2nd augment for switch axe?

[Wild Marshmallow]

- What 2nd augment would you recommend for the switch axe?

- Elderseal jewel or dragon jewel, which one will increase overall damage more?

I already have a health augment. Trying to maximize damage so the zero sum discharge spam does more damage per tick. Which augment would increase damage more? Attack? Element (dragon)? I'm using the Alatreon switch axe.

I almost killed Fatty for the 1st time solo, he was almost dead but I ran out of time. What a p****.

[mewlynx]

If your weapon needs it, affinity, otherwise I do attack. Elderseal doesn't impact your damage at all, so dragon would be best assuming the weapon does dragon damage to begin with and the monster is a little dragon weak.

Also, keep in mind you have one free augment point if you augment for affinity, so you could do an element augment or defense one.

[Wild Marshmallow]

引用自 JPM岩 de los Muertos：

1. Attack Augment. Affinity Augment wont do much if youre spamming ZSD (which by the way is actually a loss of DPS in most cases), and its easy to get a mixed set that hits over 100% affinity.
2. Neither. Attack boost, and other meta DPS skills.
For Fatalis, spamming ZSD isnt the best method. When his head is low, power axe will break parts easier, as ZSD has a negative partbreaking value.

That's why many Youtubers recommend the method lol but I guess you must think you know more than them. Who cares. It's not about max DEEPS dude, this is not no brain Fortnite pew pew pew. A game is about FUN and CHALLENGE. Good luck doing more DPS when you get killed and are dead lol.

People like you think they know everything. I've seen another elitist sweaty tryhard like you at MR 500 faint multiple times and fail the quest against arch tempered Nergi. Maybe he is you lol. Enough said. I soloed him at MR 50. It's about skill, not about MR and your elitist mindset.

引用自 JPM岩 de los Muertos：

The point of late game MH fights is to challenge the player. Historically, it has ALWAYS been significantly harder fights. 3rd Gen brought invasions and Super monsters. 4th Gen brought Apex 140s, Hypers, and Super Deviants. MHW and IB are no different with ATs and the significant difficulty curve with monsters like Furious Jang, Raging Brachy, Alatreon, and Fatalis. You dont have fun? Then dont do it, youre not being forced. But there a TON of players who find challenging fights fun. I personally want MH6 to have significantly harder fights, and bring Frontier monsters into the main series, as well as the craziness of Frontier fights. I want Toatetsukoa to freeze people solid. I want Garuba Daora to bright hell lightning down. I want White Fatalis to vaporize players.

Lol just because you're a diehard MHW fanboy, doesn't mean the developers are Godlike, perfect, don't make mistakes and bad design doesn't exist. I like a challenge, you don't seem to understand the difference between a fair challenge and bad design.

You can talk dishonest babble all you want on a forum but in the game, when your (bad) luck dictates Fatalis does a combo that knocks you down and then he does the cone firebreath attack with you in the middle, you're dead. It's impossible to get out of it in time. This is proof Fatalis is not about skill, it's about luck to not get too many bs bad designed combos. Not to mention if you're on a team of 4, your team mates will also faint to those combos which will make your quest fail. I know this happened to you many times but you like to pretend it didn't.

[Wild Marshmallow]

引用自 maelynx：

If your weapon needs it, affinity, otherwise I do attack. Elderseal doesn't impact your damage at all, so dragon would be best assuming the weapon does dragon damage to begin with and the monster is a little dragon weak.

Also, keep in mind you have one free augment point if you augment for affinity, so you could do an element augment or defense one.

Are you talking about rarity 11 weapons that have max 7 slots? I was talking about a rarity 12 weapon, after the extra slots augments, it has 6 max slots, which only allows 2 augments:

- 3 slots for health augment
- 3 slots for attack or affinity augment

[Wild Marshmallow]

引用自 Dahlia Hawthorne：

I think you need to learn the fight more instead of worrying about the ZSD damage, if you ran out of time you probably were not hitting fatalis for a long period of time during the fight. Just keep fighting him

also, tool specialist is the thing that increases ZSD damage in the long run, if you know what I mean

I'm not sure if you read my previous comment where I said I finally soloed Fatalis using the ZSD method lol. That means it worked.

You can tell that to the many Youtubers who suggest the ZSD method to beat Fatalis. What do you call ZSD? That's called fighting as well and if you know how to play switch axe, you know that's not the only attack I did, I had to do more attacks, which, guess what, are also "fighting more" lol basically i kept the whole fight FIGHTING him or I would never have defeated him like I did.

