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Cristian Bull 2021 年 5 月 27 日 下午 6:33
Defender Armor/Weapons ruined the game for me
As a completely new MH player (12hrs or so) I started the game and just after it was too late I discovered how OP this Defender ♥♥♥♥ Gear is.

The game said it's good equipment for newbies. Sounds good, why not?

I breezed through all the monsters in first and second area, having never fainted or been close to (again, being my first time every playing). Kill a bunch of things, and go to the smith with the hope of crafting my next shinny killing toy and what do I find? Pointless! An absolute waste of time! Every weapon I craft is considerably weaker than the Defender, and a-lot-cheaper-to-upgrade counterpart.

Isn't character improvement the way of RPGs? Isn't hunting monsters the whole point of the game ? ( it's like in game's title...)
What's the point of giving away cheap equipment that is not only good, but BETTER than everything else the early game has to offer? wtf!

I read a bit, and it seems the whole point was to quickly push every single lazy person through the main game so they could open their wallets and buy the iceborn expansion.

I bought Iceborn before knowing anything, but now because of those cheap dishonest executives/directives/developers (however is responsible for this huge pile of monster dung), I have to start the whole thing all again, because it feels stupid now and they didn't see fit telling me beforehand so I could not use that stupid line of equipment.

If you did it for money, well done, you ruined and broke your ducking game. I'm giving your game a negative recommendation just because of that because that's pretty much everything I can do as a stupid and angry consumer.

Bonus hate: By the time I was told (not before a solemn warning) to kill an Anjanath, I had casually killed the thing so many times, even the cat had an Anjanath outfit. Man, this is ridiculous.
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lekayrnthon 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:12 
引用自 Seamus
引用自 Fourmoyle
My $0.02.

I don't know how long OP has been gaming but any new armour that comes out near or after a whole new expansion for an established game is automatically assumed by me to be either elite/end game gear for the base game OR akin to WOW's horrible heirloom gear, designed to speedrun you through the current game to get you ready for the new addition.

This is a no-brainer at this point, I would think.

I took one look at guardian and defender gear and said 'NOPE!' and made my base gear and ran out into the field to get started. I even caught the event that Capcom had going on around the last sale, where you could get the blossom gear and compared its stats with my own and again said nope because it was also obviously designed to give you a leg up on the base game and its method of acquisition was WAAAY too easy compared to the benefits it was providing. Well...I did make the weapon for my Palico, that paralysis chance is huge, but left all the rest out. I just finally got to the point where I can make the Azure Star Shard gear for my Palico, which is a great set at the moment. Also gonna grind that Jagras event till I can make the Azure long sword (horse cutting sword?) and go use that on the Barroth and that Jyura-mudfish monster.

Point being...I watched MH streams for months before I could play this game and now that I can play it, it is even MORE fun to play than it seemed from watching the streams and THAT hasn't happened with a game in a loooong while. This is from someone who owned MH Tri on the Wii and bounced off it so hard the energy generated from my impact went back in time and caused the Tunguska event.

I want the experience to be as pristine as possible and the defender and guardian gear was obviously MH heirloom gear and I avoided it like the plague. I honestly can't see how this wasn't made clear from its marketing and the way its presented to you in the game.
You could maybe compare it to heirlooms in wow if heirlooms started out with stats 25x what other gear of that level has.

Except that's not the case.

You're also not just straight handed heirlooms on making a new character.

They're not particularly comparable.

Functionally equivalent? Both designed to carry you to the end of the base game allowing you to leapfrog everything but facerolling the game and getting to the starting line for the new x-pac.

Heirloom gear is OP at start and levels with you and can carry you to raid level; many say they used defender gear and guardian gear all the way through to IB and there was an argument that it was aimed at vets to speed them through stuff they had done before when they picked it up on pc. Either way, both serve the same purpose.

What point of differences are you picking?
DaBa 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:17 
Man, this just keeps going. If we keep going we might get the record for the longest Defender gear thread ever made. Congrats to the OP!

