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Take Nergigante for instance. Every cutscene that features him throughout World and IB bigs him up like he is some kind of tough guy, yet in gameplay terms he is hilariously weak and doesn't have any particular advantages that would even make him good against other elder dragons. He barely even leaves his crystal bedroom until IB, and I'm guessing that is because Gold and Silver Rath stole it from him.
I don't know if it is even possible in-game for an Elder Dragon to get into a turf war with a non-dragon (besides the one cutscene of Rajang brutalising a Kirin, which frankly looked hilariously stupid), but I'd bet that Savage Deviljho or Stygian Zinogre would give Nergigante a seriously bad time... to say nothing of the Apex monsters from 4U.
If one assumes for just a moment that the cutscenes going on about how dangerous Nergigante is are unreliable, and judge solely by gameplay... he is probably one of the weakest Elder Dragons in the entire series.
Fatalis is a similar case. But in the case of Fatalis it was bigged up initially because Fatalis is from the very earliest games and it made sense to go on and on about how terrifyingly high a threat level he was because "Black Dragon of Calamity" is a JRPG trope and at that time he was literally just that trope incarnate.
Since the series has continued, they've kept Fatalis on a pedestal despite the rest of the monsters in the series getting more interesting, more powerful, etc. And Fatalis is literally just a bog-standard fire-breathing dragon. So they just had to keep pushing up his numbers arbitrarily to keep Fatalis at the top power level. But there is no doubting it is completely forced. Logically speaking, one Fatalis never could have done the things attributed to it and still be beatable by hunters... Not to mention that a monster that is pretty much no more than an armoured flamethrower couldn't feasibly destroy a civilisation no matter how it is bigged up by the lore.
By comparison, a monster with indirect passive effects on its surroundings like Shagaru Magala or Makili Pietru (discussion of Stories canonicity will have to be put aside for now) could probably destroy a civilisation by means of frenzy pandemic... 28 Days Later style. Dalamadur is probably big enough to destroy a civilisation single-handed if it tried, though it would take a while. Safi'jiiva and Shara Ishvalda could probably do it if they weren't pratting about a little island in the middle of nowhere as they have large, noticeable effects on other monsters and the environment.
But as noted, Fatalis is only ZOMFG SUPER STRONK because plot said so. In actuality it hasn't shown any significant destructive abilities besides breathing fire and hitting things with its body... precisely because back when it was made, nobody had even considered there might be a need for more than that. They've just made its body tougher and the fire hotter as the plot demands.
Also, any elemental elder dragon can turf war with Savage Jho (results in a tie).
And about Fatalis just being a regular dragon, there's an element in there I personally like. Up to this point, every monster has very unique aspect about them, but when you get to Fatalis, just having him be the quintessential essence of classic European dragons, there's an element there that sets him apart. However, the impact of that was a little lessened by Safi, who that same principle applies to.
Still, Savajho and Nergi fall into the same basic elemental category of both causing and being weak to dragon damage. Evenly balanced, but probably go down quickly.
Stygian Zinogre would probably have a significant advantage in this case due to causing it but being defensively strong against it... as would something like Valstrax (though obviously the Furriest Rajang would beat both of them due to elemental JKB)
... Speaking of, I can't wait for Monster Hunter Stories 2 to come out. Nothing gauges the ability of monsters to beat each other as well as that does (and as I noted earlier, my Stygian Zinogre in Stories was the only monster that I could consistently beat Fatalis with, assuming I avoided every Rajang along the way to fight it).
Why disregard lore? You can have monster strong in lore and have them not be as strong as in fights. Mountain Lions were said by Native Americans to be one of the strongest and most fear animals alive, and now people hunt and eat them.
