Monster Hunter: World

Monster Hunter: World

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World VS Rise ( NO SPOILERS DISCUSSION)
I came back to this on PC because a friend asked me to play with them and I figured, why not? Coming from Rise, which is the current new MH release ( not counting Stories 2, of course), I have to see that I feel like World is so slow by comparison now. I still enjoy world, but I got so used to the new movesets and the new 'skills', that it feels like I am in slowmo.
However one thing that World has and that I wish Rise had, is the 'open world' map design that just feels better IMO in World. Combining that with a certain new mechanic, would make it so much fun IMO!

But yeah, I can say that Rise might be the best MH to date yet, it being a 'best of' every cool things about old school MH and World.

I am definitely going to be buying Rise again for PC when it comes out, and I cannot wait to hunt with all of you!
Ultima modifica da The Ultimate Despair; 31 lug 2021, ore 20:18
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Messaggio originale di Seamus:
Messaggio originale di GamingWithSilvertail:
W/o online capabilitys.

Worlds has the benefit to always stay online fyi since it doesnt use third party servers :p

When servers die, game dies for 99% of players. I am glad you can but I certainly cant go back to clunky style MH.
Welp, you're 200% wrong here.

Every PSP MH game can still be played online, as can all of the 3DS ones.

The only ones that can't be played online are the PS2 and Wii games as their online services have been entirely shut down.

Edit: Pretty sure the WiiU version of 3U still works fine as well.
None of those legally work online without third party edits appart from 3U,4 and gen (Which dont use third party servers FYI, They use first party). Its up to nintendo to decide that when they will drop support for WiiU network capabillities. Nintendo is slowly shutting down Wii U servers so that time may change soon.

I do rather not discuss how it works that or put that into this topic due to the fact of steam's policy.

MH1-Portable used third party servers. Tri's servers dont work cause Nintendo shut it down.

We been over this 2-3 years ago btw.


Ultima modifica da GamingWithSilvertail; 2 ago 2021, ore 16:34
Messaggio originale di GamingWithSilvertail:
None of those legally work online without third party edits appart from 3U,4 and gen (Which dont use third party servers FYI, They use first party). Its up to nintendo to decide that when they will drop support for WiiU network capabillities. Nintendo is slowly shutting down Wii U servers so that time may change soon.

I do rather not discuss how it works that or put that into this topic due to the fact of steam's policy.

MH1-Portable used third party servers. Tri's servers dont work cause Nintendo shut it down.

We been over this 2-3 years ago btw.
MH1 and 2 were on capcom servers. Capcom shut them down.

Portable, Portable 2, Portable 2nd G and Portable 3rd had no servers except capcom's servers for downloading event quests which have since been shut down. They were exclusively adhoc for the multiplayer. The software to play those via the internet is not and has never been illegal or against steam tos. It still works fine like it has since the games launched.

You continue to be wrong.
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
Messaggio originale di GamingWithSilvertail:
None of those legally work online without third party edits appart from 3U,4 and gen (Which dont use third party servers FYI, They use first party). Its up to nintendo to decide that when they will drop support for WiiU network capabillities. Nintendo is slowly shutting down Wii U servers so that time may change soon.

I do rather not discuss how it works that or put that into this topic due to the fact of steam's policy.

MH1-Portable used third party servers. Tri's servers dont work cause Nintendo shut it down.

We been over this 2-3 years ago btw.
MH1 and 2 were on capcom servers. Capcom shut them down.

Portable, Portable 2, Portable 2nd G and Portable 3rd had no servers except capcom's servers for downloading event quests which have since been shut down. They were exclusively adhoc for the multiplayer. The software to play those via the internet is not and has never been illegal or against steam tos. It still works fine like it has since the games launched.

You continue to be wrong.
also most emulators literally have online capability now, so you can literally play the PSP MHs with friends online by using your IP to connect through.
Messaggio originale di GamingWithSilvertail:
Messaggio originale di latinaparfait:
I can go back to FU or 3U any day, much better and more enjoyable than world ngl.
W/o online capabilitys.

Worlds has the benefit to always stay online fyi since it doesnt use third party servers :p

When servers die, game dies for 99% of players. I am glad you can but I certainly cant go back to clunky style MH.
i've never understood can't play something because its "clunky", or old game bad cause graphics. if the game was enjoyable back then it should still be enjoyable today, literally takes maybe 30 minutes to get used to the controls and mechanics and it'll seem just normal.
Messaggio originale di latinaparfait:
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I was avoiding talking about those as emulation is against the forum rules.
Sorry for how long this is. I also have over 100 hours in Rise. Also this is my personal opinion to Rise.