But yeah, I think we went through literally every single argument possible at least two times, every new comment is just a copy of an old one by now and responding to it is repeating something somebody else already said. We quite literally ran out of things to say. Also, kudos to ressenmacher, it was nice to talk about our ideas and come to an agreement like civilized people.
Seamus 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:20 
引用自 Fourmoyle
Functionally equivalent? Both designed to carry you to the end of the base game allowing you to leapfrog everything but facerolling the game and getting to the starting line for the new x-pac.
Except one costs you a substantial amount of gold. And isn't just thrown into your bags at character creation.
Heirloom gear is OP at start and levels with you and can carry you to raid level
BAHAHAHA.

You're kidding, right? Heirloom gear has NEVER scaled that high. It always stops scaling at the beginning of the expansion's level set.

You get more out of crafted gear.

Carries to raid level. Good lord.
many say they used defender gear and guardian gear all the way through to IB and there was an argument that it was aimed at vets to speed them through stuff they had done before when they picked it up on pc. Either way, both serve the same purpose.
Yeah. And none of that describes heirloom gear. There's almost zero investment with defender stuff.
What point of differences are you picking?
Take your pick. They serve similar purposes but are VASTLY different in execution.
DaBa 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:22 
I don't know much about wow and Heirlooms but something tells me that this is probably quite a different discussion seeing how in games like WoW the gear directly limits how well you can perform when compared to others. It's completely the opposite in MHW, where skill dictates how well you can perform almost entirely. So it doesn't sound like it would have the same ramifications as Defender gear does in MH. Whether it's worse or better I cannot say.

But I'm going to leave this discussion to others, I might be completely wrong. Just wanted to bring up that point since I believe it's an important distinction to keep in mind when making comparisons.
最後修改者:DaBa; 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:23
lekayrnthon 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:26 
引用自 Seamus
引用自 Fourmoyle
Functionally equivalent? Both designed to carry you to the end of the base game allowing you to leapfrog everything but facerolling the game and getting to the starting line for the new x-pac.
Except one costs you a substantial amount of gold. And isn't just thrown into your bags at character creation.
Heirloom gear is OP at start and levels with you and can carry you to raid level
BAHAHAHA.

You're kidding, right? Heirloom gear has NEVER scaled that high. It always stops scaling at the beginning of the expansion's level set.

You get more out of crafted gear.

Carries to raid level. Good lord.
many say they used defender gear and guardian gear all the way through to IB and there was an argument that it was aimed at vets to speed them through stuff they had done before when they picked it up on pc. Either way, both serve the same purpose.
Yeah. And none of that describes heirloom gear. There's almost zero investment with defender stuff.
What point of differences are you picking?
Take your pick. They serve similar purposes but are VASTLY different in execution.


UGH, reposting as I fuffed up THAT previous attempt.

Fair point.

My use of the phrase 'raid level' was improper. I meant 'carries you to the point where you can run end game dungeons' by which you would start to hit the expansion set and be running dungeons to get BIS gear and all that...I assume.

Not a big WOW player but someone who has tried several times to level a character, my tabletop player group is heavy into WOW, so forgive my use of terms that have different meanings in-game.
lekayrnthon 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:29 
引用自 DaBa
I don't know much about wow and Heirlooms but something tells me that this is probably quite a different discussion seeing how in games like WoW the gear directly limits how well you can perform when compared to others. It's completely the opposite in MHW, where skill dictates how well you can perform almost entirely. So it doesn't sound like it would have the same ramifications as Defender gear does in MH. Whether it's worse or better I cannot say.

But I'm going to leave this discussion to others, I might be completely wrong. Just wanted to bring up that point since I believe it's an important distinction to keep in mind when making comparisons.

Going purely from OP's post, he ran through the game for 12 hours before he 'realised' his gear was OP. Heirloom gear, as I understand it, is designed to prevent you having to seek better gear as you level, leaving you to run up to the point of the expansion and THEN start the gear hunt. Guardian and Defender gear serves the same purpose, to my understanding.

*wanders even further off topic*
Seamus 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:35 
To throw some numbers at it, the plate heirloom chest I've gotten a lot of use out of.

Polished Breastplate of Valor. Costs 500 gold to buy. Starts out capped to level 29. Upgrading it to be usable to the current heirloom cap of 49 costs 8500 gold. So that's 9000 gold PER PIECE to use heirlooms to level 49.

The weapons are even more expensive. They run 500-1000 gold per piece to get the base version and 12750 gold to upgrade to the cap.

That's a HEFTY amount of money.

