Behemoth Tips for New Players

[J.M.]

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Edit:

In the following discussion you will see a user named Deathy. Please ignore him. Here are some of the "facts" that are listed by him. I will list them there so you don't have to read through all the discussion.

A few “facts” that are listed by @Deathy:

1) Health regen augment should not be recommended.

2) Mind’s eye should not be recommended to melee weapon.

3) 100% crit = mind’s eye.

4) You can get away with deflection through increasing your crit and damage.

5) The above one is well known and it was out there before PC was released.

6) If by any means, your weapon has natural mind’s eye, you are not supposed to use mind’s eye.

7) Flinch free can be used to neutral the effect of weapon bounce from deflection.

The above is NOT my recommendation. He's argument about crit and deflection is WRONG. If you want to learn about how deflection is related with sharpness, please read this https://monsterhunterworld.wiki.fextralife.com/Weapon+Mechanics

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Note: This is written only for new players. Speed runners and experienced hunters please ignore this.

I've hunted around 300 behemoth and most of the time I joined others' SOS. I'm used to play with new players and it seems that some of them don't know what to do with behe, sp here are a few tips for normal Behemoth, not the extreme Behemoth.

1. First of all, behe is one of the most difficult monsters to fight in MHW so it is okay to fail for days or even weeks. Don't be upset if you can't beat it. We've all been through this.

2. Get enough items. This includes 2 max potions, 1 ancient potion, 10 mega healing potions, 10 healing potions, 5 astera jerky, 1 to 2 demon drug, 1 to 2 armor skin drug, 3 flash pods, 10 flashbugs, 1 to 2 cool drinks, 5 dash juice if you play bow, rations, power charm, power talon, armor charm, and armor talon.

3. Get comfortable with using short cuts to craft flash pods in fight.

4. Upgrade your armor to a level so that none of behe's moves can one shot you, except ecliptic, at full health. I would recommend 430 to 450.

5. Get health boost 3 in your armor. You will appreciate it when you get hit in combo.

6. Get health regen augment for melee weapons.

7. For melee weapons, I strongly recommend mind eye. If you don't have mind eye, try to hit the soft parts only. Avoid to hit the body and the horn as much as possible and focus on the claws and the tail.

8. Don't attack the head if you are not tanking. Don't use dragon pod if you are not tanking. Whoever land the fifth dragon pod hit will get behe's aggro.

9. When you are laying down on the ground (not being captured), you are invincible. Don't get up right away. Watch behe's moves and get up when it's safe to do so. Some players don't know how to stay laying down. The tip is, don't do anything, and you will not get up.

10. Put flash pods in your slinger all the time, just in case that you are captured. By capture I mean you are laying on the ground but you cannot get up. Behe has 3 moves that can capture you. These three moves are: 1) behe stands on his rear feet and strikes down with its whole body; 2) behe stands on his rear feet and strikes down with its left hand, followed with a line of explosion (the explosion does not result in capture) in the direction of its hand; 3) behe charges to you with its horns (this move is exclusive in the third area). If you get hit directly by any of the above three moves, you will be captured on the ground. However, you can still use flash pods when you are down. Flash behe to stay safe if you are captured.

11. Following the above, if you get hit by the third move in the third area, flash as soon as possible. You will get behe's aggro if you do nothing.

12. If you want to tank, definitely bring guard up with you. I've run into teams where the tank didn't even have guard up. Without guard up, you cannot block every attack, so bring it.

13. If you decide to stay out of the combat, STAY OUT OF THE COMBAT! Don't even get close to the fighting area. Don't stand in the entrance of the area. Sit in the camp or at the table and don't move. This quest may fail just because you want to watch how your teammates fight but don't want to get involved. Behe will attack you even if you think you are safe. Also, you won't have time to hide behind the rocks during ecliptic. So stay in the camp if you want others to carry you.

14. Following the above one, if you've decided to go near or into the area, then fight and don't run around doing nothing. The more you run, the more behe chases you, and the more your team has to chase behe. It's a waste of time chasing around.

15. If someone in your team is experienced and asks you to do or not to do something, follow them. They do that for a reason. I usually ask my teammates to flash at the end of charging for tornado because I play LS and I need to do damage when behe is casting the tornado.

