Blizzard and Blaze or Bergel Vetra?

[Xenos]

I'm picking back up Dual Blades as my secondary weapon of choice now that I've got enough resources to fit in Evade Window and other "mash dodge and run around like an idiot" skills that I LOVE using. However, since I haven't used them since Low Rank, I need to remake basically all of them. I'm trying to decide which Ice elemental DB to use, and I'm stuck between Blizzard & Blaze vs Bergel Vetra.

BnB has both 330 Ice and Blast, but awful Sharpness, with barely any white and blue before it dumps down into a small reserve of green.
In contrast, Bergel has only 360 Ice, but such a massive amount of white sharpness it would probably only run out twice per hunt at maximum.

The two physicals are nearly the same, and the same for affinity.
I just want to gauge some community opinions and make my own decision based on that.
Is Blast good enough by itself to make up for the damage loss due to low sharpness and having to spend time sharpening it more?

[JanWar]

Get the second one. Dual element/status only deal half element each since only one blade deal ice damage and the other one deal blast build up. While on pure element, both blade do elemental damage.

[Suzaku]

BnB splits their element/status between the blades, meaning you only get half of the application compared to a weapon that has only one of those. If you want ice, go Bergel.

[Snackplate :D]

Bergel Vetra has purple sharpness. And is the superior weapon.

It is only second to Kjarr ice, which is the best ice db in the game.

BnB has 330 divided equally between Ice and Blast per dagger. So it makes 165 ice per hit, or 165 blast per hit.

I may be mistaken, but anytime there is dual elements (like fire + poison), the value will be equally divided between 2 daggers.

You want to go max ice to take advantage of db, so Bergel Vetra all the way. Or better still, Kjarr ice db. The Kjarr series makes the best elemental db in the game.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Crystal G:

Bergel Vetra has purple sharpness. And is the superior weapon.

It is only second to Kjarr ice, which is the best ice db in the game.

BnB has 330 divided equally between Ice and Blast per dagger. So it makes 165 ice per hit, or 165 blast per hit.

I may be mistaken, but anytime there is dual elements (like fire + poison), the value will be equally divided between 2 daggers.

You want to go max ice to take advantage of db, so Bergel Vetra all the way. Or better still, Kjarr ice db. The Kjarr series makes the best elemental db in the game.

No, that's not how dual element weapons work.

That's not how they've EVER worked.

One weapon is ice, one weapon is blast. One hand does element, the other has a chance of a status proc.

[Snackplate :D]

Originally posted by Seamus:

That's not how they've EVER worked.

One weapon is ice, one weapon is blast. One hand does element, the other has a chance of a status proc.

Yes, that's what i mean by value is equally divided between 2 daggers.

1 hand doing ice, another doing blast. Which halves the value of the element.

Perhaps you can enlighten us with your maths - what you mean by one hand does element, the other status. Does that divide their value, or do they remain the same.

[Xenos]

This is extremely useful info, thanks! I didnt consider it might be split like that in the actual calculations. I was going to use the Silver and Gold Rath tree too, but ill can that if its just gonna split them.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Crystal G:

Originally posted by Seamus:

That's not how they've EVER worked.

One weapon is ice, one weapon is blast. One hand does element, the other has a chance of a status proc.

Yes, that's what i mean by value is equally divided between 2 daggers.

1 hand doing ice, another doing blast. Which halves the value of the element.

Perhaps you can enlighten us with your maths - what you mean by one hand does element, the other status. Does that divide their value, or do they remain the same.

No, it doesn't split the value. There's a reason it's listed as 33 blast 33 ice. And why wyvern strife says 36 poison 36 fire.

One sword does poison, one sword does fire.

Just like blizzard and blaze has the values listed separately.

Hell, with wyvern strife you can tell which is which by looking at them. The silver one made of rathalos parts is the fire sword, the gold one made of rathian parts is the poison sword.

Swing with the silver one, fire damage.

Swing with the gold one, poison proc chance.

Same ♥♥♥♥.

[Xenos]

While I've got people here and need to fight Tempered Frostfang Barioth anyways, what skill stops my feet from getting stuck on the ground during ice breath? Polar mobility?

[Seamus]

Unless my memory is wrong, no skills prevent it. It's just something you need to avoid. Been a while since I tested, though.