You know what else is considered fighting him? The cannons I shot at him in the start, the roaming ballista I used on him a few times, the dragonator and the ballistas.

Of course I was using max tool specialist, I tried to maximize every aspect of the build.

ZSD is an effective method against bad designed Fatalis for many reasons. While you do ZSD, you're getting a lot of healing, which will help you survive better. If you're on the ground, there's a much higher chance you'll get caught by one of his combos that will 1 or 2 shot you and then you see "QUEST FAILED".

[JebKerman]

引用自 Wild Marshmallow：

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- 3 slots for attack or affinity augment

1 Affinity Augment only takes 2 slots, so you'd have 1 spare slot after 1 Health + 1 Affinity on a Rarity 12.

[Wild Marshmallow]

引用自 JebKerman：

引用自 Wild Marshmallow：

...
- 3 slots for attack or affinity augment

1 Affinity Augment only takes 2 slots, so you'd have 1 spare slot after 1 Health + 1 Affinity on Rarity 12s

In case of affinity augment, you're right, I was thinking about the attack augment which takes 3 slots.

[JPM岩]

引用自 Wild Marshmallow：

引用自 JPM岩 de los Muertos：

1. Attack Augment. Affinity Augment wont do much if youre spamming ZSD (which by the way is actually a loss of DPS in most cases), and its easy to get a mixed set that hits over 100% affinity.
2. Neither. Attack boost, and other meta DPS skills.
For Fatalis, spamming ZSD isnt the best method. When his head is low, power axe will break parts easier, as ZSD has a negative partbreaking value.

That's why many Youtubers recommend the method lol but I guess you must think you know more than them. Who cares. It's not about max DEEPS dude, this is not no brain Fortnite pew pew pew. A game is about FUN and CHALLENGE. Good luck doing more DPS when you get killed and are dead lol.

People like you think they know everything. I've seen another elitist sweaty tryhard like you at MR 500 faint multiple times and fail the quest against arch tempered Nergi. Maybe he is you lol. Enough said. I soloed him at MR 50. It's about skill, not about MR and your elitist mindset.

引用自 JPM岩 de los Muertos：

The point of late game MH fights is to challenge the player. Historically, it has ALWAYS been significantly harder fights. 3rd Gen brought invasions and Super monsters. 4th Gen brought Apex 140s, Hypers, and Super Deviants. MHW and IB are no different with ATs and the significant difficulty curve with monsters like Furious Jang, Raging Brachy, Alatreon, and Fatalis. You dont have fun? Then dont do it, youre not being forced. But there a TON of players who find challenging fights fun. I personally want MH6 to have significantly harder fights, and bring Frontier monsters into the main series, as well as the craziness of Frontier fights. I want Toatetsukoa to freeze people solid. I want Garuba Daora to bright hell lightning down. I want White Fatalis to vaporize players.

Lol just because you're a diehard MHW fanboy, doesn't mean the developers are Godlike, perfect, don't make mistakes and bad design doesn't exist. I like a challenge, you don't seem to understand the difference between a fair challenge and bad design.

You can talk dishonest babble all you want on a forum but in the game, when your (bad) luck dictates Fatalis does a combo that knocks you down and then he does the cone firebreath attack with you in the middle, you're dead. It's impossible to get out of it in time. This is proof Fatalis is not about skill, it's about luck to not get too many bs bad designed combos. Not to mention if you're on a team of 4, your team mates will also faint to those combos which will make your quest fail. I know this happened to you many times but you like to pretend it didn't.

Sounds like someone wants to blame the game instead of their lack of skill. Hate randos? Dont hunt with randos. It's p simple.

引用自 Wild Marshmallow：

引用自 Dahlia Hawthorne：

I think you need to learn the fight more instead of worrying about the ZSD damage, if you ran out of time you probably were not hitting fatalis for a long period of time during the fight. Just keep fighting him

also, tool specialist is the thing that increases ZSD damage in the long run, if you know what I mean

I'm not sure if you read my previous comment where I said I finally soloed Fatalis using the ZSD method lol. That means it worked.

You can tell that to the many Youtubers who suggest the ZSD method to beat Fatalis. What do you call ZSD? That's called fighting as well and if you know how to play switch axe, you know that's not the only attack I did, I had to do more attacks, which, guess what, are also "fighting more" lol basically i kept the whole fight FIGHTING him or I would never have defeated him like I did.

You know what else is considered fighting him? The cannons I shot at him in the start, the roaming ballista I used on him a few times, the dragonator and the ballistas.

Of course I was using max tool specialist, I tried to maximize every aspect of the build.