16. When behe is not casting ecliptic, don't hide behind the rock. If behe destroys all rocks before ecliptic, you are dead.

17. When your teammate is tanking, don't flash, unless you are captured and you will faint if behe hits you. However, if someone accidentally draw behe's attention, flash to help them out.

18. During ecliptic, don't hide behind rocks where behe is standing or will land his body. You may get knocked out by behe then faint.

19. There are two route behe will take after the second area. If you can't break any part, behe will go to the volcanic area. If you can, behe will go to nergi's home. In the volcanic area, you may get hit by the volcano explosion and faint to ecliptic in the last area, so I strongly recommend you to break at least one part in the first two areas. There are two easy ways that I recommend. The first way is to use light bow gun's slice ammo to cut the tail. The second way is to put behe into sleep and have everyone in your team to bomb its horns.

The above is some general tips that I can think of. I can't think of any weapon-specific tips as I only used LS in behe hunt. Feel free to add to this. I hope this could help new players to get through behe and get ready for iceborne.

[Deathy]

Originally posted by Virgil▓▒◙:

Originally posted by Deathy:

C'mon You wanna talk big, make a damn video , shouldn't be hard inthis day and age, OBS, shadow play, Liveplay, All graphic cards cna stream and record, record your game play and prove wrong, all I see is you misleading people that leads to more mess up information that I had to figure out when I was starting.


Oh and i'm sorry pointing out that y'all can't get a name right speak highly how well you even can read and write.

You clearly don't know what Archaic words are. Wish show you need to learn some stuff before you speak.

Cite. Your. Sources.

You're the one making big claims with no corroboration. The only proof you posted is a video that proves you wrong. You spammed demon dance and the spin atttack, which both have natural mind's eye for all hits except the last few in the case of demon dance, which is why you deflected a couple times. It was not because you have 100% crit. It was not because you're hitting with elemental weakness. It is not because of your damage.

Show me a video of you using IG's ground combo on behemoth's hardest hitzone without mind's eye, with crits. I bet you'll deflect. Constantly. But according to you, it shouldn't be a problem as long as you're critting and hitting hard enough.

you clearly saw a bounce on DD , which prove that no neutral ME ffs, are you that dumb? and IG has to be dancing in the Air not on the damn ground.That what IG good good, Dancing in the Air, not the damn ground. But fine i'll go craft IG and prove you wrong , and I didn't evne had 100% crit, you didn't watch the video which proves you aren't smart.

2nd I didn't do a spin? You have to launch from the Air or jump off a Cliff to get the Spin. You clearly don't know the ability you talk about. I did no lung adn rotation slashes with LL and DD combos. Where I did a single Spin from on top the boss? geesh your not using brain cells.

[Thighs & Glasses]

I actually really, really need to get this fight down. caught between not being used to the meteors when I tank and people being completely freaking useless when I try to dps(because even the GL has no idea he needs to get aggro)

[Deathy]

OMG look you hear the Deflect sound and I still hit when crit, It like I said, I wasn't beingdeflected all the time?!?! OMG damn y'all don't know what you're talking about, I have no IG style, jsut crafted and BAM made it, it's like I said this whole Mind eye is BS, and not needed, and Again when IG are flying they ignore deflection as it coded for them.

https://youtu.be/IqihB5k10Ro


You clearly don't know what your talking about when I could hit the stomach just fine with pretty much no Deflection problems.


Here i'll be kind enough to help with how bouncing and damage words


If you know what you're doing you CAN IGNORE MIND EYE completely 0 I never touch IG and clearly bouncing wasn't a problem, and when you do air attack ig ignore any the factors above, But I don't know how to do the air dance thing cause you said do ground combos, did , if anything you cakn use knockback thing to negate any knockback from whatever knockback you might get that would put you on the ground, I don't have enough Deco to show that, but ofc i'm waiting for you so call "pros" prove me wrong , I made you a video, and wasted some my mats just to craft a Glave for you. C'mon whre in the game can you see these "inherted" ability ? Where you get this information

All you have to really do pass the "25" def check and it won't bounce, and Bounce literally doesn't hurt that much as you can roll out of it and go back into combos.

I might not have every item, but so call pros like yourself must have tons of resrouce and weapons to prove me wrong.