[Xenos]

Originally posted by Crystal G:

Bergel Vetra has purple sharpness. And is the superior weapon.

It is only second to Kjarr ice, which is the best ice db in the game.

BnB has 330 divided equally between Ice and Blast per dagger. So it makes 165 ice per hit, or 165 blast per hit.

I may be mistaken, but anytime there is dual elements (like fire + poison), the value will be equally divided between 2 daggers.

You want to go max ice to take advantage of db, so Bergel Vetra all the way. Or better still, Kjarr ice db. The Kjarr series makes the best elemental db in the game.

I only have the wiki to go off of, so what makes the Kjarrs the best elemental DBs? Based on the wiki alone they actually look kinda bad. 100 less physical, 100 less elemental, max blue sharpness. What makes them good?

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by Xenos:

Originally posted by Crystal G:

Bergel Vetra has purple sharpness. And is the superior weapon.

It is only second to Kjarr ice, which is the best ice db in the game.

BnB has 330 divided equally between Ice and Blast per dagger. So it makes 165 ice per hit, or 165 blast per hit.

I may be mistaken, but anytime there is dual elements (like fire + poison), the value will be equally divided between 2 daggers.

You want to go max ice to take advantage of db, so Bergel Vetra all the way. Or better still, Kjarr ice db. The Kjarr series makes the best elemental db in the game.

I only have the wiki to go off of, so what makes the Kjarrs the best elemental DBs? Based on the wiki alone they actually look kinda bad. 100 less physical, 100 less elemental, max blue sharpness. What makes them good?

You can upgrade them to MR they will have white Sharp and built in crit ele.

[Xenos]

Even though the Blizzard and Blaze is inferior than Bergel due to the split statuses, is the Wyvern Strife worth using as a Fire DB? Save for any Kjarrs or whatever I don't know about, the only other weapon that comes close in fire damage is Crime, which is a hidden element, and I don't have room to slot that onto my build. The next best Fire DB is Smoldering Kingdoms, which is 120 less fire, less physical, 15% less affinity, and lacks poison.

[Snackplate :D]

Originally posted by Seamus:

No, it doesn't split the value. There's a reason it's listed as 33 blast 33 ice. And why wyvern strife says 36 poison 36 fire.

One sword does poison, one sword does fire.

Just like blizzard and blaze has the values listed separately.

Interesting info! I didn't know that the value remains the same.

So one dagger does 33 blast, another 33 ice? That's kinda OP.

I was always under the (false) impression that 1 hand will do half the value.

Originally posted by Seamus:

Swing with the silver one, fire damage.

Swing with the gold one, poison proc chance.

Same ♥♥♥♥.

How do you control which dagger to swing? :D You always end up swinging both, therefore.... unless you have a super secret way to ensure only fire will land, or only poison.

Speaking of which.... do you use wyvern strife for Namielle or Fatty db? :D

[Xenos]

Originally posted by Lord Gwyn:

Originally posted by Xenos:

I only have the wiki to go off of, so what makes the Kjarrs the best elemental DBs? Based on the wiki alone they actually look kinda bad. 100 less physical, 100 less elemental, max blue sharpness. What makes them good?

You can upgrade them to MR they will have white Sharp and built in crit ele.

That would make sense then, it's hard to find info on how Kulve and her weapons work. But from what I know it seems to involve a LOT of RNG and grind, which is something I am strictly uninterested in. While I do like this game a lot, I'm definitely putting it down once I've hunted every monster, and I'm not particularly interested in peak meta, just "Hey, what's good?".

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Crystal G:

Interesting info! I didn't know that the value remains the same.

So one dagger does 33 blast, another 33 ice? That's kinda OP.

I was always under the (false) impression that 1 hand will do half the value.

You're only doing any given damage type on every other hit. How the hell is that overpowered?

They suck.

How do you control which dagger to swing? :D You always end up swinging both, therefore.... unless you have a super secret way to ensure only fire will land, or only poison.

Speaking of which.... do you use wyvern strife for Namielle or Fatty db? :D

You don't control which you swing. Which is the problem. An attack that swings the right weapon twice and the left weapon once ends up doing different damage than one that swings right once and left twice.

And since statuses are chance on hit anyway, cutting the number of times you get a chance to apply said status makes it not remotely worth it.

Seriously, throw the dual element stuff in the dumpster and bring the right element to the fight.