Why Behemoth is not a fun fight like Safi?

[Henrique87]

As I'm still progressing through the game, i like to play solo and on my own pace, just killed the Ruiner Nergi (waaaayyyy easier than Rag Brach) and started the quest to hunt Safi.

Man, oh man, i though it would be one of those "multiplayer only" monster that has BS mechanics and drags the fight for 30 minutes til you resign for your own sake and sanity. But no, Safi is a hell of a good a fight, just loved it! Even though the event is at the end, I'm glad a could catch up with it, now i have those fancy SA to finish things up later (still missing Guiding Lands monsters, Alatreon and Fatalis).

Still have Special Assignment Behemoth to do, but i have no desire to do so. The Only time i managed to kill Behemoth was while responding a SOS Flare and the dude killed it in 3 minutes (i know it was a hacker...).

[Faust Wither]

because with random thats why.

[Henrique87]

Originally posted by Faust Wither:

because with random thats why.

But Safi is fun with randoms. Behemoth is a pain in the butt in any case.

I did a bunch of Safi runs with completely randoms yesterday and i managed to kill it a few times, even when the fight did not go well, i had a good time.

[Valentine (Lunaticus)]

Well for one the instakill move is more likely to actually kill people. In Safi it's very rare for anyone to be caught in it.

[~KeNnEtH~]

Behemoth is very fun if you can have a team that actually does what is recommended.

Keep in mind that Behemoth is from Final Fantasy and this is a collaboration quest.

You should have noted that the UI or display of your hits are different from usual. This is intentionally paying homage to the actual FF game.

Another key thing is that like FF games, you will want a tank, a healer, CC, damage dealer.

In this case, a tank is usually someone that uses a shield. Lance, Gunlance, HBG were the favourites back then for this quest but I have seen a great LS tank as well with foresight slash.

A healer is someone with Wide Range skill and usually Free Meal, Gobbler and/or Mushroomancer skill. Typically, it is the SnS but technically anyone can do this.

Damage dealers are basically anyone not doing any roles. So they just attack anywhere but the head. Hitting the head (I think 2 times? Can't remember) will cause Behemoth to be aggro to the person who technically becomes the tank. Using a flash pod will disengage the aggro.

No CC unless you count flash pods to stop casting of Charydis (or whatever the wind spell is).

If there is no tank (i.e. no aggro - shown by a red line from Behemoth head to the tank), Behemoth will keep on casting Charydis, making the fight harder by eating up room for running/dodging.

The meteors (or comets? Can't remember but it's the actual rocks that stay in the ground) are the only things that can shield you from the Ecliptic Meteor unless you can perfectly time and do the dragoon jump emote.

So, if you are a solo player, like me, this fight can be a little annoying unless you find a session with people doing it (usually people in those sessions have cleared it or at least attempted it multiple times to know what is happening).

[Stefe]

Lots of little things that make Behemoth a real pain:

- Charybdis. If someone in your group doesn't have enmity, expect the arena to just be filled with tornadoes.
- Comet placement is random and you can accidentally put them in really bad spots.
- Comets can be shattered.
- Ecliptic Meteor can catch your group off guard by all of the above, along with Behemoth even knocking you away from the comet you're hiding behind at the last second.
- The Jump emote's timing is based on your distance from the meteor.

[Faust Wither]

Originally posted by MrStache87:

Originally posted by Faust Wither:

because with random thats why.

But Safi is fun with randoms. Behemoth is a pain in the butt in any case.

I did a bunch of Safi runs with completely randoms yesterday and i managed to kill it a few times, even when the fight did not go well, i had a good time.

fighting safi are straight forward, and it would be a pluss if someone manage to do a good job by destroying any part of it, however if you do behemoth there will be alot of tornado everywhere and the ohko move was probalby wipe your random party, because it required atleast one stun locked like sticky user, or a good tank that always manage pull behemoth enmity and keep comet intact for party to use.

[Popcorn]

Because ppl suck.

I've fought him plenty, joined ppl plenty.

Only time I died was when my radial menu decided "let's go for the FF jump instead of your max potion", in which i switched it to a different position afterwards.

For timing the jump, do it AFTER you flinch, meaning if u got rocksteady on...oops.

I personally enjoy the fight. If you got IB, then it makes aggroing him much easier as you can just clutch his head, attack, and then you get aggro (at least, thars what I've gotten when my younger bro and I did it with LS and GS)

Also, its quite fun seeing ppl who aren't used to behemoth die the most pathetic way.

[Juliane_L]

safi is a good fight.
the probem is that it becomes really boring when all you do is chasing the tail for 15 minutes straight while randoms attack untenderized hindlegs. somehow even worse than kulve when it comes to being repetitive.

[Dan Niton]

Originally posted by MrStache87:

Originally posted by Faust Wither:

because with random thats why.

But Safi is fun with randoms. Behemoth is a pain in the butt in any case.

I did a bunch of Safi runs with completely randoms yesterday and i managed to kill it a few times, even when the fight did not go well, i had a good time.

This is why solo Behemoth is better. Especially at this time with MR gear, behemoth is easier to solo.

[Dextro Custos]

IMO Behemoth is the best fight in the game. You can easily solo it with HR gear without cheesing. You can avoid the tornado by getting aggro (hit the head/face a few times), and to avoid the ecliptic meteor, just hide behind a rock (keep their placement in your head while fighting) or just do the FFXIV jump

[stealthdriver]

Soloing behemoth with HR gear was one of my favorite moments in the game. Love that fight so much.

[Zelph]

Originally posted by Dextro Custos:

IMO Behemoth is the best fight in the game. You can easily solo it with HR gear without cheesing. You can avoid the tornado by getting aggro (hit the head/face a few times), and to avoid the ecliptic meteor, just hide behind a rock (keep their placement in your head while fighting) or just do the FFXIV jump

Easily? Hardly. I'm an above average player and I never did it. Its simply not fun solo since half the fight is running away from the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tornados. Its a fight I never want to go back to simply because its so incredibly not fun.

[mewlynx]

Behemoth becomes infinitely more fun if someone is taking emnity. Safi is similar but you aren't punished by zoning tornado spam and it's much easier to gain emnity compared to Behemoth.

[Inanegrain62]

I find behemoth very annoying to fight against. It may be a fragment of Kushala's annoyance, but that's enough for me to kick it down to "trash fight equal to kushala".

I don't play any FF games except one, and I'd tolerate it better if they left the wind as a damage over time for standing in it. Not an annoying long stun/path blocking due to really unfortunate timing. It's boring, but it's much, much better than a stun that I'm irritated to deal with when it happens.
You can avoid charybidis issues, but this annoyance kicks in when it happens at the worst moment to the point you'd go "Why is this possible" ranging from blocked path and behemoth doing things in the tornado, all of it from a string of misfortune.

I find that wind more "lethal" than a meteor for how it attacks my patience similarly to kush if it's in a horrible spot by misfortune.

Originally posted by ~KeNnEtH~:

Another key thing is that like FF games, you will want a tank, a healer, CC, damage dealer.

just get 4 dps.

[Dagný]

Behemoth is ok, it's a fun fight

Extremoth tho...