DB can fail that 25 def check as often also if they have more hit zone, which is why some DB aren't even touch in bigger boss fights, cause they can deflect, but if you push your damage modifer pass the 25 mark, you don't bounce and keep doing your marry ol thing.

I have been 'deflected' in Demon dance countless times on some bosses, and use I had Dec claws as my 1st max item cause it was easy to get it mats, But I learn overtime using their weakness I fail less and didn't bounce as much. So no New player need be forced to do what you want them and some the advice you literally told was complete BS as I've stated.

You want to only go on about this 1 thing? It shows YOU don't know everything and shouldn't be handing out advice. You can't even put yourself out there and help anyone or make a video , which again - in this day and age, all graphic cards support their own encoder to record with free, and then programs like OBS.

Reason why you won't do it - cause you know it'll expose if your using any mods or have items that shouldn't and can't even do what you claim, you've solo Beh , I can find tons of people doing it on YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpVbGwyFERU

you can use stuff like flinch free, and knockback to negate deflection issues and not use mind eye.

Pretty sure if they can do Ex solo over year ago, you should have no problem doing it now with that big fancy 300+ kill count

Heck look at their build, nothing about mind eye on them, if anything they're avoiding the flinches.

Or this GS build, again no mind eye, they use the crit strat -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivh4zZedMpY

[Kuradoberry]

No one show this thread comment chain to Jinjinx, he'll blow a gasket.

[DJLuffy]

@Deathy

Right, so I read up on the discussion and am relatively caught up on what's going on right now. So, I'm not what you'd consider a pro, but still someone with experience as I have roughly 1200 hours game time, ignore the 1338 or so on my profile.

Anyway, what these knowledgeable people are trying to tell you is that weapons such as Dual Blades' Demon Dance in Arch/demon mode and its Right Click/Alternate attack in Arch/demon mode, Great Sword's TCS, Hammer's Lv3 Charged Slam attack, IG Flying (Not Sure, haven't specifically checked or recall), etc. all have something called innate Mind's Eye. This means that without the skill, these weapons and their specific attacks has an effect applied. For example, let's say I'm fighting Nergigante and his spikes are hardened. If I hit with a normal GS attack, I'll bounce off, because Nergi's Black Spikes become an insta-deflect zone. However, if I charge up a True Charge Slash, the entire attack will negate the deflection in general with its Innate Mind's Eye.

I've hunted Behemoth roughly 130 times, with maybe 300-400+ attempts. I can say confidently that without mind's eye, *most* of our attacks on Behemoth's chest will almost immediately bounce off, barring attacks like the Ranged Weaponry and Gunlance Shells.

Another example of the Innate Mind's Eye will be your weapon of choice, the Dual Blades. When in Archdemon Mode, your main attacks, aka your Demon Dance and that Bootleg Dunkey Spin Move, that will hit even if the monster was made of steel and the hitboxes would deflect 100% of the time, or Behemoth's STRONK chest, you'll hit them no matter what. If you take your Dual Blades and try to hit Behemoth's chest, in archdemon mode, with a normal attack such as a left click, you're going to completely be deflected.

(Sorry was editing a bunch, I just noticed like 10 mistakes I said.)

[DJLuffy]

Originally posted by Deathy:

OMG look you hear the Deflect sound and I still hit when crit, It like I said, I wasn't beingdeflected all the time?!?! OMG damn y'all don't know what you're talking about, I have no IG style, jsut crafted and BAM made it, it's like I said this whole Mind eye is BS, and not needed, and Again when IG are flying they ignore deflection as it coded for them.

https://youtu.be/IqihB5k10Ro

I'd also like to bring up the time stamp of 1:55-2:02, you attacked several times, and during this period, you had 5 deflected hits on its chest and 2-3 confirmed hits, but those made contact with the meaty biceps. Deflection doesn't mean complete damage nullification, it means your weapon will bounce and you'd be knock'd back quite a bit, such as hitting Nergigante's Black Spikes and having my Greatsword DEFLECT off the spikes and bounce back up into the air.

[Deathy]

Originally posted by ☠ DJ Luffy ☠™:

@Deathy

Right, so I read up on the discussion and am relatively caught up on what's going on right now. So, I'm not what you'd consider a pro, but still someone with experience as I have roughly 1200 hours game time, ignore the 1338 or so on my profile.