And still only scales to 11 levels before the current level cap. Not that impressive for something that is only about on par with green rarity equipment.
ressenmacher 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:48 
I keep seeing the "well OP should just have googled it, the gear is fine, it's people that have no brain!" argument popping up and I'd like to have a look at it.

Is it true? Perhaps. Maybe it is reasonable to assume that OP could have figured things out, and that this mistake is due to their own laziness or incompetence.

But it isn't just OP. This is not the first defender gear thread. Quite a few people have had this problem, to the point where if you go into a "newb asking for advice thread," you'll see somebody warning them not to use defender gear. Whatever the cause, it's clear that there exists some problem where people are using the defender gear without realizing what it does. Even if the problem is "people have no brain," Capcom should address it because it is still, well, a problem.
lekayrnthon 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 12:48 
引用自 Seamus
To throw some numbers at it, the plate heirloom chest I've gotten a lot of use out of.

Polished Breastplate of Valor. Costs 500 gold to buy. Starts out capped to level 29. Upgrading it to be usable to the current heirloom cap of 49 costs 8500 gold. So that's 9000 gold PER PIECE to use heirlooms to level 49.

The weapons are even more expensive. They run 500-1000 gold per piece to get the base version and 12750 gold to upgrade to the cap.

That's a HEFTY amount of money.

And still only scales to 11 levels before the current level cap. Not that impressive for something that is only about on par with green rarity equipment.

I was going to post something about gold in WOW being easy to come by now but this aspect, that of keeping the gear leveled, which I completely forgot, does make it clear that they do function differently. One is an up front gift, the other requires active maintenance over time.

Fair point.

Should also tell you how much I'm interested in ever playing WOW again.
CourtesyFlush09 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 1:48 
引用自 ressenmacher
But it isn't just OP. This is not the first defender gear thread. Quite a few people have had this problem
True, but you have to remember that this forum (hell, even the entire internet) represents a tiny fraction of World's global player base.

The reality is that the vast majority of players aren't bothered by the Defender gear and choose to use it or not. And then they move on with the rest of their day.
Zothen 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 3:29 
引用自 CourtesyFlush90
It's almost like it's completely optional gear that you don't have to use.

And it's almost like the game tells you that it's intended for people who want to get to Iceborne faster.
Look, you have to pull the head from the rear. The OP armor is even pre-selected when you create a new char.

So without any understanding of the game you have to deselect it, so it doesnt spoil the game progress. And if you dont select it the game repeativly teases guardian- and defender-gear to the player.

Players cant make an informed decision because of this bull.
最後修改者:Zothen; 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 3:29
Popcorn 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 4:10 
引用自 Zothen
引用自 CourtesyFlush90
It's almost like it's completely optional gear that you don't have to use.

And it's almost like the game tells you that it's intended for people who want to get to Iceborne faster.
Look, you have to pull the head from the rear. The OP armor is even pre-selected when you create a new char.

So without any understanding of the game you have to deselect it, so it doesnt spoil the game progress. And if you dont select it the game repeativly teases guardian- and defender-gear to the player.

Players cant make an informed decision because of this bull.
So...you don't read before clicking okay? Okay...

Is this also what you do when signing contracts as well?
How about online stuff?
最後修改者:Popcorn; 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 7:16
Corrupt-nz 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 6:32 
Oof another person taken by the doomed armor
Cristian Bull 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 7:14 
引用自 Corrupt-nz
Oof another person taken by the doomed armor

*cries in noob*
Snuggy Serian 2021 年 6 月 2 日 下午 9:19 
引用自 Popcorn
引用自 Zothen
Look, you have to pull the head from the rear. The OP armor is even pre-selected when you create a new char.

So without any understanding of the game you have to deselect it, so it doesnt spoil the game progress. And if you dont select it the game repeativly teases guardian- and defender-gear to the player.

Players cant make an informed decision because of this bull.
So...you don't read before clicking okay? Okay...

Is this also what you do when signing contracts as well?
How about online stuff?


It doesn't say anything about being too strong, breaking the game balance or anything similiar. it really just says "good for newbies". I remember myself some weeks being pissed how ♥♥♥♥ many things are communicated in the game.
I guessed from the beginning what the purpose of this armor is. But not because the game tells anything useful about it.
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