as that will help heal the minor chip damage from guarding.

With Guard up and Guard V you can block everything but the nova (of course) and two ice moves. One ice move is the long range, narrow breath—just spam roll to the side as soon as you see the tell. The other is the AoE ice circle he makes when he flies up and aims his head downwards. Again, just spam roll out of them as soon as you see the tell. If you start spam rolling right away you'll only take a few tics of ice damage which shouldn't be life threatening.

Give your Palico the Shieldspire gadget and spam the Stooge ability on cooldown. It'll take heat off you—the less time blocking the more time spamming Pierce.

Keep the wings tenderized. For some reason clutching to the wings and tenderizing them will also tenderize the chest. And the chest is your target. Spam the chest nonstop preferably from the rear or front because you'll get the most Pierce damage tics that way. Wall bang him at the very start with Rocksteady Mantle by clutching to his head ASAP before he moves after the roar and spinning him twice (only works if you're doing the normal, non-special assignment quests).

I've gotten a horn break 3/4 of my kills. Give your Palico the Master rank Radobaan weapon as it has Sleep element on it. I kid you not, something about the timing of this fight is just perfect for this cause 3/4 times that he has entered into Dragon element mode and you can break the horns, my Palico has procced the sleep. Once Alatreaon sleeps, drop 2 mega barrel bombs at his head and Wyvernfire the horns to wake him up and detonate the bombs. Horn break every time.

I've only ever used longsword in this series, so I'd have to look into bowgun and learn it I guess.

[Ember]

You don't need any bowguns to clear alatreon. You can do it just fine with melee weapons.

Most of the difficulties people have is because they are not being aggressive enough. You have 6 minutes to do a single topple. That's more than enough time. Don't forget to heal during escaton, bring jerkies/sushifish scales or max potions and time them correctly.

You're already running an ice weapon. Keep it. It's the best element for the special assignments. Hit either his Arms or Legs to get the topple, they take the most elemental damage out of the other parts. Break his horns in Dragon mode, you'll know when he is there by either the NPCs dialogue or Alatreon himself.

Ice Attack helps with the topple, but it's not required to get it. That's how easy it is.

You gotta practice Foresight Slash against most of his moves if you want to do great in the fight as well. Or work on your positioning. The spots i mentioned are a great start.

[DOY]

Eat for elemental resistance (L). Some evade window generally helps on dodging his move set and 1 level of evade extender can help with dodging the AOE ground lighting and fire blasts. If you cannot aim for the head consistently go for the forelegs.

Consider maxing out the associated elemental attack Alatreon is weak against in his first phase. I would recommend Kjarr weapons over safi weapons due to higher elemental damage and critical element.

[Corey]

Originally posted by Fun:

You don't need any bowguns to clear alatreon. You can do it just fine with melee weapons.

Most of the difficulties people have is because they are not being aggressive enough. You have 6 minutes to do a single topple. That's more than enough time. Don't forget to heal during escaton, bring jerkies/sushifish scales or max potions and time them correctly.

You're already running an ice weapon. Keep it. It's the best element for the special assignments. Hit either his Arms or Legs to get the topple, they take the most elemental damage out of the other parts. Break his horns in Dragon mode, you'll know when he is there by either the NPCs dialogue or Alatreon himself.

Ice Attack helps with the topple, but it's not required to get it. That's how easy it is.

You gotta practice Foresight Slash against most of his moves if you want to do great in the fight as well. Or work on your positioning. The spots i mentioned are a great start.

Problem I have with foresight in this fight is he loves flying up and fireballing my face after most of the attacks I successfully foresight, it's very frustrating.

[Ember]

You mean the backstep with the fireball? You are not supposed to use it there.

Learning when to use it will benefit you a lot. Not only in this fight, but in the whole game. Sometimes positioning is more important than countering.

[sor]

In my experience, if you struggle with a fight and your build is decent - damage is ok, health boost 3, at least 3 lvls of evade window (although LS is capable of dodging even without them just fine),it could only mean one thing, he is slapping you just because you're not familiar with his attacks, good thing is- alatreon has a ton of really good openings. So u just gotta learn his attacks and adapt accordingly. Long Sword is all about counters, so just go on a quest and run around trying to dodge his attacks and observe, also consider watching some alatreon speed runs with LS, this is a great way to learn where to stand to do a helmbreaker, when to sharpen your weapon etc.
So good luck and happy hunting !
(And if you need any help or just wanna hunt together, feel free to add me )

[Andy_RK]

if you're soloing him and he is flying, try using smoke bomb and hide inside it. If the arrow in your minimap turn to purple color long enough, he will descend. Do not use megapot, use max pot+ancient pot instead and bring their ingredients, you'll need to craft during the battle so make a shortcut on your radial menu. Don't forget to tenderize the front leg, it may seems useless but it actually helps a lot. Farm whetfish fin+ from the event quest (i forgot the name) and use it instead of whetstone. The quest is all about optimizing uptime, any second that can be used to attack is important

[gpolg]

the way i read it you have a survival problem first and as others said
evade window makes huge difference in this fight
and learn to keep down because he chains things, while you re down you re invulnerable


i find that shieldspire helps immensely too, alatreon charges towards the dummy like a dummy and you can dps in peace.
its worth leveling it at least 10+ wont take more than 2 hours.