Anyway, what these knowledgeable people are trying to tell you is that weapons such as Dual Blades' Demon Dance in Arch/demon mode and its Right Click/Alternate attack in Arch/demon mode, Great Sword's TCS, Hammer's Lv3 Charged Slam attack, IG Flying (Not Sure, haven't specifically checked or recall), etc. all have something called innate Mind's Eye. This means that without the skill, these weapons and their specific attacks has an effect applied. For example, let's say I'm fighting Nergigante and his spikes are hardened. If I hit with a normal GS attack, I'll bounce off, because Nergi's Black Spikes become an insta-deflect zone. However, if I charge up a True Charge Slash, the entire attack will negate the deflection in general with its Innate Mind's Eye.

I've hunted Behemoth roughly 130 times, with maybe 300-400+ attempts. I can say confidently that without mind's eye, *most* of our attacks on Behemoth's chest will almost immediately bounce off, barring attacks like the Ranged Weaponry and Gunlance Shells.

Another example of the Innate Mind's Eye will be your weapon of choice, the Dual Blades. When in Archdemon Mode, your main attacks, aka your Demon Dance and that Bootleg Dunkey Spin Move, that will hit even if the monster was made of steel and the hitboxes would deflect 100% of the time, or Behemoth's STRONK chest, you'll hit them no matter what. If you take your Dual Blades and try to hit Behemoth's chest, in archdemon mode, with a normal attack such as a left click, you're going to completely be deflected.

(Sorry was editing a bunch, I just noticed like 10 mistakes I said.)

Dude Demon Dance and the Rotation Lunge can be deflected , infact you can see this very strongly with Diablo 2 DB even in Demon mode you normally don't wanna attack the horns with DB as You will bounce off those Allot more thenyou think , I know cause i spent nearly 4 hours grinding Beh for the damn horns , it was easier once I use broke the horns, but before I was bounce off that. So no Demon Dance and Arch dmeon Doens't make u immune to deflects,


Again I don't have issues with deflects even in Archdemon mode, but a good DB doesn't want to be in Archdemon unless it to recharge their stam. Even new player start playing DB will learn Demon mode is our best DPS output and only attack in Demon mode.

Attacking the horns on Beh bad ideal for demon and arch demon mode, but everywhere else you will hardly ever bounce, Again I know from countless farming hours for my Drac armor.

I can find tons of "solo" runs where they don't even use Mind eye, they'll rock Earplugs and flinchfree over mind eye as they have more use and would be something you might actually build into as a new player over mind eye - not to mention how annoying it is to fight rath adn etc for all their mats. If this guide want to be for noobs, don't go for the best, pick things that will be open to them as when the quest is.

It's been debunked countless time that Demon and Arch Demon doesn't stop the deflection , if anything it how the attack are combo hit at once and use a slight alter verson of the 25 Def that single hit would use, as you need do 2-4 atk for 1 DB atk so instead it uses 20 def for DB for each hitto pass a check, this is why DB can abuse the hell out of crit unlike any other class andbe Raw or Elemental build for DPS. You can try it yourself, and I like how you're beinghumble with your hours, and admiting hours isn't everything , but even so, someone who sunk hours in a game won't know everything even some the information that been "solid" over the years always have flaws and people say well there are "Expections" to the rule for X and X which proves it's not 100% correct.

OFC Capcom could just give the proper stuff but then everyone would know the perfect 'meta' builds outside the small different type of builds that ARE out there that are saying they'rethe best for X.

Again this guide is a completely joke and isn't aim at all for new players even on Normal Beh, as you can do normal Beh only once, after the story you never cando normal Beh again, only 9* unless someone post low tier , and I can tell you for 10000% if youdo the same test on Low vs high on any monster with the same weapon , you'll find their Def is allot lower. But as you go up to Temper and AT,their Def value become harder to pass without setting yourbuildproperly, you can literally increase your attack and lower it and test it onthe same monster and see this in full affect. Which is why most speed runner since they wanna bring those up, increase attack and damage modifier and use some attack that have the damage boost more till they can do the upgrade they want a fresh character run.