The Positives to Rise for me:
-I like the combat mechanics through they feel more archaic than worlds
-I like the clutch claw system, I hate how it's almost mandatory to constantly spam it to take down monsters in worlds. In rise they get rid of it.
-The wire bug system is fun through it is essentially a fancy jump mechanic.
-Capcom completely reworked how Hunting Horns work, which is now my main weapon to use.
-The new monsters are great to fight.
-Some of the new wire bug special moves are fun to use.
-This is my opinion, but I do like the new rampage fights, though I wish they were implemented better.
-This is a very controversial opinion but Rise has a more focused setting of Shonan Jump ascetic. I'm not sure if I call this a plus or not.
-If you like dogs, this game will satisfy your love for doggos.
-Multiplayer system to increase your HR is better than previous Monster Hunter games (not including Worlds) where you had to look up a guide to see what quests you have to do to get your urgent quest.
-You may or may not like the new food system.
-Faster world farming, you can harvest everything while riding your Palamute.
-The game loads much faster than Worlds.

The negatives to me anyway are:
-The single player is crap, there is practically no story compared to Worlds or even Monster Hunter 4U.
-The single player is criminally short and incomplete (You don't even fight High rank monsters in single player).
-Very little world (no pun intended) building.
-I don't like how Rise introduces new monsters.
-Personal opinion, but I hate the new maps. It's very easy to get stuck in places.
-I do not like the new buff system where you have to hunt for bugs to increase your stats.
-Unlike Worlds where the story can be played with online players, Rise's story is separate from it's multiplayer meaning you have to do everything all over again if you focused on single player.
-No SOS system. You create a multiplayer game from the start or you do not. So if you are in the middle of a hunt and you decide that you want online help, you have to start all over.
-No alpha and beta armor system which shortens the list of armors.
-Back to only having 4 people in a multiplayer lobby.
-I do not like some of the special monster battle theme music. Zinogre, my favorite monster in Monster Hunter, has the best theme music in Worlds, and they butchered it in Rise.
-I think the game is really easy. Worlds I struggled with some of the high end fights, but I breezed through Rise. Even Valstrak was easy, through I did enjoy the fight.

Overall Rise is just not complete. There are I think only 6 elder dragons (2 before the first major update which added the old trio of Chamelos, Kush, and Teosta), and there is nothing else to do. The Apex system, which works kind of like the Deviant system in Generations Ultimate is an interesting new feature, but, I rather have the Deviant system in Generations Ultimate which rewarded the player unique weapons and really cool armor (Boltreaver Astalos is one of my faves).
Messaggio originale di Jman:
-The single player is criminally short and incomplete (You don't even fight High rank monsters in single player).
Apparently you've never played a non g-rank game before. That's normal.
-I do not like the new buff system where you have to hunt for bugs to increase your stats.
So don't do it. It's a waste of time.
-Unlike Worlds where the story can be played with online players, Rise's story is separate from it's multiplayer meaning you have to do everything all over again if you focused on single player.
Half true. You can skip low rank guild if you do all of village. There's special quests that unlock in village that skip you past tiers in guild.
-No SOS system. You create a multiplayer game from the start or you do not. So if you are in the middle of a hunt and you decide that you want online help, you have to start all over.
And nothing of value was lost. The SOS system was a horrible idea.
-No alpha and beta armor system which shortens the list of armors.
Alpha and beta were a holdover from the old system with gunners and blademasters using completely different armor sets(other than helms)
-Back to only having 4 people in a multiplayer lobby.
And nothing of value was lost considering hunts are and always have been(other than frontier) four players anyway.
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
Messaggio originale di Jman:
-The single player is criminally short and incomplete (You don't even fight High rank monsters in single player).
Apparently you've never played a non g-rank game before. That's normal.
I've played every single Monster Hunter game. Even the very first one on PS2.
Messaggio originale di Jman:
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
Apparently you've never played a non g-rank game before. That's normal.
I've played every single Monster Hunter game. Even the very first one on PS2.
I don't believe you.

If you had, you'd know world is the odd game out here with the design, not rise.
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
Messaggio originale di Jman:
I've played every single Monster Hunter game. Even the very first one on PS2.
I don't believe you.

If you had, you'd know world is the odd game out here with the design, not rise.
What's your point with this argument? It still doesn't detract that Rise is much more incomplete compared to Worlds, hell even Generations on 3DS.

EDIT:
Ok I know what kind of troll you are trying to be.
Worlds uses the low, High, and Master rank system for monsters instead of the low, high and G-rank system which is essentially the same.

Worlds binds its single player and multiplayer together, which old school Monster Hunter it was always separate. Trying to find your primary quests to unlock your urgent was a pain in the butt without a guide or completing every single multiplayer quest.

Worlds also allows people to join hunts in progress, which the older games you had assemble your party first.

Prior to I think 4 Ultimate, palicos did not join multiplayer games, through 2 Unite you were able to have 2 palicos or which they were pretty much useless unless you got a hack that buffed their attack power to insane levels.

Again what are you trying to prove?
Ultima modifica da Jman; 3 ago 2021, ore 0:23
Messaggio originale di Jman:
Sorry for how long this is. I also have over 100 hours in Rise. Also this is my personal opinion to Rise.

