Best Dual Blades against Fatalis?

[Crystal]

Can anyone tell me which db does the highest damage to Fatalis?

Rank the following from best to worst:

A) Fatalis Dual Skies
B) Alatreon Madness
C) Kjarr Dragon Blades
D) Ruinous Decimation
E) Death Row

I am trying to optimize my gear against him. So any input is truly appreciated. Thank you!

[Andy_RK]

i vote for option A

[arcmos]

If you have the gears and decos for it, you either go max raw which would be fatalis DBs or max element which would be kjarr dragon DBs, don't know which one is the most damaging to fatalis tho.

[Crystal]

Originally posted by arcmos:

If you have the gears and decos for it, you either go max raw which would be fatalis DBs or max element which would be kjarr dragon DBs, don't know which one is the most damaging to fatalis tho.

Max raw with negative affinity as db seems a bit of a waste.

I tested Alatreon DB and Ruinous DB before and they seem to yield healthy numbers as well.

Hard to tell if max raw is better or high dragon ele is better against Fatalis.

But I will test Kjarr dragon DB and let you know how it goes.

[Deadbubble]

Fatty DBs win. Use them.

[Deadbubble]

Originally posted by Crystal G:

Originally posted by arcmos:

If you have the gears and decos for it, you either go max raw which would be fatalis DBs or max element which would be kjarr dragon DBs, don't know which one is the most damaging to fatalis tho.

Max raw with negative affinity as db seems a bit of a waste.

I tested Alatreon DB and Ruinous DB before and they seem to yield healthy numbers as well.

Hard to tell if max raw is better or high dragon ele is better against Fatalis.

But I will test Kjarr dragon DB and let you know how it goes.

Fatalis has stellar sever HZVs. You'd want Fatty DBs. Hopefully, by max raw, he means a typical raw focused build, which would be 95% affinity with crit boost, etc, and not like, priortize Attack Boost 7 first.

[Crystal]

Originally posted by Deadbubble:

Fatalis has stellar sever HZVs. You'd want Fatty DBs. Hopefully, by max raw, he means a typical raw focused build, which would be 95% affinity with crit boost, etc, and not like, priortize Attack Boost 7 first.

Pardon me, but what is HZV?

Does that mean he will absorb ele damage or negate them?

And it's amazing ppl can reach 95% affinity with Dual Skies since I have Crit Eye 7 and Crit Boost 3 and augmented DB but still affinity is crap at 20% on paper (what equip info page says).

[Andy_RK]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2544206207 here, my comfy 95% raw fata DB set, can kill anything with respectable time with it. It will only shows 25% on status, but when you hit tenderized weakspot+agitator activates, technically it will reach 95% crit (weapon augment on Affinity+health because im too lazy to heal on battle)

[Deadbubble]

Originally posted by Crystal G:

Originally posted by Deadbubble:

Fatalis has stellar sever HZVs. You'd want Fatty DBs. Hopefully, by max raw, he means a typical raw focused build, which would be 95% affinity with crit boost, etc, and not like, priortize Attack Boost 7 first.

Pardon me, but what is HZV?

Does that mean he will absorb ele damage or negate them?

And it's amazing ppl can reach 95% affinity with Dual Skies since I have Crit Eye 7 and Crit Boost 3 and augmented DB but still affinity is crap at 20% on paper (what equip info page says).

HitZone Value. How much damage a body part takes. Each damage type has its own hzv for each body part. hzv of 10 = 10% damage taken. HZV of 100 = 100% damage taken

Fatty's head has a sever HZV of 75. This is extremely high among monsters. His chest has an HZV of 70 when supercritical. This is incredibly generous too.

As for his Dragon HZVs, his head has 25. This is extremely good for elemental too. His chest, on the other hand, is a static 15, which is mediocre.

Fatty DBs, like all other Fatty weapons (except light bowgun), have incredibly large amounts of raw damage on them. Coupled with his super generous sever HZVs, Fatty DBs are just a perfect match for Fatty.

As for 95% affinity, its easy. Weakness Exploit 3 is an easy 50% affinity. Critical Eye 7 gets you 40%. Agitator 7 is an extra 20%. Affinity Augment is a bonus 10%. Attack Boost 4 is yet another 5%.