It's not hard to mention all the proper things andgive real advice andother things and not say "get X" and "use X"

I've pointed out more things andthen they wanted to focus on the mind eye BS which again doesn't need to be the damn focus, but the way the guide has so manygaps if it suppsoeto be "generalized" for all character/weapons and give better advice that new player SHOULD know.

For Example There can only be max of 5 Winds up , if you find perfect placement for them, You can forgo the flash unless you need clear the room or won't have time to place them somewhere safe.

doesn't talk about the 4 phases that need be aware of.

The fact Beh will also Metor before Epic if Beh hasn't yet.

if your rangetanking or melee tanking tips.

How Emity removes all WW , or it take 5 dragon pods to get agro, and etc. Real important things that new player should know. Not things like "sit in camp" Or get 1 armor that they'll most likely not want to grind at the start of their mid gamebeing only rank 14^ Maybe around 30+ but a new player is going say "i'm rank 14 and it was given to me so clearly I can do it now" even though you really shouldn't do it as soon you get out of low tier gear. People will again if THEY ARE NEW.

They clearly wish to act like hounds and try push on something when there more important stuff that should be going over, and the fact I can do what I do easily proves how much full of bull they are and can't even make proper guide.

I use to make Guides, I would have to cover my high end character and character that would be fresh out of spawn in the past when I made quest guide for websites. I would cover whereto get EVERY item if they didn't have it, even if it was like piece of Garlic, I would explore that area on a new account to make sure that it could get it just for the guide.

There is So much information that can be Given to new player that is more vital then what was given as few I pointed out and how they stated things WAY wrong like the metor BS.

[J.M.]

@Deathy

Here you go. I just ran a solo behe. I'm not experts like the ones you posted and this was not my best run. I fainted in the third phase and made lots of big mistakes in the last phase, but I think it is enough to prove that I have the experience. Youtube is still trying to upload this video so you need to wait for some time.
https://youtu.be/15UR-EpW-x8
You can see how mind eye works in the last bit of the video. At the end when I was fighting behe, I'd be dead if I didn't wear evasion mantle because my attacks bounced on behe's chest. Also when I was using LS, you can see how many times I hit the chest then use foresight slash. This is not possible without mind eye. This is enough to emphasize the importance of mind eye.

Of course you can say that experts don't need mind eye, but do you even remember who I wrote this for? I wrote this for those who are new to behe. You are expecting them to fight like the experts who tried hundreds of times for just one successful run? And why would you even bother to post the HBG video? We are talking about melee here.

That's not the most important thing. Why in the heck did you think you can get away with deflection with high crit and damage? Watch the last bit of my video and you will see that this is not true.

About IG. EVEN EXPERTS USE MIND EYE!!! Watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfaorEmwnho
And do you see him flying around? No he doesn't. He is on the ground for most of the time and ground moves do not have innate mind eye. That's why mind eye is so important for melee weapons for beginners. As you said, you don't need mind eye if you know what you are doing.

Originally posted by Deathy:

If you know what you're doing you CAN IGNORE MIND EYE

But mind eye can make your hunt even better. Why would you not recommend it if it can make everything better?

And the flinch free stuff you mentioned?

Originally posted by Deathy:

you can use stuff like flinch free, and knockback to negate deflection issues and not use mind eye.

How about you post a video on how flinch free can deal with the knock back from deflection? This is BS and is not true at all.

My suggestion to you is to stop arguing. The more you argue, the more ignorance you are showing. So for your own good, stop talking.

[DJLuffy]

Originally posted by Deathy:

Dude Demon Dance and the Rotation Lunge can be deflected , infact you can see this very strongly with Diablo 2 DB even in Demon mode you normally don't wanna attack the horns with DB as You will bounce off those Allot more thenyou think , I know cause i spent nearly 4 hours grinding Beh for the damn horns , it was easier once I use broke the horns, but before I was bounce off that. So no Demon Dance and Arch dmeon Doens't make u immune to deflects

Demon Dance cannot be deflected except for the very last hits of the Demon Dance while in the charged up naruto running mode, aka Archdemon Mode. The very same thing with the Beyblade move in that same mode. Hell, I think the beyblade mode has mind's eye no matter the current mode you're in with the Dual Blades. I haven't done extensive testing on the Dual Blades specifically, but that's for sure something I've seen and experienced, and can confirm that it happens.

