What Monster has a chance against Fatalis?

[Walrus-Sama]

Now I know Fatalis is the strongest monster and all other monsters fear it, but with that being said, if they had to what monster could fight Fatalis canonically and have a decent chance of winning (if any)? (Excluding Fatalis itself and other Fatalis variants)

[RC-1138 Boss]

White Fatalis, maybe Dire Maralis, possibly Narkarkos..

[Mander]

Originally posted by Numeriku:

"What Monster has a chance against Fatalis?"

You, the Hunter, as you're the monster in Fatalis' eyes.

You may be closer to the truth than you may think.
Lorewise, Fatalis can be considered "artificial", because every Fatalis is a hunter who got turned into a Fatalis while donning its armour. The cycle goes all the way back to (probably) White Fatalis.
Which begs the question, who “created” the first Fatalis? Imo, but it’s just head canon, the ancient civilization used elder dragons’ blood and flesh to hybridize baseline humans and elder dragons, maybe for the hubris of creating the perfect soldier, or just a better weapon to fight elders. A side project of the equivalent dragon weapon, perhaps? Or the next step of the research?
Said research went spectacularly well, and for a while the new troops where paladins and stalwarts’ defenders of the ancient civilization… until it stopped working. Maybe a new batch of soldiers went poorly, or the most decorated veterans among them did a heel face turn… or maybe a battle took out too much of him/her.
Long story short, the power of his/her draconic self went out of control turning him/her into the first Fatalis. Which destroyed castle Schrade and paved the way for the downfall of the ancient civilization.
Fast forward to today, and we have hunters with superhuman abilities able to withstand blunt force trauma who should turn them to a red messy paste, or ignoring fall damage completely.
Now, maybe that’s because of game mechanics… or maybe we hunters are the descendent of the ancient civilization’s hybrid troops.
In a sense, we are monsters too. Monsters in human disguise, monsters who hunt other monsters and keep on hunting without rest: it’s in our blood, after all.

[Dagný]

Fire active alatreon

EJ would take care of fatty

[Mander]

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

Now I know Fatalis is the strongest monster and all other monsters fear it, but with that being said, if they had to what monster could fight Fatalis canonically and have a decent chance of winning (if any)? (Excluding Fatalis itself and other Fatalis variants)

Maybe Laviente. But it's a big maybe, and I think it has a chance only because of how big it is.
Laviente is big enough to coil around Fatalis and crush him, and has good firepower to bear on him...
With a sneak attack and coiling around Fatalis immediatly, as to avoid its fireballs, I think Laviente could do it. In a straight fight though, I think it will lose.

[DLOZanma]

Originally posted by Chippawaffen:

would be kinda cool if people could mod is like fallout/dark souls and do death battle between monsters.

Look up 갸르쏭 or MonsterSlayerSquad's, they do just that. Though there's no way to keep them active without a hunter, unfortunately.

[JPM岩]

Crimson and White Fatalis are the only ones able to 1 v 1 Fatalis. Maybe Dire Miralis.

[Drakzen]

Your palico after it has eaten a large meal

[Toasty]

Just check YT and watch safi vs alatreon...alatreon killed safi like no problem. 1 Alatreon can even beat 2 at once, so yeah...if alatreon was running away because of fatalis, safi wouldnt stand a chance...thats for sure. I think that the only monster, that can realisticly beat fatalis would be other forms of its own (crimson, white fatalis) or the dalamadur species or maybe...and just maybe amatsu magatsuchi. If we take frontier into consideration then there is also merphistophelin.

[ressenmacher]

Originally posted by Toasty92:

Just check YT and watch safi vs alatreon...alatreon killed safi like no problem. 1 Alatreon can even beat 2 at once, so yeah...if alatreon was running away because of fatalis, safi wouldnt stand a chance...thats for sure. I think that the only monster, that can realisticly beat fatalis would be other forms of its own (crimson, white fatalis) or the dalamadur species or maybe...and just maybe amatsu magatsuchi. If we take frontier into consideration then there is also merphistophelin.

I think it's a bit falacious to argue that Alatreon would beat Safi because the video game mechanic dictating how they do damage to the player (and which was never intended in either case to be applied to another monster) has Ala beating Safi when they're hacked in and forced to attack each other. I think that, in arguments like this, we're more concerned with what can be calculated based on the physical effects the creatures have: fatalis's claws would inflict wounds based on the speed at which he swings them, the weight of the arm and body they're attached to, and how hard/sharp/long they are, and not whatever the game's arbitrary player character damage system says they would, for example.

[Venix]

Originally posted by Ortaign:

Not any elder dragons, that's for sure.

Safi would put up a good fight, but would ultimately lose.

Shara is more intelligent but lacks strength.

Dalamadur would probably swallow him and that would be extremely painful for Dala.

Gogmazios is in the same situation as Safi.

Ahtal-Kha may have a mech but I don't think It would last long.