Thats 125% affinity right here. Fatty weps have -30% on them, so it averages out to 95%. Getting to 100% is not worth it.

[AKYM |]

HZV= Hit Zone Value
A damage reduction percentage given by 1~100.
A HZV with 100 means it will take 100% of your damage, and 1 means 1% damage taken,
45 HZV is the minimum amount to proc weakness exploit
HVZ only affect physical damage calculation
Elemental damage only affect by elemental weakness thats from 0 to 30 or more (only HR
Kulve Taroth have reached 50)

[Deadbubble]

Originally posted by AKYM |:

HZV= Hit Zone Value
A damage reduction percentage given by 1~100.
A HZV with 100 means it will take 100% of your damage, and 1 means 1% damage taken,
45 HZV is the minimum amount to proc weakness exploit
HVZ only affect physical damage calculation
Elemental damage only affect by elemental weakness thats from 0 to 30 or more (only HR
Kulve Taroth have reached 50)

Technically, HZVs exist for elemental too. Same concept. But yes, this is accurate.

[AKYM |]

According to the Damage simulator (only jp available, this is the most powerful one i found it can separate physical and element damage, calculate by monster parts)
https://kuroyonhon.com/mhwib/d/dame.php

Overall rank 1 is Fatalis, second is Kjarr duel to the sht hit zone on chest.
They should perform very close in field, the fatty one win on hitting head but similar on other parts.

[AKYM |]

Originally posted by Deadbubble:

Technically, HZVs exist for elemental too. Same concept. But yes, this is accurate.

This is me trying to avoid those wording typo thingy and get those ZV all mix up, since I only found HZV being the common known or official term while EZV is less commonly seen.

[Deadbubble]

Okay, I asked someone else. Ala DBs outdamage Fatty DBs on head. The two are competitive to chest in P1 and P2. In P3, Fatty DBs outperform Ala DBs, when attacking chest.

You need to be really good at sniping the head at every opportunity though. Would probably still recommend Fatty. Comfier set too, with the fatty armor.

[AKYM |]

Here is the damage to different parts under the same skill with 100% crit on 1.4x boost:
Numbers are too much I'll only pick demon dance in enraged:
Parts: Total Damage(Phy+ele) [single hit damage(Phy+ele)]

Fatalis Dual Skies:(+lv7 att boost){Att 606(433 true) | 120 dragon}
Head[wounded]:1308 + 52
[ 127 + 4 ][ 127 + 4 ][ 45 + 3 ][ 45 + 3 ][ 75 + 3 ][ 75 + 3 ][ 67 + 3 ][ 67 + 3 ][ 82 + 3 ][ 82 + 3 ][ 67 + 3 ][ 67 + 3 ][ 90 + 3 ][ 90 + 3 ][ 52 + 4 ][ 150 + 4 ]

Chest[wounded]: 916 + 32
[ 89 + 2 ][ 89 + 2 ][ 31 + 2 ][ 31 + 2 ][ 52 + 2 ][ 52 + 2 ][ 47 + 2 ][ 47 + 2 ][ 58 + 2 ][ 58 + 2 ][ 47 + 2 ][ 47 + 2 ][ 63 + 2 ][ 63 + 2 ][ 37 + 2 ][ 105 + 2 ]

Chest(heated)[wounded]: 1244 + 32
[ 121 + 2 ][ 121 + 2 ][ 43 + 2 ][ 43 + 2 ][ 71 + 2 ][ 71 + 2 ][ 64 + 2 ][ 64 + 2 ][ 78 + 2 ][ 78 + 2 ][ 64 + 2 ][ 64 + 2 ][ 85 + 2 ][ 85 + 2 ][ 50 + 2 ][ 142 + 2 ]

Rare leg[wounded]:655 + 32
[ 64 + 2 ][ 64 + 2 ][ 22 + 2 ][ 22 + 2 ][ 37 + 2 ][ 37 + 2 ][ 34 + 2 ][ 34 + 2 ][ 41 + 2 ][ 41 + 2 ][ 34 + 2 ][ 34 + 2 ][ 45 + 2 ][ 45 + 2 ][ 26 + 2 ][ 75 + 2 ]