EDIT: Pardon me, I didn't even realize that Demon Mode was actually naruto run, Archdemon mode is after, my bad!

[Mergander]

After reading the entire thing, I can summarize the entire discussion as Deathy engaging in extreme "I want to be mad.". You are the entire circus, and I wish nothing but the best for you in the future, albeit how much you'll require to learn and relearn.

Though, your ability to contradict yourself, discover new means to show your ire, and grammar shows how infinite your wisdom in guiding others is.

I would like to see one of your guides, however. I am rather new to the game.

[DJLuffy]

Originally posted by Non:

Dude you can easily proof your word by using "Crit Draw" skill.

This way, you'll have 100% crit no matter where you hit. Then go hit some hard stuff with something like Green or Blue sharpness weapons.
If your weapon still deflecting then just realize that you might be wrong.

But don't bother because I just spent 10 mins did it for you.

https://youtu.be/ok0k_rGOxjA

Myth: Busted.

[Deathy]

Originally posted by C I .:

After reading the entire thing, I can summarize the entire discussion as Deathy engaging in extreme "I want to be mad.". You are the entire circus, and I wish nothing but the best for you in the future, albeit how much you'll require to learn and relearn.

Though, your ability to contradict yourself, discover new means to show your ire, and grammar shows how infinite your wisdom in guiding others is.

I would like to see one of your guides, however. I am rather new to the game.

Grammar doesn't mean anything when you have dyslexia - doesn't matter what you say, You think Grammar make someone smart? Cool Let see how many high power "intelligent" people who run stuff around the world, yet you're also the same person to complain when the present does something most likely you don't approve cause you know what its really like vs what they think? Right. It show your Ire with how you assume someone mad over the fact I look at this and literally pushed real things and they think it cute to act like they are.

Originally posted by ☠ DJ Luffy ☠™:

Demon Dance cannot be deflected except for the very last hits of the Demon Dance while in the charged up naruto running mode, aka Archdemon Mode. The very same thing with the Beyblade move in that same mode. Hell, I think the beyblade mode has mind's eye no matter the current mode you're in with the Dual Blades. I haven't done extensive testing on the Dual Blades specifically, but that's for sure something I've seen and experienced, and can confirm that it happens.

EDIT: Pardon me, I didn't even realize that Demon Mode was actually naruto run, Archdemon mode is after, my bad!

You clearly never play DB if you think they never get deflected, I been again DEFLECTED countless time inthe past doing DD , and literally that in middle of the whole attack when i got deflected, not near the end, Whenyou get near the end you so doing side swpes not spies in the center, as the final part of DD is when you do a Spin. Literally That the Start of DD when i got deflected. DD end when you do a "kick flip" like spin. Go see yourself

Originally posted by SuckSmurfing:

@Deathy

Here you go. I just ran a solo behe. I'm not experts like the ones you posted and this was not my best run. I fainted in the third phase and made lots of big mistakes in the last phase, but I think it is enough to prove that I have the experience. Youtube is still trying to upload this video so you need to wait for some time.
https://youtu.be/15UR-EpW-x8
You can see how mind eye works in the last bit of the video. At the end when I was fighting behe, I'd be dead if I didn't wear evasion mantle because my attacks bounced on behe's chest. Also when I was using LS, you can see how many times I hit the chest then use foresight slash. This is not possible without mind eye. This is enough to emphasize the importance of mind eye.

Of course you can say that experts don't need mind eye, but do you even remember who I wrote this for? I wrote this for those who are new to behe. You are expecting them to fight like the experts who tried hundreds of times for just one successful run? And why would you even bother to post the HBG video? We are talking about melee here.

That's not the most important thing. Why in the heck did you think you can get away with deflection with high crit and damage? Watch the last bit of my video and you will see that this is not true.

About IG. EVEN EXPERTS USE MIND EYE!!! Watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfaorEmwnho
And do you see him flying around? No he doesn't. He is on the ground for most of the time and ground moves do not have innate mind eye. That's why mind eye is so important for melee weapons for beginners. As you said, you don't need mind eye if you know what you are doing.

Originally posted by Deathy:

If you know what you're doing you CAN IGNORE MIND EYE

But mind eye can make your hunt even better. Why would you not recommend it if it can make everything better?