Pretty much you get the picture, upon Fatalis' awakening even elder dragons go into hiding as said in dialogue. Apparently Alatreon appearing in the secluded valley wasn't because of Jiiva's lure, but because It was running away from Fatalis, I guess It knew of his awakening long before any other creature

What about Shagaru Magala going all Michael Bay everywhere when angry?

[dinovart]

Originally posted by Mander:

Originally posted by Numeriku:

"What Monster has a chance against Fatalis?"

You, the Hunter, as you're the monster in Fatalis' eyes.

You may be closer to the truth than you may think.
Lorewise, Fatalis can be considered "artificial", because every Fatalis is a hunter who got turned into a Fatalis while donning its armour. The cycle goes all the way back to (probably) White Fatalis.
Which begs the question, who “created” the first Fatalis? Imo, but it’s just head canon, the ancient civilization used elder dragons’ blood and flesh to hybridize baseline humans and elder dragons, maybe for the hubris of creating the perfect soldier, or just a better weapon to fight elders. A side project of the equivalent dragon weapon, perhaps? Or the next step of the research?
Said research went spectacularly well, and for a while the new troops where paladins and stalwarts’ defenders of the ancient civilization… until it stopped working. Maybe a new batch of soldiers went poorly, or the most decorated veterans among them did a heel face turn… or maybe a battle took out too much of him/her.
Long story short, the power of his/her draconic self went out of control turning him/her into the first Fatalis. Which destroyed castle Schrade and paved the way for the downfall of the ancient civilization.
Fast forward to today, and we have hunters with superhuman abilities able to withstand blunt force trauma who should turn them to a red messy paste, or ignoring fall damage completely.
Now, maybe that’s because of game mechanics… or maybe we hunters are the descendent of the ancient civilization’s hybrid troops.
In a sense, we are monsters too. Monsters in human disguise, monsters who hunt other monsters and keep on hunting without rest: it’s in our blood, after all.

So, Fatalis if basically fallen Arisen from "Dragon`s dogma", like Grogori (giant red dragon, nearly immortal vs most of traditional weaponry)? And Arisens-gods in heaven-like dimension with throne could be genetically enhanced people from the same civilization that brought humans and some dragons on monster hunter "Mesozoic" planet? I never found that piece of lore, however. Only old pictures of cyborg-dragons (very similar to Fatalis`s body shape) who served via brain control devices (helmets with ERP chips) to people - pilots of UFOs, who built giant castles and pyramids (now jungles/volcanoes with ruins).

[Ghost Bear]

I'll try to go on a case by case of the most likely contenders and how they will hold out:

Safi'jiiva: It is implied in the game, though not stated that he is fleeing from Fatalis. He is absorbing energy from the environment so it could be that he is not strong enough YET, but given time he could be a potential rival maybe? Just speculation but the most likely answer is no.

Alatreon: It is implied that he is also fleeing and perhaps even beaten to near death by Fatalis as we fight a super weak version of him who was possibly defeated and wounded by Fatalis.

Dire Miralis: Now this is a contender that COULD PERHAPS challenge Fatalis, as he may even be a sub-species of Fatalis. Heaven and Earth may be Fatalis's but the Seas belong to Dire Miralis.

Nakarkos: Not a chance, they fear Adult Caedeus.

Nergigante (Ruiner or otherwise): the spikey boy is strong, but he is out of his element here, he is the strongest of the "regular" Elder Dragons but is outmatched by the bigger ones and Elder Dragons. Could even make arguments about Nergigante being "truly stronger" than the likes of Teostra and Kushala. Most Elder Dragons come to the New World to die, so he is exhibiting typical predatory behavior of going for the old and weak. (Not that, it makes him any less awesome, he is just behaving like you would expect an animal to do.)

Shagaru Magala: My favorite monster in the series, but he is also out of his element, he would be a good match for Ruiner Nergi as these are both "brute" type Elder Dragons that love to go physical.

Dalamadur: His sheer size might make him a plausible match. In my opinion it COULD be an even fight, however size alone is no guarantee (all monsters get taken down by a puny human :3) so until more evidence is shown supporting his strength or lack of than we already have I'll just call it an even fight for now.

Another Fatalis!: Yes this already abominable monsters can get even stronger! Crimson and White Fatalis are certainly more than a match.

These are just my opinions, remember thatn MH canon is left intentionally vague so that your head cannon is always right, so if in your eyes Kulu-Ya-Ku has a Super Saiyan transformation that allows him to take down Fatalis you wouldn't be wrong! But its always more fun trying to work within the limited boundries of canon that we know

[TimeStrider~(Lethal)]

what about dire miralis

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by OmniCore:

what about dire miralis

One hell of a necro. Well, Dire Miralis could, I guess, but Dire Miralis arent exactly that smart, whereas Fatalis are rather smart.

[Veritas]

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