5 zora magdaros : sheer physical strength in theory and massive defense should be a hard nut to crack even for a crimson fatalis . 4 dalamadur again sheer size and physical strenght with deadly fire strenght on top could potencaly give fatalis quite the struggle. 3 dire miralis a monster again with high defense physical strengh on top it mostly lives in water wich could give fatalis massive struggle since we dont know how fatalis interacts with water thats all . 2 Safi'jiiva was in the official mhw artbook even mentiond to be a rival to fatalis safi is significant slower but can nearly heal any wound very fast and has a greater physical strenght and hard skin . 1 Disufiroa another black dragon monster capable of ice fire and dragon element . A bit larger than fatalis a constant elemental aura for for protection with a natural constant leaking of energy even stronger than an alatreon on blind rampage constantpy shifts the land around it and posesses some what abillitys that affeckt nature its self in a desdructif manner it is very likly to kill a regular or crimson fatalis . A stronger variant of a white fatalis how ever could keep up with a disufiroa . And black fatalis we know basicl nothing about its strengh really that we can compare him to anything all we get in lore is that hes mentioned and thats it
Fatalis is the same deal. His methods and means just aren't that impressive compared to newer elder dragons... but he just had his stats boosted so we can still pretend that a flamethrower tank is more dangerous than large-scale walking bioweapons.
It gave me an opportunity to reply to a post I never even noticed the first time.... so no complaints from me.
Fatalis is incredibly impressive in IB. People smarter than I have done breakdowns[forums.spacebattles.com] of some of the thermodynamic shenanigannery it gets up to and the result is that even lowballing it Fatalis pukes out fire on a scale of hundreds of gigajoules per nova. You need to reach into nuclear weaponry to find yields exceeding, or really even comparable, to what it's doing.
Yeah, it's not super original in its methods, but Fatalis is absolutely more dangerous than large-scale walking bioweapons.
Anything short of an elder dragon would likely just burn, barring monsters that LIVE in fire and have absolute immunity to fire. And even then Fatalis hits like a semi, so even those monsters would just be clawed/bitten/body slammed to death.
Alatreon... on a VERY good day, maybe.
Kirin is too vulnerable to fire.
Namielle probably can't take the beating.
Deviljho would end up burning, and...
And...
Are there ANY other elder dragons that even come close to Fatalis' level of unstoppable brute strength, ability to move/maneuver, and level of firepower?! (Pun intended.)
Safi'Jiiva is the ultimate creature that's learned to exploit the nature of the Monster Hunter world to its advantage, by absorbing and redirecting the lifestream power to its own ends.
Fatalis is a monster that's just horrifyingly strong on its own, with a mastery of fire and brute strength that's borderline unparalleled.
Fatalis would likely win, because he's just MEANER, in my opinion.
But then again, all the other monsters tend to avoid Fatalis/Schrade like the plague.
You're just wrong, the developers said in the Guidebook lore that Safi is desgined to be equal/counterpart/rival of Fatalis.
Safi is not weaker than Fatalis, and can also get infinitely stronger.
It's not because Safi is not black that she's weaker, and devs let it very clear.
Also, YES, SAFI IS A FIRST CLASS THREAT! Have at least honour to edit your post and ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!
"Safi'jiiva is designed as the equal/counterpart/rival of Fatalis. They wanted to make another Siege fight where you could cooperate with other players, and came up with the idea of depleting energy levels. In terms of design, they wanted to make an equal of Fatalis, while also giving the surprise that "this is what Xeno'jiiva will look like as an adult!". When they design monsters that look really strong, they tend to end up black-colored, so they made Safi'jiiva red instead to change things up. They wanted it to look like a simple dragon rather than a very original creature design."
https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003395983
Safi is also weaker than Fatalis, lorewise, NOTHING is stronger than Fatalis, other than hunters. Even massive monsters like Raviente and Lao shen Lung flee from it, because it's that strong. Maybe Dire Miralis could go toe to toe, but Dire is practically braindead.
Also, I will not edit my post, because no where is it confirmed that Safi is a First Class Wyvern, they havent even used that term in 5th Gen. Even the wiki states that it's presumed, but there's nothing that confirms it.