ZSD is an effective method against bad designed Fatalis for many reasons. While you do ZSD, you're getting a lot of healing, which will help you survive better. If you're on the ground, there's a much higher chance you'll get caught by one of his combos that will 1 or 2 shot you and then you see "QUEST FAILED".

Funnily enough, ZSD is actually p bad for getting the headbreak due to ZSD having negative part breaker values, youll only get the headbreak pre-phase 3 if the entire team solely focuses the head. If not, Power Axe will shatter the head like an egg.

[Faust Wither]

引用自 JPM岩 de los Muertos：

引用自 Wild Marshmallow：

I'm not sure if you read my previous comment where I said I finally soloed Fatalis using the ZSD method lol. That means it worked.

You can tell that to the many Youtubers who suggest the ZSD method to beat Fatalis. What do you call ZSD? That's called fighting as well and if you know how to play switch axe, you know that's not the only attack I did, I had to do more attacks, which, guess what, are also "fighting more" lol basically i kept the whole fight FIGHTING him or I would never have defeated him like I did.

You know what else is considered fighting him? The cannons I shot at him in the start, the roaming ballista I used on him a few times, the dragonator and the ballistas.

Of course I was using max tool specialist, I tried to maximize every aspect of the build.

ZSD is an effective method against bad designed Fatalis for many reasons. While you do ZSD, you're getting a lot of healing, which will help you survive better. If you're on the ground, there's a much higher chance you'll get caught by one of his combos that will 1 or 2 shot you and then you see "QUEST FAILED".

Funnily enough, ZSD is actually p bad for getting the headbreak due to ZSD having negative part breaker values, youll only get the headbreak pre-phase 3 if the entire team solely focuses the head. If not, Power Axe will shatter the head like an egg.

yep ZSD doesn't do really good part damage, it just helping focus on head while dealing damage and healing, thats all, thats why i'm avoiding using power longer now and more focus on switching combo.

[JPM岩]

引用自 Faust Wither：

引用自 JPM岩 de los Muertos：

Funnily enough, ZSD is actually p bad for getting the headbreak due to ZSD having negative part breaker values, youll only get the headbreak pre-phase 3 if the entire team solely focuses the head. If not, Power Axe will shatter the head like an egg.

yep ZSD doesn't do really good part damage, it just helping focus on head while dealing damage and healing, thats all, thats why i'm avoiding using power longer now and more focus on switching combo.

No, Power Prolonger is still an almost must have for SA, due to Amped and Power Axe both giving significant boosts, and Power Pro boosts both of their uptime by 50%. Alatreon a gloves are god tier for SA.

[Dagný]

引用自 Wild Marshmallow：

引用自 Dahlia Hawthorne：

I think you need to learn the fight more instead of worrying about the ZSD damage, if you ran out of time you probably were not hitting fatalis for a long period of time during the fight. Just keep fighting him

also, tool specialist is the thing that increases ZSD damage in the long run, if you know what I mean

I'm not sure if you read my previous comment where I said I finally soloed Fatalis using the ZSD method lol. That means it worked.

You can tell that to the many Youtubers who suggest the ZSD method to beat Fatalis. What do you call ZSD? That's called fighting as well and if you know how to play switch axe, you know that's not the only attack I did, I had to do more attacks, which, guess what, are also "fighting more" lol basically i kept the whole fight FIGHTING him or I would never have defeated him like I did.

You know what else is considered fighting him? The cannons I shot at him in the start, the roaming ballista I used on him a few times, the dragonator and the ballistas.

Of course I was using max tool specialist, I tried to maximize every aspect of the build.

ZSD is an effective method against bad designed Fatalis for many reasons. While you do ZSD, you're getting a lot of healing, which will help you survive better. If you're on the ground, there's a much higher chance you'll get caught by one of his combos that will 1 or 2 shot you and then you see "QUEST FAILED".

I got no idea why you made that angry post, everything I said still stands, you almost ran out of time by 15s while using the most ridiculous damage move of the game to the point I question the devs why they allowed this into the game.... it wasn't the augment that made you clear this time, you probably did something better during the fight than previous attempts, which was the entire point of my post btw

IF you keep fighting fatalis and learn the patterns you'll see the ground isn't as dangerous as you think it is now

You keep fighting a monster then you learn its patterns and get better, it's not rocket science, is it? it's the same for every monster.