And the flinch free stuff you mentioned?

Originally posted by Deathy:

you can use stuff like flinch free, and knockback to negate deflection issues and not use mind eye.

How about you post a video on how flinch free can deal with the knock back from deflection? This is BS and is not true at all.

My suggestion to you is to stop arguing. The more you argue, the more ignorance you are showing. So for your own good, stop talking.

Say the person who literally posted bad Advice? No it show how ignorance is behold you. And "the mantle saved you" Ok? Cool the Mantle doing it job, but it has nothing to do with the builds. Also what about my "IG" I was hitting the stomach and wasn't gettingdeflected all the time, I have no mind eye or anything like that. Maybe you need read up what Deflection actually does?

Wait what that? You can't admit there OTHER WAYS TO STOP the knockback and flinching as OTHER ways, , OI look at that, You makea guide demand people to get mind eye, when you clearly DONT NEED IT for EVERY DAMN BUILD, You can even stop deflect with knockback and flinch free stuff Depending on your build. Like OMG, You can ignore it and use other stuff, WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED - clearly ME who stated You don't need Mind Eye, and you can bypass it with Crit builds , as I posted in speed runs thatdon't evne use it and use flinch free's.

Originally posted by ☠ DJ Luffy ☠™:

I'd also like to bring up the time stamp of 1:55-2:02, you attacked several times, and during this period, you had 5 deflected hits on its chest and 2-3 confirmed hits, but those made contact with the meaty biceps. Deflection doesn't mean complete damage nullification, it means your weapon will bounce and you'd be knock'd back quite a bit, such as hitting Nergigante's Black Spikes and having my Greatsword DEFLECT off the spikes and bounce back up into the air.

Again it proves still it's not 100% Deflection as Y'all claim. Clearly Something there is truth even if you refute.

that I would "always bounce" But I clearly Didn't. Even you admited. But again IG is suppsoe to attack in the Air , not be on the ground which again ignores the deflection as you can't be flinched or deflected in the air, Now you could be Roar out the Air, but You'll never do it from Deflection.

I did what you asked and proved it still hit and you changed what you wanted to say? Cute. You prove you don't help players really and you don't look at all the options only what YOU have. I went out my way and Crafted just for the proof of not always being Deflected which you even said 2/3 times, if I hit with my RM I didn't deflected as much , but when I just LM it did deflect, so there obv something in where you put yourself for combos. But Ididn't flinch and get knockover all the time which proved y'all wrong with saying I would. Didn't even have White but blue as proof also.

[J.M.]

Read before you speak. I did not say flinch free can deal with the bouncing issue, that's what you said and I think it is ridiculous and it is wrong.

Your IG? You are doing it the wrong way. You are not supposed to attack the belly. You are suppose to attack the front claws for maximum damage, and when you attack the front claw, you will occasionally hit the chest, and you will bounce without mind eye, then you may faint. And stop the BS about flying around. If you want to maximize the damage, don't fly.

[Mergander]

I knew the reply would prove me right, but not this agonizing amount of arrogance.

Ignorance?

Both.

[DJLuffy]

Originally posted by Deathy:

I did what you asked and proved it still hit and you changed what you wanted to say? Cute. You prove you don't help players really and you don't look at all the options only what YOU have. I went out my way and Crafted just for the proof of not always being Deflected which you even said 2/3 times, if I hit with my RM I didn't deflected as much , but when I just LM it did deflect, so there obv something in where you put yourself for combos. But Ididn't flinch and get knockover all the time which proved y'all wrong with saying I would. Didn't even have White but blue as proof also.

The reason why I stated the hits that you were able to connect was because they were in the time frame I included and was saying that just to include it so you wouldn't say something about it, but you did. The reason why I mentioned the 2-3 hits you were able to hit? It's because you hit the Arm, NOT the chest, which is the deflect area. We're not talking about Behemoth and his hitboxes, we're talking Behemoth and his SPECIFIC, DEFLECT hitbox, aka his ENTIRE UPPER TORSO. Please review the footage and notice that you hit the ARM, and since you hit the arm, the game didn't count you hitting the chest right after.

EDIT: His Entire upper torso excluding the arms and head