Kjarr Dragon Blades: (Att 469 (335 ture) | 700 dragon}
Head[wounded]: 979 + 408
[ 95 + 30 ][ 95 + 30 ][ 34 + 24 ][ 34 + 24 ][ 56 + 24 ][ 56 + 24 ][ 50 + 24 ][ 50 + 24 ][ 62 + 24 ][ 62 + 24 ][ 50 + 24 ][ 50 + 24 ][ 67 + 24 ][ 67 + 24 ][ 39 + 30 ][ 112 + 30 ]

Chest[wounded]: 681 + 240
[ 66 + 18 ][ 66 + 18 ][ 23 + 14 ][ 23 + 14 ][ 39 + 14 ][ 39 + 14 ][ 35 + 14 ][ 35 + 14 ][ 43 + 14 ][ 43 + 14 ][ 35 + 14 ][ 35 + 14 ][ 47 + 14 ][ 47 + 14 ][ 27 + 18 ][ 78 + 18 ]

Chest(heated)[wounded]: 929 + 240
[ 90 + 18 ][ 90 + 18 ][ 32 + 14 ][ 32 + 14 ][ 53 + 14 ][ 53 + 14 ][ 48 + 14 ][ 48 + 14 ][ 58 + 14 ][ 58 + 14 ][ 48 + 14 ][ 48 + 14 ][ 64 + 14 ][ 64 + 14 ][ 37 + 18 ][ 106 + 18 ]

Rare leg[wounded]: 492 + 208
[ 48 + 16 ][ 48 + 16 ][ 17 + 12 ][ 17 + 12 ][ 28 + 12 ][ 28 + 12 ][ 25 + 12 ][ 25 + 12 ][ 31 + 12 ][ 31 + 12 ][ 25 + 12 ][ 25 + 12 ][ 34 + 12 ][ 34 + 12 ][ 20 + 16 ][ 56 + 16 ]

ED1: good luck reading this mess

[Crystal]

Originally posted by Andy_RK:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2544206207 here, my comfy 95% raw fata DB set, can kill anything with respectable time with it. It will only shows 25% on status, but when you hit tenderized weakspot+agitator activates, technically it will reach 95% crit (weapon augment on Affinity+health because im too lazy to heal on battle)

That looks impressive, honestly. You max out every dps skill possible.

But I tend to get evade window n divine blessing for fatalis... I am just a bit less unga than you, and I'm afraid to die :)

Originally posted by Deadbubble:

HitZone Value. How much damage a body part takes. Each damage type has its own hzv for each body part. hzv of 10 = 10% damage taken. HZV of 100 = 100% damage taken

Thanks for clarifying the concept of HZV. So it means the obese dragon takes 75% damage from raw weapon so investing in raw gives the best value.

Originally posted by AKYM |:

According to the Damage simulator (only jp available, this is the most powerful one i found it can separate physical and element damage, calculate by monster parts)
https://kuroyonhon.com/mhwib/d/dame.php

Overall rank 1 is Fatalis, second is Kjarr duel to the sht hit zone on chest.
They should perform very close in field, the fatty one win on hitting head but similar on other parts.

Nice!! The simulator reports the value! Looks legit. Have u tested it yourself?

I haven't tried kjarr dragon db... but it will be interesting to compare the experience with Alatreon and Fatalis db...

In fact, I'm gonna try it now :D

Originally posted by Deadbubble:

Okay, I asked someone else. Ala DBs outdamage Fatty DBs on head. The two are competitive to chest in P1 and P2. In P3, Fatty DBs outperform Ala DBs, when attacking chest.

That's the thing.... I notice BIG triple numbers when I was hitting Fatalis with Alatreon DB... I'm surprised. It makes me wonder if Alatreon can rival or even outperform Fatalis DB in certain aspects...

I've tried Ruiner DB and Death Row as well.... they are comfortable against Fatalis but don't give triple numbers unless Fortify activates... I can tell Alatreon DB outperforms these two which is surprising, considering the low raw it has :p

I seriously enjoy reading the answers to this thread... you guys have amazing knowledge.