Is the leshen this hard outside of the geralt scenario because its balanced for multiplayer?

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Sorry I guess this is an old topic for most people here, but I just started playing MHW about a week ago and I just go to this witcher 3 crossover stuff. I did the quest in which you play as geralt and I beat the leshen just fine. It was tough as first as I never fought it before and I had never used the sword and shield move set before (I know I could have used any weapon but I wanted to keep to using geralt's actual silver sword). I can't figure out why its now this insanely hard fighting it again in the event. I literally have master rank gear now yet it ♥♥♥♥♥ me up so hard. I'd just try again but I don't actually want to deal with the bs, the trapping, the op jagras, the bleeding, the random root attacks with no indication of direction. Basically what I want to know is; is there a big difference between the leshen here and the leshen in the geralt quest? If not then I am confused as hell, because I literally have better gear than they give you in that quest. Is it really just that its made to be fought with a party of hunters? The little tutorial message mentioned hunting it with others so maybe?

[Maffeketel]

The Ancient Leshen is always scaled to 4 players and it is meant to be fought with multiple hunters. It is possible to do it solo with master rank gear but even then the fight is a chore.
It can trap you in a root cage which requires another hunter to use the igni item to free you which means that the chances of a kart are very high if youre playing solo.

The mutagen can be obtained without actually fighting the Ancient Leshen through the elder melder or you can try to get one with the plunderblade palico gadget. If you only want the layered armor then I would recommend this option.

If you want to defeat the Ancient Leshen then your best option would be to fire an SOS flare, join someone else or you can leave your session ID here so that players on this forum can help you out.

I hope that this answers your question!

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Originally posted by Maffeketel:

The Ancient Leshen is always scaled to 4 players and it is meant to be fought with multiple hunters. It is possible to do it solo with master rank gear but even then the fight is a chore.
It can trap you in a root cage which requires another hunter to use the igni item to free you which means that the chances of a kart are very high if youre playing solo.

The mutagen can be obtained without actually fighting the Ancient Leshen through the elder melder or you can try to get one with the plunderblade palico gadget. If you only want the layered armor then I would recommend this option.

If you want to defeat the Ancient Leshen then your best option would be to fire an SOS flare, join someone else or you can leave your session ID here so that players on this forum can help you out.

I hope that this answers your question! :mhwgood:

Yes it does, but I'm still baffled as to why it should be the case. Is it meant to be a point of how badass Geralt is or something? He can solo the thing while us puny hunters have to team up.

[Shpeeno]

it's because it's an Ancient Leshen, infinitely stronger than your normal, every-day Leshen... or something. idk i didn't play the witcher games.

My guess is that when they forced multiplayer for Behemoth (where it made sense because of the mmo class mechanics) they liked it enough that they made Ancient Leshen that way too. maybe.

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I didn't even touch this event quest, the first quest was bad enough.

[Tustle]

Originally posted by Maffeketel:

It can trap you in a root cage which requires another hunter to use the igni item to free you which means that the chances of a kart are very high if youre playing solo.

A friendly Hunter can also use a Flash Pod to get you loose, you don't need the Igni. The Igni does make the fight much easier though. Or, if you have good enough Master Rank armor you can just tank the whole root cage and then heal up with a Max Potion.

[Maffeketel]

Originally posted by Shpeeno:

it's because it's an Ancient Leshen, infinitely stronger than your normal, every-day Leshen... or something. idk i didn't play the witcher games.

My guess is that when they forced multiplayer for Behemoth (where it made sense because of the mmo class mechanics) they liked it enough that they made Ancient Leshen that way too. maybe.

The ancient leshen is an unique leshen that is stronger and a lot more ancient then any regular leshen. According to the lore it is one of the oldest leshens and it stalked a village in the Witcher 3 for so long that the local clergy started revering it as a deity and there were times when the population elected to starve rather then hunt in the woods. It is fought during an unique quest chain in the Witcher 3.

The leshen that you fight as Geralt during the crossover quest is just a regular leshen and therefore much weaker. You also play as Geralt who could be considered to be much stronger then the hunters in the Monster Hunter universe due to his witcher mutations.

Altough the actual reason is probably that they wanted to create a similar experience to the behemoth like you mentioned as the behemoth was widely applauded for being a very good challenging fight. The ancient leshen is unfortunately a poorer execution of the same general idea.