The Positives to Rise for me:
-I like the combat mechanics through they feel more archaic than worlds
-I like the clutch claw system, I hate how it's almost mandatory to constantly spam it to take down monsters in worlds. In rise they get rid of it.
-The wire bug system is fun through it is essentially a fancy jump mechanic.
-Capcom completely reworked how Hunting Horns work, which is now my main weapon to use.
-The new monsters are great to fight.
-Some of the new wire bug special moves are fun to use.
-This is my opinion, but I do like the new rampage fights, though I wish they were implemented better.
-This is a very controversial opinion but Rise has a more focused setting of Shonan Jump ascetic. I'm not sure if I call this a plus or not.
-If you like dogs, this game will satisfy your love for doggos.
-Multiplayer system to increase your HR is better than previous Monster Hunter games (not including Worlds) where you had to look up a guide to see what quests you have to do to get your urgent quest.
-You may or may not like the new food system.
-Faster world farming, you can harvest everything while riding your Palamute.
-The game loads much faster than Worlds.

The negatives to me anyway are:
-The single player is crap, there is practically no story compared to Worlds or even Monster Hunter 4U.
-The single player is criminally short and incomplete (You don't even fight High rank monsters in single player).
-Very little world (no pun intended) building.
-I don't like how Rise introduces new monsters.
-Personal opinion, but I hate the new maps. It's very easy to get stuck in places.
-I do not like the new buff system where you have to hunt for bugs to increase your stats.
-Unlike Worlds where the story can be played with online players, Rise's story is separate from it's multiplayer meaning you have to do everything all over again if you focused on single player.
-No SOS system. You create a multiplayer game from the start or you do not. So if you are in the middle of a hunt and you decide that you want online help, you have to start all over.
-No alpha and beta armor system which shortens the list of armors.
-Back to only having 4 people in a multiplayer lobby.
-I do not like some of the special monster battle theme music. Zinogre, my favorite monster in Monster Hunter, has the best theme music in Worlds, and they butchered it in Rise.
-I think the game is really easy. Worlds I struggled with some of the high end fights, but I breezed through Rise. Even Valstrak was easy, through I did enjoy the fight.

Overall Rise is just not complete. There are I think only 6 elder dragons (2 before the first major update which added the old trio of Chamelos, Kush, and Teosta), and there is nothing else to do. The Apex system, which works kind of like the Deviant system in Generations Ultimate is an interesting new feature, but, I rather have the Deviant system in Generations Ultimate which rewarded the player unique weapons and really cool armor (Boltreaver Astalos is one of my faves).
worlds story is so boring and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anybody who enjoyed it needs to rethink their life decisions. most MH games only have low rank for story or village quest then add high rank with the expansion. also saying you can quote on quote "play the story with friends" is 100% misleading cause you really can't. what you got to do is everybody your playing with has to all start their own instance of the quest watch the boring ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cutscene, exit out of the quest and start up a new quest. it is genuinely one of the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ systems i have ever seen in any multiplayer game and literally nobody should defend it or say thats good.

4 player lobbies > 16 player lobbies. you can only play with 4 players, having 16 is beyond stupid and worsens the experience in almost every way possible. nothing is worse than doing quests then having some random you aren't even playing with join the quest because the lobbies have 4+. 16 lobbies is a huge negative and downside of world and genuinely hurts the overall experience.

separating village and online quests was one of the best choices rise did, stop forcing people to watch cutscenes capcom especially the ones we got in world. painful to sit through those horrendous cutscenes.
Ultima modifica da latinaparfait(I♡Shakira); 3 ago 2021, ore 0:23
Messaggio originale di Jman:
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
I don't believe you.

If you had, you'd know world is the odd game out here with the design, not rise.
What's your point with this argument? It still doesn't detract that Rise is much more incomplete compared to Worlds, hell even Generations on 3DS.
My point is that your choice of using this as a negative was massively ill informed.

And for gods sake. It's world, not worlds.
Messaggio originale di Jman:
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
I don't believe you.

If you had, you'd know world is the odd game out here with the design, not rise.
What's your point with this argument? It still doesn't detract that Rise is much more incomplete compared to Worlds, hell even Generations on 3DS.
no its not, its obvious world is your first game. when world launched it launched barebones, it had very little content and things to do. generations and generations ultimate both annihilate world in content, rise is the base game of course its not going to have as much content as the fully updated world. use your brain.
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
Messaggio originale di Jman:
What's your point with this argument? It still doesn't detract that Rise is much more incomplete compared to Worlds, hell even Generations on 3DS.
My point is that your choice of using this as a negative was massively ill informed.

And for gods sake. It's world, not worlds.
How so? You have yet to explain anything.
Messaggio originale di Jman:
Messaggio originale di Seamus:
My point is that your choice of using this as a negative was massively ill informed.

And for gods sake. It's world, not worlds.
How so? You have yet to explain anything.
So, you literally didn't read my post at all. You just decided to respond with "NUH UH! I PLAYED THEM ALL!".

World is the only game in the franchise with high rank story in the base game. This is something you'd know if you had actually played the non g-rank titles literally ever.
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