So, Safi/Altareon and Fatalis..

[Gearwar]

Im at that point in the game. Cleared everything and literally every quest giver tells me now that I should gather hunter friends for Safi or Altareon.

I tried joining a Safi quest but it was not up it seems. I do not see the point of doing the recon again. But that fight gave me flashbacks of the Final Fantasy Behemoth fight.
Now how feasable are these quests doing it with random pugs? I remember that Behemoth was an absolute nightmare to do in a grp. I know that you could solo Behemoth but it was an absolute chore to do so and well... can anyone compare the fights?

If this is like fighting behemoth (meaning that pugging it with random ppl is basically undoable) then eh there is no point venturing forth.

Edit: I do not have 3 other MHW friends at the ready and I do not care enough to organize a grp via discord or smth. Any pug meta experiences? Is it soloable just fine or just like the behemoth?

[LUNAR.Aussie]

IMO. safi fight is just like kulve tarroth. and safi siege is cycle with kulve tarroth siege every 2 weeks. you didnt need to kill safi if u just wanna the weapons only. just search safi room with 10+ players you will kill him in no time.

[Tschaka]

for safi you have to search for a session who is doing it, he is solo scaled but its still much easier with others. Now for alatreon and fatalis they have sol scaling are the group thing is really not needed. you can solo them quite comfortable but they are a challenge. dont go in there expecting an easy fight. and they are equally hard in my experience, with or without group. but i do warn you if you go the multiplayer route, many who join sos flares for fatalis and alatreon expect to be carried because they suck. just wanted to throw that out.

[Tschaka]

♥♥♥♥ i didnt read the name
nvm i was never here

[DoEFotGS]

Safi is a siege, like KT on HR. It means global goals, breaking parts, etc.

[Kawalorn]

Safi technically is soloable but it will take forever and still will be harder than even random pug, because that monster is just not made with solo play in mind. It's moveset is not fit for that. Almost every random team I get for it is good enough to take it down.

Alatreon and Fatalis are 100% soloable like most other monsters, and I personally have better success rate alone than with random people. It will be like that for probably every person that's good enough.

[Gearwar]

I mean the behemoth was also killable solo. It was just a chore, since the fight was not designed around it. I got told by the NPCs to gather my hunter friends for altareon too.

If the solo experience is as "entertaining" as the behemoth one for either fatalis or altareon ill pass I guess.

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by Gearwar:

I mean the behemoth was also killable solo. It was just a chore, since the fight was not designed around it. I got told by the NPCs to gather my hunter friends for altareon too.

If the solo experience is as "entertaining" as the behemoth one for either fatalis or altareon ill pass I guess.

They are 1000% better than behe
Fatalis for sure
All are scaled to 1 player (not always 4p scaling like behe)
They all have one shot attacks but they are much better done (safi has rocks that won't break to hide behind , that are there way before the attack and are away from walls) , for ala you just need to deal some elemental damage and fatalis will only kill you if you are totaly out of position.
No tornado like spam attacks.
Fatalis has alot of hp , but if you use all the cannons and stuff you have on the arena he has like 30k hp less.
Also fatalis has a buffed phase , and that buff can be turned off if you break his horns twice.
Oh and if you break them twice you get evil eyes (the rarest fatalis drop) 100% of the time.

[Gearwar]

Originally posted by Lord Gwyn:

Originally posted by Gearwar:

I mean the behemoth was also killable solo. It was just a chore, since the fight was not designed around it. I got told by the NPCs to gather my hunter friends for altareon too.

If the solo experience is as "entertaining" as the behemoth one for either fatalis or altareon ill pass I guess.

They are 1000% better than behe
Fatalis for sure
All are scaled to 1 player (not always 4p scaling like behe)
They all have one shot attacks but they are much better done (safi has rocks that won't break to hide behind , that are there way before the attack and are away from walls) , for ala you just need to deal some elemental damage and fatalis will only kill you if you are totaly out of position.
No tornado like spam attacks.
Fatalis has alot of hp , but if you use all the cannons and stuff you have on the arena he has like 30k hp less.
Also fatalis has a buffed phase , and that buff can be turned off if you break his horns twice.
Oh and if you break them twice you get evil eyes (the rarest fatalis drop) 100% of the time.

Mhm ty, ill give it a try I guess.

[Juliane_L]

Alatreon and Fatalis are both scaled to 1 player and are MUCH easier solo.

[Ø]

Ignore Safi. Not worth it. You can totally solo Alatreon and Fatalis because their hp scales down, which doesn't happen for the Behemoth, they just said that because they wanted to force you into multiplayer at every chance. It's actually easier to solo these two than with randoms, just look for tips for them online.

[Ember]

Originally posted by 文化人:

Ignore Safi. Not worth it.

It's still worth it, just not as good as it was.

A few weapons can be used, and the armor is pretty good too. If one is aiming for raw weapons and is not a gunner, definitely skippable. But i'd definitely get the armor.

[AKYM |]

Originally posted by Gearwar:

Im at that point in the game. Cleared everything and literally every quest giver tells me now that I should gather hunter friends for Safi or Altareon.

I can only guess your gear progression by that one sentence.
NGL I had seen too much young life fool by the "MR 24+" and hard stuck on dieing a few nights or weeks until the RNG blessed them to have 2~3 end game hunter to carry them.

In a solo aspect you gona at least be 100+ MR unlocked everything, fully max out & aug weapon,armor and a certain level of jewels.
Without those you're extremely low allowance of making mistake, and very likely to require anywhere from "fight together" to "help" to "carry" by other 1~3 party members.
Hope you're actually unlocked every quest and be 150+

Originally posted by Gearwar:

I tried joining a Safi quest but it was not up it seems. I do not see the point of doing the recon again. But that fight gave me flashbacks of the Final Fantasy Behemoth fight.
Now how feasable are these quests doing it with random pugs? I remember that Behemoth was an absolute nightmare to do in a grp. I know that you could solo Behemoth but it was an absolute chore to do so and well... can anyone compare the fights?

If this is like fighting behemoth (meaning that pugging it with random ppl is basically undoable) then eh there is no point venturing forth.

Edit: I do not have 3 other MHW friends at the ready and I do not care enough to organize a grp via discord or smth. Any pug meta experiences? Is it soloable just fine or just like the behemoth?

You dont have to grind Safi's weapons unless you have too much time for making toy build, you only need the 5 pieces of armor.
For elemental you have KT weapon as the end game choice; for raw physic you already given the raging brachy that have 98% same damage and fatalis as next upgrade.

Safi can still be a nightmare when no one give a sht on siege mechanic as Beh beside damage. Most chaotic Beh randoms i seen is just lack on a tank to hold agro, which is 100% same as Safi cause the same system, the major different is Safi require the tank role to stay doing damage otherwise it will go berserk mode after agro drop.

[Emerald Lance]

Safi is a good fight with randos IMO, since it's generally a straight fight without gimmicks.

Alatreon and Fatalis are the opposite and have gimmicks that murder you quick if you aren't coordinating with your group members, and I wouldn't trust randos in those hunts; you'd have better luck trying to solo them.