[Maffeketel]

Originally posted by Tustle:

Originally posted by Maffeketel:

It can trap you in a root cage which requires another hunter to use the igni item to free you which means that the chances of a kart are very high if youre playing solo.

A friendly Hunter can also use a Flash Pod to get you loose, you don't need the Igni. The Igni does make the fight much easier though. Or, if you have good enough Master Rank armor you can just tank the whole root cage and then heal up with a Max Potion.

I had forgotten about that! The fight is such a slog that I always avoid it and on my new playthrough I went straight to the elder melder and just skipped the fight.

It was such a chore when it first came out that I didn't want to go through that again.

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I didn't realise there were two leshens, one ancient and one, not. I thought the leshen in mhw was called the "ancient" leshen each time. Just cuz I know from the witcher 3 that leshens are, by definition, always hundreds of thousands of years old, as all relict monsters are in that game world. So when I read "ancient" I thought nothing of it. Is it possible to fight the regular leshen without doing the geralt quest? Or is this simply how the leshen is outside of that?

[Maffeketel]

Originally posted by Silenthero:

I didn't realise there were two leshens, one ancient and one, not. I thought the leshen in mhw was called the "ancient" leshen each time. Just cuz I know from the witcher 3 that leshens are, by definition, always hundreds of thousands of years old, as all relict monsters are in that game world. So when I read "ancient" I thought nothing of it. Is it possible to fight the regular leshen without doing the geralt quest? Or is this simply how the leshen is outside of that?

You can't fight the regular one outside of that quest unfortunately. The quest is repeatable though, it can be found under special assignments.

The ancient leshen actually goes by a different name in The Witcher 3 but it has the exact same appearance in that game as the ancient leshen in Monster Hunter World. It is called the woodland spirit in The Witcher 3.

Here's the wiki page which contains more information about this monster in The Witcher 3 : https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Woodland_Spirit

Here's a link to the Monster Hunter version. You'll notice that it is the same creature : https://monsterhunterworld.wiki.fextralife.com/Ancient+Leshen

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Originally posted by Maffeketel:

Originally posted by Silenthero:

I didn't realise there were two leshens, one ancient and one, not. I thought the leshen in mhw was called the "ancient" leshen each time. Just cuz I know from the witcher 3 that leshens are, by definition, always hundreds of thousands of years old, as all relict monsters are in that game world. So when I read "ancient" I thought nothing of it. Is it possible to fight the regular leshen without doing the geralt quest? Or is this simply how the leshen is outside of that?

You can't fight the regular one outside of that quest unfortunately. The quest is repeatable though, it can be found under special assignments.

The ancient leshen actually goes by a different name in The Witcher 3 but it has the exact same appearance in that game as the ancient leshen in Monster Hunter World. It is called the woodland spirit in The Witcher 3.

Here's the wiki page which contains more information about this monster in The Witcher 3 : https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Woodland_Spirit

Here's a link to the Monster Hunter version. You'll notice that it is the same creature : https://monsterhunterworld.wiki.fextralife.com/Ancient+Leshen

Oh you're right I remember that quest. One of the best quests in the game actually. I didn't put 2 and 2 together. I thought the leshen here in mhw was kinda, *anime-ified* to fit better in this world.

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I'm doing this fight with randoms now and its still impossible. I thought igni was meant to get rid of the crows but it does nothing.

[Maffeketel]

Igni should be used to get people out of the wooden cages that immobilise them. Flash pods can be used to stun him out his more dangerous attacks such as his nova and they can be used to stun him multiple times in quick succession. Igni will also stun him but it is slightly less effective then a flash pod. Unlike regular monsters the Ancient Leshen does not become immune to flash pods if theyre used often.

Always make sure that someone is keeping the Jagras under control. It is also important to focus on breaking his head as that weakens his abilities permanently. Playing with randoms can be quite difficult so you can also post your session ID here so that someone on the forums can join you to help you out.

Good luck!

[Tustle]

Originally posted by Maffeketel:

Always make sure that someone is keeping the Jagras under control.

UNGA BUNGA HAMMER CREW. It is time to spin those Jagras right round babies right round like a hammer whirling right round round round.