also eat for safeguard if you can. it gives you one more cart.
if you dont have the ingredients you should do few quests in research base, and spend some time to gather them.


bonus tip: dont bother with horns unless you can easily topple him / or have toppled him already, its ok to die to an eschaton or 2 from having the wrong element one or two times because you failed to break the horns, but you really dont want to die for doing crazy stuff to break his horns.


eg if you dont break his horns ever, you ll drop every second eschaton so 1 or 2 times max before clearing. after two eschatons you may be low on consumables anyway so dying is not a huge deal.
horns are not worth any risks,

[Ember]

Originally posted by gpolig:

I don't know what you meant by crazy stuff breaking the horns. Their health is extremely low to the point that one player can break it in a 4 man party easily before alatreon even attempts to fly. He has a lot of openings for you to hit his head.

You absolutely want to break his horns if you want your weapon to be useful. What is the point of bringing the right element to the fight then if you are going to ignore his horns? Or are you suggesting OP to ignore the mechanics and go with raw? Such suicidal runs shouldn't be recommended to anyone. I would understand if OP was playing HBG or LBG, but this is ridiculous. LS doesn't need to go that route. It's one of the best matchups against him.

Alatreon should die after his 3rd escaton anyway. if you are taking more than that to kill him, something is wrong. Because that equals to 20+ minutes.

Tl;dr there is no risk breaking the horns in dragon mode, he has way too many openings for you to hit his head. Just gotta learn them.


To OP, if you are still having a hard time with the topple, consider FrostFang Barioth's weapons. They are pretty good against alatreon. I would say even better than Kjarr on LS.

[gpolg]

Originally posted by Fun:

Originally posted by gpolig:

I don't know what you meant by crazy stuff breaking the horns. Their health is extremely low to the point that one player can break it in a 4 man party easily before alatreon even attempts to fly. He has a lot of openings for you to hit his head.

idk about 4 man i only play solo and ive soloed alatreon multiple times. and i talk from solo perspective. and honestly i thought he is refering to solo clear as well.

crazy stuff means dont do reckless stuff that may cause a cart trying to break horns.


i can clear alatreon easily with 0 horn breaks,and it only means you gonna eat 1 or 2 carts from every 2nd second eschaton depending on your dps.

dying before eschaton is pretty much disastrous anyway unless you have toppled him already, and makes it quite likely to miss the topple too


as for weapons idk about LS specific but generally critical element from Kjaar weapons puts it miles ahead from Barioth.
my first clears were with Frostfang Barioth and its certainly doable, but Kjaar makes toppling much easier, and anyone who wants to try to solo Alatreon is also able to solo Kulve, or he should be,

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oh yeah and i checked safi longsword and if it has low ice dmg you need a different weapon too. you need high elemental damage. basically kjaar or frostfang barioth.

[Roshambo]

Go to the Guiding lands and fight a couple tempered monsters. It will enable you to unlock further armor upgrades which should give you at least another 100 defense on your set. In general, I would aim for 1000+ Def to fight end game monsters. 1100 would be optimal if you are having a hard time. For Alatreon, 20+ elemental defense is ideal and/or slot the gem that makes you immune to blights.

[Ember]

Originally posted by gpolig:

You completely missed the point. It means it will be even easier solo. One helmbreaker should be enough to break his head. Heck, you might not even need one. There is no risk considering how many openings he has. Reckless would be trying to break them without waiting for a single opening. There is no need to rush since their health is low as hell. You don't even need partbreaker. Speedruns also prove my point, if you are willing to watch.

Good on you if you are succeding on suicidal runs against alatreon, but you shouldn't recommend that to OP. No one likes to cart. Not to mention, you can clear the quest without doing so. Don't ignore the mechanics.

Frostfang has the advantage in the fight with LS since it does more damage than Stream in my experience. Not to mention the excelent sharpness. Kjarr stream isn't bad but i would recommend Adularia Edge anytime. Especially since it's a craftable option. No lottery involved. It's more than doable.

Other weapons though, with the exception of IG iirc, go with Kjarr or Safi.

Eventually, OP will be able to recognize the openings he has and not die before escaton. So there is no need to worry.

[Kawalorn]

Do you have MR100 and augmented armor? Because if not, you should get that.

[gpolg]

Originally posted by Fun:

Originally posted by gpolig:

Speedruns also prove my point, if you are willing to watch.



Good on you if you are succeding on suicidal runs against alatreon, but you shouldn't recommend that to OP. No one likes to cart. Not to mention, you can clear the quest without doing so. Don't ignore the mechanics.

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I guess i was out of luck because that was my reference speedrun :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rmGHqojbbo


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jokes aside OP says hes dying a lot, so hes either undergeared or he does mistakes somewhere.


i can break horns mostly, but i know its of 2nd priority when you try to learn the fight esp if you struggle to do enough damage to topple him, and its not a huge deal if you dont manage to break them solo.


but seeing OP has only 100 hrs hes probably somewhat undergeared, and probably not trying to solo anyway.