[Wild Marshmallow]

引用自 Dahlia Hawthorne：

I got no idea why you made that angry post, everything I said still stands, you almost ran out of time by 15s while using the most ridiculous damage move of the game to the point I question the devs why they allowed this into the game.... it wasn't the augment that made you clear this time, you probably did something better during the fight than previous attempts, which was the entire point of my post btw

IF you keep fighting fatalis and learn the patterns you'll see the ground isn't as dangerous as you think it is now

You keep fighting a monster then you learn its patterns and get better, it's not rocket science, is it? it's the same for every monster.

Lol I didn't make an angry post. Just because someone disagreed with you, doesn't mean they are angry. Adults disagree about many subjects in rhe real world, it's natural and healthy.

A twitch streamer told me the first time he cleared Fatalis, he only had 1 second left. So? My point still stands, we FINISHED the mission solo. Did you finish your 1st Fatalis solo????????? here is a question I suspect will remain unanswered lol not convenient for your narrative, is it?

Do you bring your arguments to the many youtubers who recommend ZSD as an effective method against Fatalis? Because it is indeed effective, that's a fact you can't deny.

You say ZSD is the the most ridiculous damage move? Lol. It's clear you don't like ZSD, why, I don't know. It's an intended game mechanic, like any other, why not use it? Has many advantages.

I don't know why you would question ZSD, I see no problem with it.

I learned his patterns, don't you worry about what I learned or didn't learn, worry about what YOU LEARNED yes because you don't know everything. Everyone has something to learn.

It's not the same for every monster. Fatalis suffers from bad design, other monsters not so much. Your beloved devs are not perfect and are not Gods who make no mistakes, you know? They are just human beings like us.

I can bet Fatalis knocked you down before causing you to have a slow animation to get up. I'm sure your health wasn't full by then. If he then does the firebreath cone attack and you're in the middle of it getting up, your controls don't respond, you can't do anything, YOU WILL FAINT. You have fainted. If he does that and other badly designed combos on you, depends on luck, not on player skill.

I have no problem dying if only it was a fair challenge depending on someone's skill, but it isn't.

[Dagný]

引用自 Wild Marshmallow：

引用自 Dahlia Hawthorne：

I got no idea why you made that angry post, everything I said still stands, you almost ran out of time by 15s while using the most ridiculous damage move of the game to the point I question the devs why they allowed this into the game.... it wasn't the augment that made you clear this time, you probably did something better during the fight than previous attempts, which was the entire point of my post btw

IF you keep fighting fatalis and learn the patterns you'll see the ground isn't as dangerous as you think it is now

You keep fighting a monster then you learn its patterns and get better, it's not rocket science, is it? it's the same for every monster.

Lol I didn't make an angry post. Just because someone disagreed with you, doesn't mean they are angry. Adults disagree about many subjects in rhe real world, it's natural and healthy.

A twitch streamer told me the first time he cleared Fatalis, he only had 1 second left. So? My point still stands, we FINISHED the mission solo. Did you finish your 1st Fatalis solo????????? here is a question I suspect will remain unanswered lol not convenient for your narrative, is it?

Do you bring your arguments to the many youtubers who recommend ZSD as an effective method against Fatalis? Because it is indeed effective, that's a fact you can't deny.

You say ZSD is the the most ridiculous damage move? Lol. It's clear you don't like ZSD, why, I don't know. It's an intended game mechanic, like any other, why not use it? Has many advantages.

I don't know why you would question ZSD, I see no problem with it.

I learned his patterns, don't you worry about what I learned or didn't learn, worry about what YOU LEARNED yes because you don't know everything. Everyone has something to learn.

It's not the same for every monster. Fatalis suffers from bad design, other monsters not so much. Your beloved devs are not perfect and are not Gods who make no mistakes, you know? They are just human beings like us.

I can bet Fatalis knocked you down before causing you to have a slow animation to get up. I'm sure your health wasn't full by then. If he then does the firebreath cone attack and you're in the middle of it getting up, your controls don't respond, you can't do anything, YOU WILL FAINT. You have fainted. If he does that and other badly designed combos on you, depends on luck, not on player skill.

I have no problem dying if only it was a fair challenge depending on someone's skill, but it isn't.

LOL

[Faust Wither]

引用自 JPM岩 de los Muertos：

引用自 Faust Wither：

yep ZSD doesn't do really good part damage, it just helping focus on head while dealing damage and healing, thats all, thats why i'm avoiding using power longer now and more focus on switching combo.

No, Power Prolonger is still an almost must have for SA, due to Amped and Power Axe both giving significant boosts, and Power Pro boosts both of their uptime by 50%. Alatreon a gloves are god tier for SA.

i rather go peak performance instead, because it easy charging it to amped tho. however if you need specific armor on that build and it has power prolong on it, maybe i consider like using alatreon.